I don't think reaching the resist cap is that easy without a monster set that gives resists. I have fully golded Ebon + Alkosh and I'm a Nord. I can't reach the cap without Lord Warden or full Heavy armor. Since I want to use Stonekeeper, 7-0-0 seems like my only option.

You wanna (as DK anyway; cannot speak for warden or others) shoot for min 32k health *in Ebon & Alkosh* (it will be much more in other sets), and just a touch more stam than mana - so that synergies return stam, and I use the atronach stone for mana regen - as I tank more DLC/4 person than trials; thus I need to chain and talon more, also range taunt etc.

Learn to use balance sensibly. So that even with no healer, you can use balance.

I suggest being a vampire for regen bonus +10%

Perhaps if I tanked trials more, I’d change to health stone and more stam/mana with attribute points. I only ever tanked VAA, VAA HM & VHRC on vet, so I’m not equipped to speak from a trial tank or o/t perspective.

Go and check out Woeler’s site (google woeler tank eso) as he has a lot of good tanking info.

I’m not the best tank ever; but I’ve completed all DLC + HMs and more often than not, with no healer.

MrBumblefoot wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

You wanna (as DK anyway; cannot speak for warden or others) shoot for min 32k health in Ebon Alkosh (it will be much more in other sets), and just a touch more stam than mana - and I use the atronach stone for mana regen - as I tank more DLC/4 person than trials; thus I need to chain and talon more, also range taunt etc. Perhaps if I tanked trials more, I’d change to health stone and more stam/mana with attribute points.

Go and check out Woeler’s site (google woeler tank eso) as he has a lot of good tanking info.

My stats are 20k/35k/22k

I just noticed that Woeler wears an Alkosh Belt. Smart.

;-) woeler is pretty much Go To if you ask me! ♥️

MrBumblefoot wrote: »

I don't think reaching the resist cap is that easy without a monster set that gives resists. I have fully golded Ebon + Alkosh and I'm a Nord. I can't reach the cap without Lord Warden or full Heavy armor. Since I want to use Stonekeeper, 7-0-0 seems like my only option.

Yeah and also depends on sets - but yes - and when I mention resist I mean if you’re using spiked armor, or if it’s a situation where you think you need chudan; like if you need the spiked armor slot for something else, if you’re casting orbs, altar, offbalance, ele drain or whatever. Like when I’m resource/ele giving as tank, then I might wear chudan - but the rest of the time, spiked armor (I use hardened - just because that’s what I chose when I started; a lot of people also use volatile) should be up; so you can use whatever other monster set; such as the new one, etc.

Also: re Alkosh: I don’t have to worry about that as much as a proper trial tank because often and esp with no healer; I’m not gonna get enough syn to keep the time up.

I am just getting into tanking so only advise i can give is keep a staff on hand so u can back bar staff for the ranged interrupt. Sometimes like in cos its a world of differance when pugging.

firedrgn wrote: »

I am just getting into tanking so only advise i can give is keep a staff on hand so u can back bar staff for the ranged interrupt. Sometimes like in cos its a world of differance when pugging.

No; when I tank they can forget that. They can have altar, ele drain, orbs, and offbalance but I personally am not tanking, healing, buffing, ccing and doing ranged interrupt around the boss. I’ll bash where appropriate.

Sorry but that’s not gonna happen - if people want me to do all the jobs, they’re welcome to get a different tank.

I tried 5/1/1 for longest time, but after switching to 7/0/0 I'm keeping it that way. As usually it's just rule of the thumb what you are and aren't comfortable as a tank, but reaching resist cap is really worth it in my opinion because every additional percentage of damage reduction is more and more cost efficient. And like you said, I want option to be able to use Earthgore, Thurvokun etc while being on resist cap with major ward/resolve. Protective jewelery is also really good if you aren't Nord. 7/0/0 also gives you more sustain than 5/1/1 via Constitution passive. After long time tanking I realized that resource sustain is #1 priority for me as rather than max stats pool as it allows me more active playstyle with skill being cast on every global cooldown - much more fun and involved. That's why I'm using Orzorga's Red Frothgar (5000 hp / 469 magregen) food instead of usual 3 stat food. I have 15k/15k resource pools but they are always healthy because of high investment in sustain.

