Oh no! One-shotting people while naked on top of a keep wall is gone? But those skillz, tho...

I guess people will actually have to fight people with weapon/class skills. It’s a shame that people will have to put effort in combat now.

Mojmir wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Oh no! One-shotting people while naked on top of a keep wall is gone? But those skillz, tho...

I guess people will actually have to fight people with weapon/class skills. It’s a shame that people will have to put effort in combat now.

there never was skill in taking a keep, numbers is all that matters anymore.

Pretty much this^

If zerging is actual skill, then I own some swamp land in Arizona and I totally got a 20,000,000 dollar inheritance from some royal family that I've never even heard of.

Yes...ZOS acknowledged that this was an unintended bug they intended to fix right away, and then clarified that they were definitely fixing it...but its totally the fault of forum [snip] that it got reverted.

Do you even use the Dev Tracker?

Now, using the Dev tracker, we also see that ZOS is continuing to discuss future siege changes, so at least your opinions won't go to waste.

[Edit for bait.]

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Oh no! One-shotting people while naked on top of a keep wall is gone? But those skillz, tho...

I guess people will actually have to fight people with weapon/class skills. It’s a shame that people will have to put effort in combat now.

oh right, I suppose some people consider zerg pvdoor is a skill.

0_o

frostz417 wrote: »

Looks like the 40k hp plague doctor lightning staff siege bots lose. Looks like you’ll actually have to press more than one button and acquire thumbs.

how many buttons to join a zerg and follow them around spamming 1 skills?

right. also 1.

Minno wrote: »

Lol "siege is skilless". At a keep fight was told our faction needed to use more siege to counter the Zerg dog piles on front doors lol.

I hate to say it, but OP siege and thedeaths involved is the ONLY thing keeping lag in check and themap dynamic. Unless we want to give everyone incap level DMG on cheap spamables; siege being one shot strong is the only way to make cyro better lol.

It was a bug.

People needing sieges too kill players... lol.

Davadin wrote: »

I kinda like how it was.

Then you're probably a non-threat in cyrodiil that can only get kills if they get one-button kill mechanics like overtuned siege. You should go back to PvE, just stay away from dungeons and trials. The world is scaled to you so you can one shot most things out there and feel cool about yourself. If you come to Cyrodiil though, you're going to have to be better than the person you're fighting to win

Why is it so hard for ppl to see both sides?

Note: I barely pvp in cyro... I get enough lag that sometimes there is just no point.. so it's not by choice. Aussie net #rip.

Yes siege is just left clicking.... no one denies that.. no one said you need mad skills...

On the flip side... it's not fun being being run over by faction zergs and over optimised organised groups.

Concerning the latter, where is the skill in just having to pew pew or spin 2 win.. because you support characters are keeping your health bar from dipping more than 5% and purged so you are never slowed? You can't be picked off... because if your health does dip... earthgore saves. It's quite literally a ball of death that is hard to slow.

The groups just running along walls for 15 mins, tower humping or turtling in the top of keeps. That isn't playing the objective, that is purely designed to farm and annoy. I just leave when I see those flops show up. I am not staying to get griefed.

So I get why some ppl enjoyed melting those groups with the siege.

In before "then make your own group hurr hurr"... some ppl don't find it fun or have the time, or the inclination to practice those kind of tactics... to be told what sets to wear, what skills to run for maximum cheese, sorry effectiveness.

Neither side arguing here wants balance, the balls groups want to farm and grief and the other ppl want to melt them.

Players should fear siege and the damage of sieges need to be increased. Just looks at the map as it is now AD easliy to night cap with little resistance. Only the zergs wanted this reverted. Ball zergs win again, also the lag has returned and the stuck in combat is worst now. the only thing missing now are the immortal ball zergs flocking around the keep walls.



#MAKESIEGEGREATAGAIN

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

I kinda like how it was.

Then you're probably a non-threat in cyrodiil that can only get kills if they get one-button kill mechanics like overtuned siege. You should go back to PvE, just stay away from dungeons and trials. The world is scaled to you so you can one shot most things out there and feel cool about yourself. If you come to Cyrodiil though, you're going to have to be better than the person you're fighting to win

i'm a non-threat, sure. but bigger problem is when dozens of defenders with dozens of sieges are a non-threat against a zerg-ball who PvDoor Cyrodiil.

PS: come to PC NA Vivec to see me. If ur EP, i'll give you a tour. if ur a smurf or a yellow turd, we can check on my threat level....

Cathexis wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Oh no! One-shotting people while naked on top of a keep wall is gone? But those skillz, tho...

I guess people will actually have to fight people with weapon/class skills. It’s a shame that people will have to put effort in combat now.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of cyrodiil.

Cyrodiil is for big boys who put on their big boy pants and fight high damage seige, even solo. You think we used to have potato cannons back in the early days? Hayl naw brethren we used to get slammed by mighty seige and defend ourselves with active abilities like pros and gods. Sometimes for hours and hours. You can't handle a lowbie-noobcake sitting on a wall with a fire ballista? [snip]. It's this kind of [snip] that has made cyrodiil a [snip] sea of tanks fighting with pool noodles. It's PVP NOT ROLEPLAY HOUR. You are not entitled to victory because you have the best gear and can rotate.

[snip]

u remember the days DK Emperor is a *** GOD OF WAR in Cyrodiil?

dude waltz into any battle and whole armies just *** scatter........ like "fuuuuuuuuuu time to log off". Emperor DK-leap onto walls, killing all defenders while the rest of us peasants opened the door. Emp got trebuchet incoming and laughed, then he RETURNED Meteor ulties with DK wings? Front door open and u see the Emperor is cleaning up NPC.

thats like, circa 2014.... I miss those days.

death was an all-day-all-u-can-eat menu.

Cathexis wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Oh no! One-shotting people while naked on top of a keep wall is gone? But those skillz, tho...

I guess people will actually have to fight people with weapon/class skills. It’s a shame that people will have to put effort in combat now.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of cyrodiil.

Cyrodiil is for big boys who put on their big boy pants and fight high damage seige, even solo. You think we used to have potato cannons back in the early days? Hayl naw brethren we used to get slammed by mighty seige and defend ourselves with active abilities like pros and gods. Sometimes for hours and hours. You can't handle a lowbie-noobcake sitting on a wall with a fire ballista? [snip]. It's this kind of [snip] that has made cyrodiil a [snip] sea of tanks fighting with pool noodles. It's PVP NOT ROLEPLAY HOUR. You are not entitled to victory because you have the best gear and can rotate.

[snip]

The problem is the change didn't discourage huge zergs. Quite the opposite - it made them necessary because there is no way a smaller army could take a castle or keep with siege engines doing so much damage. So unless you wanted sieges to become a massive zerg-only affair - these changes needed to be fixed.