Cheaters are losers, full stop. I really don't understand why anyone would cheat, what the cheater fails to understand is that the person they are cheating the most is themselves. There is no glory, honour or feeling of conquest and triumph over adversity when you cannot lose. Cheaters are parasitic by nature and exist only for their own existence, they add nothing to their own lives and that of society in general. Cheaters never win.

ZonasArch wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Someone even posted a link to the actual cheat in question LOL... I mean, if ZOS won't act now, it will be a huge shitshow real soon.

Mark my words.

That's the only thing that worries me.

If it turns into a massive **** show, then it will be dealt with.

Here's my thoughts on this:

• If you see someone cheating, report 'em.
• If you see someone spreading cheats around, report 'em.
• The more people that start using a cheat, the faster it will get shut down. Unfortunately, if it's just one person, they've got a much better chance of slipping through the cracks, but if you've got a bunch of ****heads running around using them, that will provide more useful data for ZOS to ID and bullet their asses.
• Finally, cheaters in PvP are a temporary thing. Especially if their preferred method catches on. Depending on your feelings, you may either want to stay out of PvP for a few weeks, or just keep rolling the dice, and reporting them when you see them.

Agreed with everything, I just don't like the idea of things spreading to a point where it gets ugly. I've been in games where it got too ugly too fast. Games that died for it. I've been PC gaming since maybe 96 or 97. Called me jaded maybe, but I like when the devs come out and say "hey, we saw it, *** is bad, we're on it". It's more of a reassuring thing. One or two weeks won't hurt at all, although the forums would be a hilarious poopstorm 24/7.

At this point, I wouldn't worry too much about ESO dying because of cheating in PvP. At launch? Yeah, maybe, given PvP was the original endgame activity. Now, there's a lot of PvE content out there, to keep you entertained. PvP isn't even a bullet point more years than not. And, the PvP community is pretty hardened against this kind of stuff driving them out. If the people derping around with the faction lockout exploit, and the actual CE users aren't enough to kill it right now, it's going to take a lot to really do it in.

Now, if it granted them ability to lock people out of running Trials or the Group Finder, while they wandered into that, and ransomed runs that way? Yeah, that'd do some serious damage. Cheating in PvP at this point in the game's life is just sad.

Wildbloom wrote: »

*sigh*

It was taken down because it exposed someone by name. They'll work on banning the cheater and others who intend to cheat. They never comment on issues like this but they do act. You guys don't need to turn it into a conspiracy theory.

Nope, it wasn't taken down for that reason. There's been other posts of these exact cheats for months (even on the reddit) and they silently delete the threads name or not.

There are two primary reasons you will never see an online game company report much of anything about cheating.

First off if you brag about smashing a cheater or hacker you will just encourage the entire hacking community to hit you...HARD. Think like the "Lifelock" guy on TV a few years back. Bragged his company was so safe yet they easily wrecked his identity time and time again. The same thing happens on the internet. Say your servers are "DDoS Proof" and a Russian kid will happily prove you wrong with his private botnet.

Second is the liability. A player, even a cheating player, is a person. There are a host of laws around how we interact with people as a company to a person. In almost every case the rule is "Say nothing outside of court and even then say nothing but the evidence."


Just so you know ZOS actually does a pretty good job against cheaters and botters btw. It is an impossibility to prevent all cheating and botting. No one with a brain or sanity will ever try. What you DO try to do is close enough doors so it's kept at a minimum. So far you are all complaining about "one guy". One guy out of millions is nothing. Even 1% of a million is nothing.
If an entire guild showed up tomorrow with cheats full on and wrecked the entire AvA map you can bet your bottom dollar ZOS would be over that like a pig at a buffet.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We've seen the videos, and we know about the player. We can't really discuss any more than that, but you can rest assured that...

Maybe the trick to getting hackers banned is to perform the black sacrament!

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We've seen the videos, and we know about the player. We can't really discuss any more than that, but you can rest assured that...

There is a “no naming and shaming” rule on the forums. For ANY GAMES forums for that matter. If you post something on here be sure it doesn’t reveal their identity, or it will get deleted like you said yours did.

I encourage you to use the report function instead of the forums to make sure the footage gets to the right people.