learning pvp

r34lian · March 2019

hello there I'm pve player currently learning pvp , I'm using alcast build for pvp stamina templar but the problem is I dont have master weapon as most build suggest , I've done nDSA only once and noone wants to take in a newbie so not possible for me to farm them will there be significant dps loss for not using master 2h and should i go for warrior mundus and any advice from pvpers
sets : selene + bone pirate + shackle breaker
weapon crit with jabs 41%
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Dragneel1207 · March 2019

whats u r cp? we can farm vDSA together and i am also in need of master weapons(PC EU)
I dont know about templars but with warden and sDK i can help

r34lian · March 2019

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

whats u r cp? we can farm vDSA together and i am also in need of master weapons(PC EU)

PC NA

D0PAMINE · March 2019

Just use whatever set you have as your weapon set for the 2H. If you're just learning, then play your build a bit and optimize it around what you feel you need. As for mundus, on my Stamplar I go for Lover for more wep pen.

Dragneel1207 · March 2019

Soul19reaper wrote: »

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

whats u r cp? we can farm vDSA together and i am also in need of master weapons(PC EU)

PC NA

ahh

Sergykid · March 2019

the master axes won't help u much if u don't have pvp experience. Also, u r going for bis gear right off the start. I suggest you first play something in heavy armor to learn a bit how to sustain during a fight, ur the bleed from the axes won't have the time to kill anything cuz u will be dead

Aurielle · March 2019

You don’t need Master weapons to be effective in PVP. I don’t have any because I never felt bothered to grind vDSA, and I do just fine.

Mayrael · March 2019

TBH there is no "ready" builds that will make you better. I've seen and killed so many newbie "meta builds" users that it's hard to count, what matters the most is your skill.
How to improve your skills in PvP:
1. Accept death. At first you will die a lot and that's completely normal, all PvPers was there.

2. When you die, don't try to blame your killer for using broken mechanics etc. Instead think of what you could do different like using other skill? Roll dodge? Block? Should I chase him? Could I retreat eralier? Should I act more offensive?

3. Always try to predict your opponent moves. E.g. NBs when brought to execute range 99% of a time will cloak/roll dodge thats why you should get ready some counters on this occasion. DKs will flap wings, sorcs will try to streak away and so on.

4. When you are on siege weapon always be ready because someone may try to gank you.

5. Don't rely just on one defensive mechanic.

There are hundreds if not thousands of things like this you will learn. Don't rush with it, don't quit, analyze your gameplay, both the good and the bad decisions. Try to observe other players, you can learn a lot from your enemies. Ignore rage whisps, you need to keep your self ice cold.

alexj4596b14_ESO · March 2019

Soul19reaper wrote: »

hello there I'm pve player currently learning pvp , I'm using alcast build for pvp stamina templar but the problem is I dont have master weapon as most build suggest , I've done nDSA only once and noone wants to take in a newbie so not possible for me to farm them will there be significant dps loss for not using master 2h and should i go for warrior mundus and any advice from pvpers
sets : selene + bone pirate + shackle breaker
weapon crit with jabs 41%
[img][/img]

So just from my experience. The alcast and dotzzsgameing builds are great they take into account allot of different things between race,class, and sets but offten times they are set up just for how they play. I would suggest that you take the build you like and make it your own. Go out and PvP for good long while and then worries about BiS gear.

I just skimmed through your stats. You have to littles health. Even in BG or CP PvP your health is not going to go up by 10K. Most DPS in PvP have around 22-25k health. This might make it easier for you to compete.

InvictusApollo · March 2019

Sergykid wrote: »

the master axes won't help u much if u don't have pvp experience. Also, u r going for bis gear right off the start. I suggest you first play something in heavy armor to learn a bit how to sustain during a fight, ur the bleed from the axes won't have the time to kill anything cuz u will be dead

I agree. If you are just begining your pvp experience then I would also strongly suggest going into tankiness. Those builds are mostly designed for players who already trained their pvp skills. You haven't yet. Tanky build will give you more time for training as you won't be dying so quickly.
I would at least swap that Selene for Pirate Skeleton.
As for The Master's Greatsword from waht I see it increases your single target damage by 1500-9000. In BG and small scale pvp that will be usually 1,5-3k damage before mitigations. Against an average player who has 20k physical resistance that damage will be mitigated to around 0,5-1k. And this is in no CP environment. As you can see this isn't that much to make bigger difference than your own experience and skill. Ultimately you will want to have everything BiS but for now you can replace that master weapon with a weapon from Agility set or sth else.

When in doubt, use ESO Build Editor to see what effects changing a build will have on you:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor

r34lian · March 2019

Thank you very much for the tips i appreciate it should I switch gear to heavy for surviveabily and which ones would you suggest?

