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The immortal easy vampire tank build
BloodStorm
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1 bar only, Weapon: Frost staff. Sets: Plague Doctor, Warrior-poet and Bloodspawn or engine guardian I like but whatever probably works if defensive / resource/ heal. Imperial race. Class: Sorc. Skills: Clannfear ( Burst emergency heal ), Structured entropy, Immovable brute or Hurricane, Dark conversion, Elusive mist and Devouring Swarm Ultimate / but can use aggressive warhorn for dungeons if want or whenever, I just prefer the Vampire theme. 70-75K health PVE / 80k PVP. With Bloodspawn you can gain ultimate while spamming Elusive mist and in 7 heavy and CP your self heals if needed are amazing. After 3-4 elusive mists you cast Dark conversion 2-3 times and you get health back and full magicka and spam elusive mist again. No need to heavy attack for magicka but can if need. 1 bar build and you are immortal in dueling guaranteed. You won't kill anyone but if you are looking for a very simple 1 bar build that can chase/ Escape and live forever with ease for PVP or Veteran dungeons then there you go. Mastering heavy attack taunt is important but not that hard. Having a range taunt that takes no skill slot is beyond beautiful!!!
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MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We need video to see how this build works on practice in dlc vets or at least vet2 dungeons
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BloodStorm✭✭✭Only on PS4 but can upload sometime/ youtube link. Very easy build. Have done every dungeon. 0
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mocap✭✭✭✭✭
✭so you want to say that with Mist form i can survive basicaly any damage? Even 500k hit? XD
upd: forgot some passives and CP while doing that image. There is actually 99% damage mitigation with Mist form. Thats crazy.Edited by mocap on March 11, 2019 7:08AM2 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭so you want to say that with Mist form i can survive basicaly any damage? Even 500k hit? XD
upd: forgot some passives and CP while doing that image. There is actually 99% damage mitigation with Mist form. Thats crazy.
Nope, it doesn't sum obviously, so i expect something like 97% mitigation in block. Anyway it looks interesting, could you actually survive one-shot mechanics in mist form? Probably some of them, though they maybe script-based.3 -
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✭yeah. Poison cone from Zaan boss? Big AoE hit from Mino (Bloodroot) boss? Maybe even Sign (Rune?) phase in Moonhunter that mage librarian boss?
You clearly can survive all that in normal, so maybe in vet too with super crazy mitigation.2 -
Nurtharikja✭✭✭BloodStorm wrote: »70-75K health PVE / 80k PVP.
Champion points, attribute points?1 -
BloodStorm✭✭✭All health attributes. Tri stat food, 100 blessed, 80 elfborn for self healing mostly, 100 in mooncalf and 80ish arcanist for Stam/ magicka Regen plus you get 10% more from vampire and another 20% for clannfear out or something. 56 ironclad, 56 thick skin, 20% reduced direct/ overtime. Build works fine with no CP though and still just as tanky of course. Most champion points are for PVE as you can counter people's offensive champion points with defensive making if as if champion points are sorta useless in that sense. Not sure why people complain about them for PVP if you have high amount also. Champion points are mostly a PVE thing not PVP as most people put 56 in ironclad and thick skin as said and so on but get that it helps especially if not having crit resist if not tanky. The other points are elemental defender and Hardy. I only have 560ish champion points. Haven't met a werewolf who can kill me on PS4 yet though Lycanrhrope-Rage is the best werewolf on PS4 from what I have seen and I need to test my build vs him soon. Also I am actually liking engine guardian but have lower resists. You don't even need mist form vs most players or vet dungeons but is nice for fun / if need. For 95% of players I would say just spamming clannfear heal and dark conversion back and forth means you won't die and you won't ever run out of resources, especially with engine guardian as you get health which is nice and can convert stamina into magicka with conversion. Still needs perfecting.Edited by BloodStorm on March 12, 2019 6:33AM1
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BloodStorm✭✭✭I qued with random people yesterday on veteran fang lair. Had to learn mechanics so wiped a couple times on the giant wave mechanic part but without a healer we 3 manned veteran fang lair last boss. 2 dps and me the tank of course with aggressive warhorn ultimate. My self heals are good and can taunt from distance with heavies of course.Edited by BloodStorm on March 12, 2019 6:37AM0
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MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BloodStorm wrote: »I qued with random people yesterday on veteran fang lair. Had to learn mechanics so wiped a couple times on the giant wave mechanic part but without a healer we 3 manned veteran fang lair last boss. 2 dps and me the tank of course with aggressive warhorn ultimate. My self heals are good and can taunt from distance with heavies of course.
