Which staff

Syiccal · March 2019

Willpower - buff all skills
Master staff 1 skill but makes it alot better
what's the opinion please

Defilted · March 2019

Would this not depend on your build and play style?

Janoy · March 2019

If you have access to a master’s inferno, and your build calls for it, definitely use that over willpower (as long as destro reach/clench is your spammable). If you don’t have one, willpower is a decent replacement.

Syiccal · March 2019

Yea kl thought as much. Currently using shock glyph but considering disease what's your thoughts

DTStormfox · March 2019

I would go for the buff to all abilities with Willpower.

Minalan · March 2019

Whats all this with willpower?

I would wear a monster set, five piece set body, and three jewelry with a destro staff front bar for another five piece offensive set.

Pick something good for offense, like spinner or spell strat for damage. You don't need a master staff to succeed.

Use a fire staff for the 8 percent destro staff bonus damage that applies to every single target attack skill on that bar.

Spell strat with major sorcery will add 1000 (holy sh**!!!) spell damage to your damage on whatever target you mark with a light attack. You're weaving light attacks anyway, so you won't even notice the set activation. Just keep up the weave. (Light, curse, light, frag, light, pulse, light, reach, light, frag, etc)

Kartalin · March 2019

@Minalan I think OP is on board with what you’re saying. Their question is what weapon to run on the other bar if the second set (whether it’s Spinners, Spell strat, Transmutation, Lich, etc) only needs to be run on one bar.
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Iskiab · March 2019

Kartalin wrote: »

@Minalan I think OP is on board with what you’re saying. Their question is what weapon to run on the other bar if the second set (whether it’s Spinners, Spell strat, Transmutation, Lich, etc) only needs to be run on one bar.
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I understand lich, spell strat I understand even though the uptime suffers, but transmutation won’t work well unless you’re a templar using ritual on the transmutation 5 piece. Why would you break the 5 piece in spinners?

Kartalin · March 2019

Spinners works well if you're putting most/all of your damage on one bar and putting buffs/heals on another. Magplars and magnbs are a primary class for this approach with transmutation but I think all magicka classes can create a setup that would work with spinners on a single bar.

Minalan · March 2019

Kartalin wrote: »

@Minalan I think OP is on board with what you’re saying. Their question is what weapon to run on the other bar if the second set (whether it’s Spinners, Spell strat, Transmutation, Lich, etc) only needs to be run on one bar.
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Back bar is another story, pick something that grants a two piece that you can actually use.

Willpower grants 1500 magicka, but that's gone as soon as you swap bars and most of the time you're already health capped on shields so it doesn't make them any larger (if you're not capped, fix that with like 8 points into bastion CP, it's cheap). Also, you usually don't have a lot of offensive skills back bar that will benefit from that extra damage.

I'm running a two piece back bar with stamina Regen and defending trait. Not a popular choice, but I really need the extra stamina because I'm not an altmer. Back bar is where I travel, streak, dark deal, block, and shield.

Go sword and board for even more armor defense back bar if you don't use a resto staff. It works wonderfully for matriarch sorcs, and it makes you a LOT harder to outright gank.

Kartalin · March 2019

@Minalan Definitely, any 2 piece can work, whether it’s an arena staff or some other set. I tend to think about it from a magplar point of view where Spinners flame staff on front bar buffs my damage and willpower resto back bar — whether I always have the extra magicka or not — would buff my heals. I can see you’re approaching it as a magsorc where your point of view is different but that’s perfectly fine. I think to more clearly elucidate my point, it’s possible to use certain 5 piece sets active on only one bar with 2 piece weapons of any other set on the other bar.

Kartalin · March 2019

Continuing, OP: it might be helpful to mention what class you are using and what 5 piece sets you’re using.

Syiccal · March 2019

Yea my bad, I'm a magplar currently using
5 BTB
5 steadfast hero
1 domi
1 shadowrend
1 lightning master staff

idk · March 2019

You can have willpower on front bar and vMA on back bar. Ofc, WoE will be on back bar with the vMA.

We tend to only use vMA on back bar.

Checkmath · March 2019

Syiccal wrote: »

Yea my bad, I'm a magplar currently using
5 BTB
5 steadfast hero
1 domi
1 shadowrend
1 lightning master staff

So generally OP wants the best staff for his setup, where steadfast hero is backbarred, leaving the frontbar weapon slot free for anything.

Willpower is easy to get and would buff all your damage and healing abilities on frontbar.

Masterstaff only buffs your clench skill, which helps out for bursting the enemy with a hard hitting stun followed by jabs.

