It seems from reports that the botting issue has gotten better, so maybe zos quietly worked on it. We can only hope they will look at the ghost trader soon. Anything that erodes the already fragile trust people have in the trading system in this game is not good.

Both issues you mention are years old, and have been railed against on these forums dozens of times. Actually, the problem with bots probably has hundreds of threads. Zeni isvery unlikely to address these things at all, and certainly not with any urgency.

Some things we just have to accept as zenis management strategy, or decide you can’t accept and move on from the game. Because zeni isn’t going to suddenly reverse direction and prioritize these problems over cash flow development.

Hostee wrote: »

Mournhold Mafia is real

I'm taking that guild name

The easy solution is to not allow guild traders to be bought until the next week if a guild happens to "break up". Once a guild owns a trader, that trader cannot be purchased by any guild until the next week no matter what. The only people this would have any effect on are people using ghost guilds to secure multiple trade locations.

Reverb wrote: »

Both issues you mention are years old, and have been railed against on these forums dozens of times. Actually, the problem with bots probably has hundreds of threads. Zeni isvery unlikely to address these things at all, and certainly not with any urgency.

Some things we just have to accept as zenis management strategy, or decide you can’t accept and move on from the game. Because zeni isn’t going to suddenly reverse direction and prioritize these problems over cash flow development.

So what? Players have a right to post a question concerning an issue they deem to be important to them. Just because it's been touched on before it doesn't mean a repost is going to hurt anyone. I'm getting pissed off by the forums police who think they have a right to tell people what they can and can't post. And how are you supporting your game by telling players to leave if they have an issue? You don't own eso or the forums so there....There are always issues with games and always will be...Sometimes players need a good vent and if they are heard by devs all the better if not at least they got it off their chest.

I've been in dummy guilds where the guild master asked me for gold..I'm talking thousands so he could get a trader and he had a few friends backing up his scam by pretending they had contributed thiusands of gold themselves. I smelled a rat and quit since I had already been in another similar guild. I trust my intuition about people. Scammers are greedy and have a way about them. They literally want something from you from day one. Genuine guild masters want you to settle in and they actually offer you help etc.


"To err is to be human"

ecru wrote: »

The easy solution is to not allow guild traders to be bought until the next week if a guild happens to "break up". Once a guild owns a trader, that trader cannot be purchased by any guild until the next week no matter what. The only people this would have any effect on are people using ghost guilds to secure multiple trade locations.

Yeah that’s the kind of solution I was talking about. I run a guild on PS4 EU. We don’t enforce donations but have a backing of excellent members who help and I and the other GM earn gold legitimacy all week to secure traders. When we get outbid we deal with it and wait until the next week, but it irritates me that half the time we lose it’s to a dummy guild which is then snagged up by the cheaters later in the day.

I love running my guild but the energy and problems surrounding the trader system makes it exhausting. I’m not hoping for some quick overnight fix just wanted to vent.

I agree with your solution. You would soon see who the legitimate ‘strong’ guilds are.

wishlist14 wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Both issues you mention are years old, and have been railed against on these forums dozens of times. Actually, the problem with bots probably has hundreds of threads. Zeni isvery unlikely to address these things at all, and certainly not with any urgency.

Some things we just have to accept as zenis management strategy, or decide you can’t accept and move on from the game. Because zeni isn’t going to suddenly reverse direction and prioritize these problems over cash flow development.

So what? Players have a right to post a question concerning an issue they deem to be important to them. Just because it's been touched on before it doesn't mean a repost is going to hurt anyone. I'm getting pissed off by the forums police who think they have a right to tell people what they can and can't post. And how are you supporting your game by telling players to leave if they have an issue? You don't own eso or the forums so there....There are always issues with games and always will be...Sometimes players need a good vent and if they are heard by devs all the better if not at least they got it off their chest.