How you were dealing with shalk? I mean that bug/bugs need to be immobilized after spawn. You get away from them in elusive mist? I am not joking, I am already considering to build something similar to your build, for fun in vet pledges 0 -
BloodStorm✭✭✭Ya elusive mist was nice and good timing roll dodge then heal. Also nice dps will range kill the Beatles sometimes on occasion if can but mist forming when not needing to heal or heavy taunt is definitely great for that phase. Edited by BloodStorm on March 12, 2019 7:05AM0
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✭✭PVP or PVE ?
PVE , go to DLC HM with this build , you will realize it's not gonna work .0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I've run high hp (plague doctor + green pact + bloodspawn/malubeth) setup years ago on my Templar, blazing shield + bone shield, invigorating drain for self heals (the more health you have, the stronger heal is), rest for group utilities. Big flaw of this build is that you have no sets that buff your group, but if you want to be pretty unlillable this is the way to go. Ofcourse right now warrior poet would be better set choice than green pact but still, I was able to face tank bosses in places like City of Ash II without healer.Edited by Mayrael on March 12, 2019 8:52AMI'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PVP or PVE ?
PVE , go to DLC HM with this build , you will realize it's not gonna work .
Well, it's obvious that this build will work only if other group mates are very patient. But maybe person can explain that this is experimental build and they won't kick when they realise tank is doing nothing other then taunting and horning
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BloodStorm✭✭✭In some DLC veterans you have to block / bash so ya the mist form won't always work but I can do everything. Also single bar is better for tanking often because switching bars means more thinking and chance to mess up while holding aggro. It works fine and did 3 man Veteran fang lair with ease. Only died at last boss because had to learn mechanics a couple times / never did it before but completed easily overall.
Thr DPS was good but considering I tanked a DLC veteran I never did before on my first time doing it and without a healer then I would say it works very well. On most dungeons I use elemental blockade or other Aoe CC often. I personally think tanks with less than 50k health are fake tanks. Especially the 35k tanks I see are sad as they just are weak as they sacrifice their survivability for more damage
And are not tanks.
People love saying how hybrids don't work yet if you have less than 50k health then that's not a tank but a hybrid one again. I can survive lots of 1 shot mechanics and if you have so little health that you have to play perfectly / block all the time then that's not a tank. I can survive basically anything in non-Dlc veteran without blocking. My heal fully heals me from almost death if somehow that low or if needed and is infinite basically. Never had issue with any dungeons if know mechanics. Also ebon is a bad tank set and don't know why people run it other than aesthetics. Maybe I'm just a better player than most but I know it's the build mostly. Point of actual tank is to not risk dying if possible. I have done countless dungeons where players failed to avoid mechanics and all died and I was able to revive everyone so we didn't have to restart the boss. You can't die mostly and you can revive players and or keep alive while team revives whoever. Selfish set tanking is better overall but depends on playstyle. People can disagree but I stand by the statement that if you have even just less than 50K health then you are barely a tank. Point of a tank is you can mess up on occasion and still survive. DPS doesn't have such luxury often . I guarantee this build works on just about everything and if it doesn't it's the player not the build. The build is great but mist form can be switched out most of the time for a CC ability if wish as you just block if needed like usual tanks / bash of needed. Edited by BloodStorm on March 12, 2019 11:24AM3 -
BloodStorm✭✭✭Also I have never been kicked with the build. People make this game more complicated than it is or think you need a complicated build or something. I have yet to see a better tank than myself overall if knowing mechanics and people whisper me giving me compliments. I am sure others exist and are possibly great and are so called better but again this is a easy and sort of brainless build than can easily tank anything. I've done DLC veterans so the other statement is in accurate but I appreciate opinions and possible changes to try 2
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BloodStorm✭✭✭
invigorating drain I rarely use as it'sI've run high hp (plague doctor + green pact + bloodspawn/malubeth) setup years ago on my Templar, blazing shield + bone shield, invigorating drain for self heals (the more health you have, the stronger heal is), rest for group utilities. Big flaw of this build is that you have no sets that buff your group, but if you want to be pretty unlillable this is the way to go. Ofcourse right now warrior poet would be better set choice than green pact but still, I was able to face tank bosses in places like City of Ash II without healer.
20% missing health only while clannfear is 35% health all the time and is spammable. Rarely dies and can revive
Quickly on rare chance. In PVP especially it's almost impossible to drop below 50% health unless you allow it in a 1 vs 1. Invigorating drain is mostly for the ultimate regen and is a weak heal. Werewolf heal is just insane though but they lack sustain because no dark conversion.
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✭@BloodStorm Most DD build with the ebon buff in mind for trials. You don't need this much health if you're able to not mess up with tank and bar swap.