Also, do yourself a favor and try out ice staff for tanking. Not only because of crusher, you can use generic absorb stamina glyph to keep yourself healthy, but because skill line is full of amazing stuff. On 3 dd runs, being able to run ele drain is really good as it helps yourself and your group, plus it's free skill to use not wasting any of your resources and using global cooldowns more efficiently. Blockade is amazing as trash pull initiator as it will hit multiple enemies and keep them in with its 60% slow as you are chaining them and grouping them. Also crusher if you want. Both Impulse and shock clench do have some uses in more advanced strategies of some DLC dungeons, and crushing for ranged interupt can be very nice on stuff like Fang Lair Hardmode and some others. I can see why you wouldn't want to use staff, but it really makes tanking a more fun experience so feel free to try it out at least.

Like everything in tanking it's personal preference and you can do without minmax setups or resist cap, but that's my two cents.

frozzzen101 wrote: »

I tried 5/1/1 for longest time, but after switching to 7/0/0 I'm keeping it that way. As usually it's just rule of the thumb what you are and aren't comfortable as a tank, but reaching resist cap is really worth it in my opinion because every additional percentage of damage reduction is more and more cost efficient. And like you said, I want option to be able to use Earthgore, Thurvokun etc while being on resist cap with major ward/resolve. Protective jewelery is also really good if you aren't Nord. 7/0/0 also gives you more sustain than 5/1/1 via Constitution passive. After long time tanking I realized that resource sustain is #1 priority for me as rather than max stats pool as it allows me more active playstyle with skill being cast on every global cooldown - much more fun and involved. That's why I'm using Orzorga's Red Frothgar (5000 hp / 469 magregen) food instead of usual 3 stat food. I have 15k/15k resource pools but they are always healthy because of high investment in sustain.

Also, do yourself a favor and try out ice staff for tanking. Not only because of crusher, you can use generic absorb stamina glyph to keep yourself healthy, but because skill line is full of amazing stuff. On 3 dd runs, being able to run ele drain is really good as it helps yourself and your group, plus it's free skill to use not wasting any of your resources and using global cooldowns more efficiently. Blockade is amazing as trash pull initiator as it will hit multiple enemies and keep them in with its 60% slow as you are chaining them and grouping them. Also crusher if you want. Both Impulse and shock clench do have some uses in more advanced strategies of some DLC dungeons, and crushing for ranged interupt can be very nice on stuff like Fang Lair Hardmode and some others. I can see why you wouldn't want to use staff, but it really makes tanking a more fun experience so feel free to try it out at least.

Like everything in tanking it's personal preference and you can do without minmax setups or resist cap, but that's my two cents.

I don't understand why people are so obsessed with max stats as a tank. After 5 seconds into the fight, your pools are no longer full and the only thing matters beyond that point is sustain. DDs benefit from max stats but as a tank I don't think +700 stamina is more useful than 2-3k more resist. I think I might switch to that food, it makes a lot of sense. I already use the Atronach but never thought of using regen food too.

D0PAMINE wrote: »

I go 5-1-1. Along with Vampire and Artonach Mundas it makes it easier imo to self sustain. I don't always have the luxury of having a healer, and Woelers builds deffinatly take that into consideration.

But more max stats =/= sustain.

7-0-0 actually gives better sustain. You lose around 600-700 Magicka/Stamina, but the Constitution passive becomes more effective.

MrBumblefoot wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

MrBumblefoot wrote: »

I don't think reaching the resist cap is that easy without a monster set that gives resists. I have fully golded Ebon + Alkosh and I'm a Nord. I can't reach the cap without Lord Warden or full Heavy armor. Since I want to use Stonekeeper, 7-0-0 seems like my only option.

Yeah and also depends on sets - but yes - and when I mention resist I mean if you’re using spiked armor, or if it’s a situation where you think you need chudan; like if you need the spiked armor slot for something else, if you’re casting orbs, altar, offbalance, ele drain or whatever. Like when I’m resource/ele giving as tank, then I might wear chudan - but the rest of the time, spiked armor (I use hardened - just because that’s what I chose when I started; a lot of people also use volatile) should be up; so you can use whatever other monster set; such as the new one, etc.

I use Balance already and can't hit 33k with 5-1-1 and Stonekeeper. Gonna switch to 7-0-0. Same hp, just 600-700 magicka/stamina loss. But nearly 5% more mitigation and like mentioned above, the resource return from passives are more important. I don't think higher stats matter for a tank, sustain is more important.

With the exception of health, I'd agree with you about higher stats don't matter as much for a tank. I"d rather have higher magicka regen for example than higher magicka. A higher health pool though can be pretty useful to a tank.