ezio45 wrote: »

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

Hey folks, we wanted to touch base to help explain some of the Dungeon difficulty adjustments in today’s patch and our reasoning behind them. The changes were first started during the Wrathstone update but just didn’t quite get finished in time. These changes were done as part of an evaluation of completion rates and drop off. We took a look at all of the Dungeon bosses and how often they were completed in relation to how often they were fought. We narrowed down several that seemed to be stumbling blocks for players and dungeons as a whole. From there we evaluated the bosses individually, auditing all of their abilities to see what was killing players and how each ability or add related to the fight’s overall difficulty.

There is no other reason for these changes other than looking at numbers and making adjustments to get more players into and completing these encounters. We will continue this process in the hopes of a better experience for all players. We appreciate that some players like the difficulty of encounters and we strive to maintain some of that while alleviating some of the break points. We hope this has cleared some things up for those players questioning the changes.

As a aside, Hard Modes, in our view, are the space where we can challenge players that seek to push themselves to the limit in four-player content. With this in mind, we have no plans to make any changes to reduce that difficulty.

awesome, I really like this approach actually. helping vet have more accessibility for players that just want helms but leaving hm for players that want a challenge.

10 points for Gryffindor

Cue players saying hard mode is too hard and please nerf now. That's basically what happened with vet already. ZOS took the original vet dungeons, which were entirely different encounters and mechanics than the normal version of the dungeon, and made "normal" modes for them nerfing the difficulty, and also the original normal dungeons and made vet versions of those simply packing more damage and hp. I was away for 2 years and when I came back was horrified to see what they did to the original dungeons. Not to mention that they never released the veteran versions of Arx Corinium, Blackheart Haven, Blessed Crucible, Direfrost Keep, Tempest Island, Selene's Web or Vaults of Madness. Guess they thought they couldn't charge players for those...

While one part of the nerfs are explained the other one might be hidden which is probably financial. A lot of people unsubscribe and buying worthy DLCs individually just to not run the dead long DLC dungeons as WGT and CoS especially with PUGs who can't complete a single dungeon and can't be arsed to learn the mechanics or the game overall. The game is being so PUG and casual friendly it's ruining the experienced players' game.

I understand, it is all about numbers and statistics and had to be done as those dungeons are painful with PUGs and ignorant players. All the long dungeons must be nerfed atleast the normal versions, who is running Veteran and Hard Mode contents they know what they signed up for.

KhajiitFelix wrote: »

To make them possible for PvPers because they complain that they are too hard.

Correction, so I can do it once get the gear and leave. Then I can kill people with it.

just make any future dlc dungeons with a hard mode option for every boss. If completing every boss in a dungeon on hard mode you’ll get double gear drops at the end plus double motifs for that dungeons when motifs are realeased. Also if that dungeon is a pledge give 3-4 keys for doing every boss on hard mode.

Good news! Nerf all the dungeons, I say! If there was a difficulty slider for ESO, I'd be playing on easy!

Urvoth wrote: »

KhajiitFelix wrote: »

To make them possible for PvPers because they complain that they are too hard.

Almost every PvPer I know considers vet dungeons to be pretty easy or at least quite doable. In fact, I’ve met more PVEers that are worse at PvE than PvPers.

On any given night in the PvP guild that I play with, we have members walking around in any number of skins, complete with Tic Toc Tormentor titles on, etc. They are also in some of the more “elite” trials guilds as well as our PvP guild. Some people are just good at the game.

This is great , people who have paid for the content may be able to have a chance now. There is no need for the “git gud” elite guilds to shout their mouths of at the mere mortals. By the way I have completed nearly all dungeons HM including DLC. Live and let live it’s a game. Everyone should be able to enjoy this beautiful masterpiece.

Well point is if they keep it as it is, and only make harder and hrader content that more players can't be able to do . No one will bother buying the dlc dungeons. They would avoid them and then only the hard core players would play them. 100% of that content should be doable by every single player in the game. Maybe not at launch no, this gives those hard core elitists a chance of having a challenge. But at some point as the game progresses through new content they have to give everyone else a chance. Random Queues, I don't think many will queue up for vet content they cannot do. The mechanics in some of them from what I understand are extremely harsh. So they have to go through cycles here.


New Content only the best and most prepared can do it. When its old content everyone should be able to do it. I am against skin selling for one simple reason. Players are charging so much gold for this. I am i against this.
Why? Because players payed real money and sometimes they use ingame currrency to buy the content from someone who bought the content for them in trade for in game currency. Right now on Pc Na, going 200 gold per crown. A typical dungeon dlc would cost 300,000 gold. Now, with these skin runs or dungeon runs. 8mill gold to run through would be 40,000 crowns x 200. Estimating it, it would be close to 400 dollars. 99.99 dollars x 4 would be around 400$ worth in crown to gold ratio to be able to even have a chance of getting into a group for a skin run. I am sure some will force you to play a certain race, build, item sets and class as well to do the content. That would mean some of the gear might require you to do difficult content that you would not even be able to do without gear from the dlc content, which is to difficult for most to be even able to complete. So yeah this is a problem and this is why they need to nerf old content so players don't get extorted out of 400$ worth of crowns or in gold 8 million. Some even require 10 mil gold for gear. To even have a chance at the content most would have to sell a lot of things or buy and sell crowns to even have a chance and that is like 90% more then the content is worth realistically. People should be able to pay base cost of 300,000 gold or 1500 crowns period and no more on this. not 400$ worth of gold just for a chance for a skin.

This is like say for example you buy a car with 200 euros, but then are told to be able to use your car you must pay 8 million dollars just to get the key to start said car. This is a funny example but basically what this is in the game. You bought the car but to get the key you have to pay in a different currency or same currency if you bought from a player who gifted the content to you for the cars 8 million dollar key the key would be very good players who can run you through it to get the skin. So basically the key to getting the content that is unlocked by achievements would be for the most part locked behind buy to get the content you payed for. To me that is ridiculous and I think most would agree if this was happening in real life not many would go for it.

KhajiitFelix wrote: »

To make them possible for PvPers because they complain that they are too hard.

Ffs dont be one of those people

They are focusing on hard modes as the challenging content especially the newer ones. There have been players that have have tried for a year or more to do some of these vet DLC dungeons not even in HM and gave up. Now they might actually try again.