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Bow/Bow is actually viable, easy to learn, fun and effective
Weisstag
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So i was really thinking about this for last few days and finally i got to make it happen today, a bow/bow build that does somewhat decent dps. Its still a work in progress so i came here for more like...usefull tips and ideas to improve on it, so far i can say that sustain is very good (3m dummy heavily oversustaining with stam/stam regen food) even on 6m dummy i was able to manage a LA rotation (with stam/stam regen food)
In this parse i got crit lucky with snipe, but non-inflated parses are about the same
Edited by Weisstag on March 5, 2019 10:27PM In this parse i got crit lucky with snipe, but non-inflated parses are about the same
Iam an EU player...so Iam pretty used to suffering
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Hand_Bacon✭✭✭✭✭Yes, it can be. However the majority of bow/bow equipped people popping in for vet content with the name "Legolas" spelled in every variation of special characters and extra L's and S's are not so up to date with the potential of such a build.
Seriously, I saw a Legolas with six S's..Legolassssss. So far the vampires aren't so bad, only saw four T's on a Lestatttt.
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exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So i was really thinking about this for last few days and finally i got to make it happen today, a bow/bow build that does somewhat decent dps. Its still a work in progress so i came here for more like...usefull tips and ideas to improve on it, so far i can say that sustain is very good (3m dummy heavily oversustaining with stam/stam regen food) even on 6m dummy i was able to manage a LA rotation (with stam/stam regen food)
In this parse i got crit lucky with snipe, but non-inflated parses are about the same
What gear setup was used for that parse?0 -
Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
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Looks like Stormfist, Relequen, and some other high crit 5pc on top of a Khajiit bow warden.exeeter702 wrote: »So i was really thinking about this for last few days and finally i got to make it happen today, a bow/bow build that does somewhat decent dps. Its still a work in progress so i came here for more like...usefull tips and ideas to improve on it, so far i can say that sustain is very good (3m dummy heavily oversustaining with stam/stam regen food) even on 6m dummy i was able to manage a LA rotation (with stam/stam regen food)
In this parse i got crit lucky with snipe, but non-inflated parses are about the same
What gear setup was used for that parse?
Berserk (infused?) enchant coupled with ravage health poisons. The max stam is lower than average, weapon damage is good, crit's great, stam regen as well. 12k penetration, though I don't remember whether that reflects debuffs on the target or not. Assuming it doesnt.
All in all, this is impressive, and CM can tell you a lot about a build if you look deep enough.Edited by Judas Helviaryn on March 5, 2019 11:08PM0 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I feel that the rotation on my Bow/Bow Warden is way too complicated when I compare it to my magSorc.
There are just too many things that need constant refreshing. Doesn't feel very intuitive and I keep messing up so bad that my DPS is lower when I try to do it "right" than when I just spam poison injection and subassault with light attacks (and Relequen).
All the things I need to refresh on magSorc are power surge, wall of elements, liquid lightning, shields and c-frags on demand.
On my Stamden I got Lotus, Caltrops, Injection, Subassault, Endless hail, Relequen, trap and netch.
4vs8
This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.3 -
Weisstag✭✭✭I feel that the rotation on my Bow/Bow Warden is way too complicated when I compare it to my magSorc.
There are just too many things that need constant refreshing. Doesn't feel very intuitive and I keep messing up so bad that my DPS is lower when I try to do it "right" than when I just spam poison injection and subassault with light attacks (and Relequen).
All the things I need to refresh on magSorc are power surge, wall of elements, liquid lightning, shields and c-frags on demand.
On my Stamden I got Lotus, Caltrops, Injection, Subassault, Endless hail, Relequen, trap and netch.
4vs8
the rotation is the easiest piece of cake
literally a braindeadsquirrel can do it 
Iam an EU player...so Iam pretty used to suffering1 -
Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I feel that the rotation on my Bow/Bow Warden is way too complicated when I compare it to my magSorc.
There are just too many things that need constant refreshing. Doesn't feel very intuitive and I keep messing up so bad that my DPS is lower when I try to do it "right" than when I just spam poison injection and subassault with light attacks (and Relequen).