I've been in dummy guilds where the guild master asked me for gold..I'm talking thousands so he could get a trader and he had a few friends backing up his scam by pretending they had contributed thiusands of gold themselves. I smelled a rat and quit since I had already been in another similar guild. I trust my intuition about people. Scammers are greedy and have a way about them. They literally want something from you from day one. Genuine guild masters want you to settle in and they actually offer you help etc.


"To err is to be human"

Exactly. I’m aware that both issues are ‘years old’ I have played the game since launch. I’m also not under the impression that there will be a fix overnight I purely wanted to vent. The devs may see, they may not. They noticed once before when they took away disbanding guilds so who knows.

I agree. Myself and my partner run a guild, we don’t enforce donations but we have a large helpful backbone of excellent members who are happy to help out. We treat our members like friends, not like just a way to make gold. That makes us strong. We have done everything legitimately since day one and it tooks us 2+ Years to become as strong as we are know. So it just gets disheartening when these people cheat and ruin the game for others who genuinely work hard on their guilds and value their members.

ecru wrote: »

The easy solution is to not allow guild traders to be bought until the next week if a guild happens to "break up". Once a guild owns a trader, that trader cannot be purchased by any guild until the next week no matter what. The only people this would have any effect on are people using ghost guilds to secure multiple trade locations.

Agreed. This would really solve the entire ghost guild issue on PS4 NA, which is very out of hand when you go to a city right after flip (a decent city, too, not some small place) and over half the guilds are ghost guilds waiting for some schmuck to buy them.

One day a few months back, literally ALL of Rawl'kha was ghosts right after flip. SMH

The bot problem I definitely agree with. There's hordes of them, sometimes there's multiple camping one node. I haven't seen many dummy guilds though, think I've only seen this a total of 2 times. One was a completely empty trader in Elden Root, the other was in Summerset and it's sole listing was a single ta for 1 million lmao. That one I believe was run by a botter or something because when I searched the psn there were dozens of other profiles with a nearly identical name plus exact same profile picture, and each one had only one game though not all had eso some had other games. So whoever that person is they're obviously an industrious little turd that does shady crap in multiple games.

agegarton wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

The easy solution is to not allow guild traders to be bought until the next week if a guild happens to "break up". Once a guild owns a trader, that trader cannot be purchased by any guild until the next week no matter what. The only people this would have any effect on are people using ghost guilds to secure multiple trade locations.

No, the simple answer is to close the trading kiosk when a guild disbands. If the primary guild can’t pick up the back-up spot, there’s literally no point in having the backup guild at all. The kiosk can open for business after the next bid cycle.

Exactly this! So it can be ‘bid’ on for next week but NOT hired by another guild if the guild on there disbands while on it.

Pevey wrote: »

It seems from reports that the botting issue has gotten better, so maybe zos quietly worked on it. We can only hope they will look at the ghost trader soon. Anything that erodes the already fragile trust people have in the trading system in this game is not good.

I just ran across 3 or 4 bot accounts yesterday in the beginning area of Bal Foyen, so the problem is larger from my anecdotal view. They would run up to a spot where something spawned, wait a bit, then go to the next location. I found it odd they would open their menu or such along the way, but perhaps this was part of the effort to seem human.

Nothing was in those spots much of the time, so it was not normal behavior. Ironic when 2 of them were running at the same time in one case.

Skwor wrote: »

Myrkgrav wrote: »

Honestly I wouldn't complain if trading was removed in the way it stands and replaced with an overarching world trader. I hate how the system currently is. It's disjointed, hard to navigate and allows people to be exploited easily.

Again NO to AH

Don't need auction house. Just need a universal search. Many people won't want to travel to get cheaper item in the boondocks, but console really deserves to have something like TTC, which we have on PC.

Wasting resources to corner the market in one city would not pay off if people could easily find better prices (due to not having to cover all that overhead) in lesser locations.

Now that dealing with inventories is so much better since the recent update, a universal search seems more plausible. And if it helps reduce the prevalence of these idiotic guild raffles and auctions, that would be even better.