The third option, which also is probably hardest to get, would be a perfected blackrose prison staff. You would only use it for the additional penetration, not for the buffed impulse skill naturally. The amount of penetration probably would be the strongest "buff" to all of your offensive abilities. So similar to willpower staff, just better (excluded is healing tough).

fred4 · March 2019

On a Sweeps-based magplar, who only uses Clench / Reach for CC / DOT, I'd lean towards a Willpower staff, especially if you're slotting Inner Light over using Vampire's Bane. I guess the alternative would be a vMA resto back bar, which I love on templar. That would mean a Steadfast Hero front bar and Extended Ritual on the front bar. Might not suit you, but just a thought. The sustain from the vMA resto might allow you to run another spell damage glyph, if not 3 already, or switch from, say, the Atro mundus to the Steed or a damage-focused mundus. I personally like the Steed / Citrus Fillet / vMA resto combination, since more healing over time makes it easier to stay on attack and the speed makes it a bit easier to keep people in your Sweeps.

Sometimes there are other reasons to use Willpower, even when you have Master / vMA weapons available. For example I use a Willpower resto on my magblade, because I have Dampen Magic on that bar and I don't like the vMA resto on a cloaking magblade. If I had a Blackrose resto, I might use that, though.

Syiccal · March 2019

fred4 wrote: »

On a Sweeps-based magplar, who only uses Clench / Reach for CC / DOT, I'd lean towards a Willpower staff, especially if you're slotting Inner Light over using Vampire's Bane. I guess the alternative would be a vMA resto back bar, which I love on templar. That would mean a Steadfast Hero front bar and Extended Ritual on the front bar. Might not suit you, but just a thought. The sustain from the vMA resto might allow you to run another spell damage glyph, if not 3 already, or switch from, say, the Atro mundus to the Steed or a damage-focused mundus. I personally like the Steed / Citrus Fillet / vMA resto combination, since more healing over time makes it easier to stay on attack and the speed makes it a bit easier to keep people in your Sweeps.

Sometimes there are other reasons to use Willpower, even when you have Master / vMA weapons available. For example I use a Willpower resto on my magblade, because I have Dampen Magic on that bar and I don't like the vMA resto on a cloaking magblade. If I had a Blackrose resto, I might use that, though.

But who uses inner light overs vamps bane?

HowlKimchi · March 2019

if you're using sweeps, willpower.
if you aren't, use maelstrom.

Syiccal · March 2019

I would like to mention,i was primarily talking about pvp set ups

HowlKimchi · March 2019

Syiccal wrote: »

I would like to mention,i was primarily talking about pvp set ups

Yep this is the PVP subsection after all

WuffyCerulei · March 2019

I use a perfected AS fire staff as my main spammable is crushing shock. Silly people forget I can interupt them. The normal AS staff works fine too.

Syiccal · March 2019

What would the recommended enchant be on front staff currently, I been away for a while so some advice is apreciated

Kartalin · March 2019

Syiccal wrote: »

What would the recommended enchant be on front staff currently, I been away for a while so some advice is apreciated

A typical approach is using an enchantment that has a chance to proc an additional effect. A shock enchant has the possibility to proc minor vulnerability (+8% damage taken) on your target. A fire enchant can proc the burning status effect (extra fire dot). A disease enchant can proc -10% (or -15?) healing taken (minor defile). If you already have access to those debuffs or are interested in alternatives then other common enchants are absorb magicka or weapon damage (which in spite of its name boosts both your weapon and spell damage).

fred4 · March 2019

I use Inner Light. I might be in the minority, but not the only one. The way I see it, it's one less thing to cast and non-reflectable.

I actually like the magic damage / restore health enchant, because in my view templar lacks healing over time (in PvP, not PvE) and I'm doing everything to make staying on attack more viable, rather than having to purge or end up spamming Honor the Dead. It works for me.

BTW, I don't slot Ritual, just Honor the Dead. If you only want to play the accepted meta, I'm not the guy for you, although I appreciate that people call for the Ritual synergy in larger groups. Paradoxically I like Ritual on my stamplar, where it's my only magicka skill.

Syiccal · March 2019

fred4 wrote: »

I use Inner Light. I might be in the minority, but not the only one. The way I see it, it's one less thing to cast and non-reflectable.

I actually like the magic damage / restore health enchant, because in my view templar lacks healing over time (in PvP, not PvE) and I'm doing everything to make staying on attack more viable, rather than having to purge or end up spamming Honor the Dead. It works for me.

BTW, I don't slot Ritual, just Honor the Dead. If you only want to play the accepted meta, I'm not the guy for you, although I appreciate that people call for the Ritual synergy in larger groups. Paradoxically I like Ritual on my stamplar, where it's my only magicka skill.

To be fair I do get annoyed with the amount of times I use reflective light and it's either reflected back at me or gets dodged, meaning I lose out on the crit bonus any ways.