All the things I need to refresh on magSorc are power surge, wall of elements, liquid lightning, shields and c-frags on demand.
On my Stamden I got Lotus, Caltrops, Injection, Subassault, Endless hail, Relequen, trap and netch.
4vs8
I wouldn't think about a rotation like individual skills. Map out the timers on paper, in your head, or on screen recording while you figure out the parse, and commit it to muscle memory. You're doing the parse for the same amount of time on either, assuming they're equally powerful.
Treat it like a rotation. The same way RTS players make opening, midgame, and endgame build orders for the competitive scene.
PVE is a lot more proactive, just like PVP is reactive. Less variables, and they're all known. Plan!0 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
Looks like Stormfist, Relequen, and some other high crit 5pc on top of a Khajiit bow warden.exeeter702 wrote: »So i was really thinking about this for last few days and finally i got to make it happen today, a bow/bow build that does somewhat decent dps. Its still a work in progress so i came here for more like...usefull tips and ideas to improve on it, so far i can say that sustain is very good (3m dummy heavily oversustaining with stam/stam regen food) even on 6m dummy i was able to manage a LA rotation (with stam/stam regen food)
In this parse i got crit lucky with snipe, but non-inflated parses are about the same
What gear setup was used for that parse?
Berserk (infused?) enchant coupled with ravage health poisons. The max stam is lower than average, weapon damage is good, crit's great, stam regen as well. 12k penetration, though I don't remember whether that reflects debuffs on the target or not. Assuming it doesnt.
All in all, this is impressive, and CM can tell you a lot about a build if you look deep enough.
I see it now, phone screen was small.0 -
Weisstag✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »So i was really thinking about this for last few days and finally i got to make it happen today, a bow/bow build that does somewhat decent dps. Its still a work in progress so i came here for more like...usefull tips and ideas to improve on it, so far i can say that sustain is very good (3m dummy heavily oversustaining with stam/stam regen food) even on 6m dummy i was able to manage a LA rotation (with stam/stam regen food)
In this parse i got crit lucky with snipe, but non-inflated parses are about the same
What gear setup was used for that parse?
stormfist/relequen/tzogvin bow frontbar/vMA bow backbarIam an EU player...so Iam pretty used to suffering0 -
Bladerunner1✭✭✭✭If you're looking for tips to make the number bigger, have you tried it on an orc? I wouldn't give an orc a bow on live, but on the PTS they're 1500 DPS ahead of my elf at archery.
Have you tried the Shadow mundus?0 -
Weisstag✭✭✭Bladerunner1 wrote: »If you're looking for tips to make the number bigger, have you tried it on an orc? I wouldn't give an orc a bow on live, but on the PTS they're 1500 DPS ahead of my elf at archery.
Have you tried the Shadow mundus?
iam an orc, and yes i tried shadow, no go so farIam an EU player...so Iam pretty used to suffering0 -
Itzmichi✭✭✭✭✭I just need the close combat, the huddle is where the party is.Here, have a chill pill 💊!2 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I feel that the rotation on my Bow/Bow Warden is way too complicated when I compare it to my magSorc.
There are just too many things that need constant refreshing. Doesn't feel very intuitive and I keep messing up so bad that my DPS is lower when I try to do it "right" than when I just spam poison injection and subassault with light attacks (and Relequen).
All the things I need to refresh on magSorc are power surge, wall of elements, liquid lightning, shields and c-frags on demand.
On my Stamden I got Lotus, Caltrops, Injection, Subassault, Endless hail, Relequen, trap and netch.
4vs8
the rotation is the easiest piece of cake literally a braindeadsquirrel can do it
Wow. That was REALLY helpful of you.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
Quest Objective: OMG Go Talk To That Kitty!8 -
Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I feel that the rotation on my Bow/Bow Warden is way too complicated when I compare it to my magSorc.
There are just too many things that need constant refreshing. Doesn't feel very intuitive and I keep messing up so bad that my DPS is lower when I try to do it "right" than when I just spam poison injection and subassault with light attacks (and Relequen).
All the things I need to refresh on magSorc are power surge, wall of elements, liquid lightning, shields and c-frags on demand.
On my Stamden I got Lotus, Caltrops, Injection, Subassault, Endless hail, Relequen, trap and netch.