A good tank is able to buff the group dps and survivability. Obviously it's easier to stay alive with a lot of health and not swapping, but the fight will be longer, it's nice for progression runs, with pugs, etc... But it's not optimal. If you can survive without that much health and convert it into group utility/buff? Why not do it? Being good is also removing most of the extra safeguards, and relying on your skill, to achieve optimal results.
I've once seen a DD with 30k health, who said he didn't like to die... He actually had decent dps. For me it's the same thing. You can do that but it's not necessary.PC - EU - France - AD
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BloodStorm✭✭✭Elwendryll wrote: »@BloodStorm Most DD build with the ebon buff in mind for trials. You don't need this much health if you're able to not mess up with tank and bar swap.
A good tank is able to buff the group dps and survivability. Obviously it's easier to stay alive with a lot of health and not swapping, but the fight will be longer, it's nice for progression runs, with pugs, etc... But it's not optimal. If you can survive without that much health and convert it into group utility/buff? Why not do it? Being good is also removing most of the extra safeguards, and relying on your skill, to achieve optimal results.
I've once seen a DD with 30k health, who said he didn't like to die... He actually had decent dps. For me it's the same thing. You can do that but it's not necessary.
Agree and understand. I just like safer selfish play but good points.Edited by BloodStorm on March 12, 2019 11:37AM0 -
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Haha nice. Be it bad or good I accept it either wayPsycho_Wes wrote: »LOL Thank you BloodStorm. You’re going to become a meme for awhile.. Edited by BloodStorm on March 12, 2019 11:37AM1 -
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I can do any dungeon but if it humors you then giving a laugh is nicePsycho_Wes wrote: »This has to be the most elaborate troll thread I’ve ever seen.. I'll try not to stray off the topic and assume post will be dead eventually obviously but am not trolling. Though it's mainly for PVP annoyance but PVE I swap out mist form often. Edited by BloodStorm on March 12, 2019 11:43AM1 -
BloodStorm✭✭✭My PSN is VAMPIRE_NOBLEMAN if want to test the couple week old build. Always looking for people to try to kill me and use me as a test dummy :P. Have had players duel me to just test stuff a lot for a while. Edited by BloodStorm on March 12, 2019 11:47AM1
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Psycho_Wes✭✭BloodStorm wrote: »
I can do any dungeon but if it humors you then giving a laugh is nicePsycho_Wes wrote: »This has to be the most elaborate troll thread I’ve ever seen.. I'll try not to stray off the topic and assume post will be dead eventually obviously but am not trolling .
Yea, try the hard hard modes without a healer and see what happens. I guarantee my “fake tank” with 38k health in spc/olorimes and ebon can tank everything in the game better than you. And I’ll be puncturing, chaining and completing stuff faster as I do it.0 -
pelle412✭✭✭✭✭When is something like this needed over a more traditional tank build using support sets?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BloodStorm wrote: »
I can do any dungeon but if it humors you then giving a laugh is nicePsycho_Wes wrote: »This has to be the most elaborate troll thread I’ve ever seen.. I'll try not to stray off the topic and assume post will be dead eventually obviously but am not trolling. Though it's mainly for PVP annoyance but PVE I swap out mist form often.
You say "mainly for PvP", but in Cyrodiil you'd be absolutely useless. People like you I use to heavy attack on to get my stamina back and generate ultimate, then I toss you aside like you don't exist.
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BloodStorm✭✭✭Psycho_Wes wrote: »BloodStorm wrote: »
I can do any dungeon but if it humors you then giving a laugh is nicePsycho_Wes wrote: »This has to be the most elaborate troll thread I’ve ever seen.. I'll try not to stray off the topic and assume post will be dead eventually obviously but am not trolling .
Yea, try the hard hard modes without a healer and see what happens. I guarantee my “fake tank” with 38k health in spc/olorimes and ebon can tank everything in the game better than you. And I’ll be puncturing, chaining and completing stuff faster as I do it.
I solo qued and 3 manned veteran fang lair without healer on last boss with only a couple wipes on last boss because never did mechanics / learned them quick. So your statement is false on most parts. My job isn't damage it's to keep aggro and stay alive nomatter what. If you can die in a duel vs anyone then it's not a tank. I have yet to find a player who can kill me 1 vs 1 and even 1 vs 2 at times often because I am a proper tank. Again you have a hybrid not a tank but we can disagree and that's fine. 2 -
Blood_again✭✭✭✭✭BloodStorm wrote: »Only on PS4 but can upload sometime/ youtube link.
Still waiting for the video with DLC HM1