4vs8
the rotation is the easiest piece of cake literally a braindeadsquirrel can do it
Wow. That was REALLY helpful of you.
I think he was meaning to come off as reassuring, given the context.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Something I've had fun with in super-casual play: Lethal Arrow, Poison Injection and Arrow Spray each cost about 1/3 less stamina on DKs than on other classes. Arrow Spray, for example, becomes a trash fight spammable.1 -
teladoy✭✭✭✭✭I have also a Bow character and is viable but not comparable to Two Hand build. That's why i only play that in Bgs. I like also DW builds, but again, powerful in some circumstantial situations but weak in general in compare to Two hand.0 -
AlienSlof✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I have a bow/bow warden and he's a lot of fun to play, and surprisingly effective when utilised properly. I've started running vet content with him, and he performs pretty well. RIP Atherton, my beautiful little gentle friend, my Shining Light. I will miss you forever. Without you I am a hollow shell.0 -
TheDarkShadow✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think the problem with this build is you need time to build up relequen and tzogvin stacks, and in trials that favour range dps (CR and AS+) you need to swap targets a lot. Maybe you can find a group that allows you to parse on the main boss only, but most group still prefer mag dps for range.2 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »I think the problem with this build is you need time to build up relequen and tzogvin stacks, and in trials that favour range dps (CR and AS+) you need to swap targets a lot. Maybe you can find a group that allows you to parse on the main boss only, but most group still prefer mag dps for range.
Warband is up almost immediately, there is no cool down. So could literally have it up in 1 second.1 -
Weisstag✭✭✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »I think the problem with this build is you need time to build up relequen and tzogvin stacks, and in trials that favour range dps (CR and AS+) you need to swap targets a lot. Maybe you can find a group that allows you to parse on the main boss only, but most group still prefer mag dps for range.
Iam a magNB in our group and so far i think bow/bow can be competetive with relequen swapped for deadly strike, will do more testing afternoon and keep this thread updatedIam an EU player...so Iam pretty used to suffering0 -
HuawaSepp✭✭✭Awesome.
But I have my doubts this will be really competetive.
You loose the aoe dmg that stams are prefered for in vBRP for example and you still don't have the single target dmg of magicka classes.
I parse 60k dps solo on a 3 mil dummy on my magblade with a optimized setup and a bit crit luck.
Is there a chance you could test your build in a real trial?
Maybe also on the 6 mil dummy.PTS-EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hand_Bacon wrote: »Seriously, I saw a Legolas with six S's..Legolassssss.
Parseltongue, maybe?PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
DoonerSeraph✭✭✭✭Somber97866 wrote: »Don't you lose a lot of dps the closet you get?
Long shots does not increase your damage in any meaningful way, the damage increase is lower than minor berserk, because of how it is calculated ☹️
It's just a misleading passive that hurts bow players and makes noobs stand behind the healer ☹️☹️
Also many people have prejudice against bow because people stand back and spam snipe from 1 mile away, problem being, if they used a meta build their parses wouldnt be great too so 🤷🏻♂️
I once got flak for using snipe 3 times in a row while waiting for my endless/caltrops/injection to run out, if you're going to run archer, be prepared for some traumatized ignorance 😜2 -
VexingArcanist✭✭✭✭Hand_Bacon wrote: »Yes, it can be. However the majority of bow/bow equipped people popping in for vet content with the name "Legolas" spelled in every variation of special characters and extra L's and S's are not so up to date with the potential of such a build.
Seriously, I saw a Legolas with six S's..Legolassssss. So far the vampires aren't so bad, only saw four T's on a Lestatttt.
How many Alucards?0 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DoonerSeraph wrote: »Somber97866 wrote: »Don't you lose a lot of dps the closet you get?
Long shots does not increase your damage in any meaningful way, the damage increase is lower than minor berserk, because of how it is calculated ☹️
How so? Naively, I'd think they would be subject to the same haircut -- in or reasonably close to the 30-35% range for most builds that I've calcuated out -- that other +damage% numbers are. What's different in the way Long Shots is accounted for?Edited by FrancisCrawford on March 6, 2019 4:08PM0