Aurielle · March 2019

Soul19reaper wrote: »

Thank you very much for the tips i appreciate it should I switch gear to heavy for surviveabily and which ones would you suggest?

Ravager is excellent for Stamplars, as jabs procs it reliably. Otherwise, heavy Shacklebreaker would be a good starting point for you.

CurvedSwords123 · March 2019

Redguard is no longer ideal for Templars or Nightblade btw.

pod88kk · March 2019

I use bloodspawn Ravager and bone pirate, it's pretty tanky & hits like a truck. There's lots of people posting builds on YouTube like khyleo and dragoox that are really effective. Alcast mainly does pve so I wouldn't take his builds as the be all & end all. Have a look around & see what fits your playstyle.

Kheigen · March 2019

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

whats u r cp? we can farm vDSA together and i am also in need of master weapons(PC EU)
I dont know about templars but with warden and sDK i can help

His/her CP is 825 upper left of the screenshot.

Kidgangster101 · March 2019

I would replace selenes with either pirate skeleton or troll king. Make sure all your gear is impen and really figure out where you want to play because that effects the build huge. I personally play in battlegrounds or non CP campains but if you played in CP your builds would change for sure.

For non CP you can run 5 hulking set from direfrost keep, 2 pirate skeleton or troll king, and 5 ravenger set to gain attack. This set up gives you a very huge stamina pool and attack boost. I have noticed for inside battlegrounds and non CP you don't need insane stamina recovery either.

I would run 1 heavy, 5 medium, 1 light piece so you can get 6% max stam as that stam bonus makes your power of the light hit a lot harder on this build. Best part about power of the light is it can pop if the person is taking any damage from either team and you can steal a lot of kills lol. But with your rune and the monster set you get resistances, your armor will give you more health because you want around 18-19k before entering, and more stamina. It is a more all around set I have noticed.

But again I wouldn't even think about taking this into a CP campain.

r34lian · March 2019

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Redguard is no longer ideal for Templars or Nightblade btw.

I have things for redgaurd.

JumpmanLane · March 2019

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Soul19reaper wrote: »

hello there I'm pve player currently learning pvp , I'm using alcast build for pvp stamina templar but the problem is I dont have master weapon as most build suggest , I've done nDSA only once and noone wants to take in a newbie so not possible for me to farm them will there be significant dps loss for not using master 2h and should i go for warrior mundus and any advice from pvpers
sets : selene + bone pirate + shackle breaker
weapon crit with jabs 41%
[img][/img]

So just from my experience. The alcast and dotzzsgameing builds are great they take into account allot of different things between race,class, and sets but offten times they are set up just for how they play. I would suggest that you take the build you like and make it your own. Go out and PvP for good long while and then worries about BiS gear.

I just skimmed through your stats. You have to littles health. Even in BG or CP PvP your health is not going to go up by 10K. Most DPS in PvP have around 22-25k health. This might make it easier for you to compete.

I unno Dotzz actually pvps though I’d guess his builds are suited more to his personal play style. It’s a good place to start.

I wouldn’t run an Alcast PvP build on a bet! Not to disparage Alcast. I’ve run one of his PvE builds that was pure gold.

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

the master axes won't help u much if u don't have pvp experience. Also, u r going for bis gear right off the start. I suggest you first play something in heavy armor to learn a bit how to sustain during a fight, ur the bleed from the axes won't have the time to kill anything cuz u will be dead

I agree. If you are just begining your pvp experience then I would also strongly suggest going into tankiness. Those builds are mostly designed for players who already trained their pvp skills. You haven't yet. Tanky build will give you more time for training as you won't be dying so quickly.
I would at least swap that Selene for Pirate Skeleton.
As for The Master's Greatsword from waht I see it increases your single target damage by 1500-9000. In BG and small scale pvp that will be usually 1,5-3k damage before mitigations. Against an average player who has 20k physical resistance that damage will be mitigated to around 0,5-1k. And this is in no CP environment. As you can see this isn't that much to make bigger difference than your own experience and skill. Ultimately you will want to have everything BiS but for now you can replace that master weapon with a weapon from Agility set or sth else.

When in doubt, use ESO Build Editor to see what effects changing a build will have on you:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor

We were taught a different way. We were taught (me and a couple of my friends by another friend arguably one of the best MagDks on PcNA) that if you can add anything add damage. If you know your class from PvE and have developed your own play style run two damage sets all damage and work back from there.

Then add sustain and survivability as needed. You could run a full on tank build and not learn anything at all because yeah maybe you don’t die as much but you really aren’t killing anybody either.

You’ll learn more by actually fighting and dying than face tanking, surviving but not killing anybody.

Iskiab · March 2019

Get a new guild focusing on pve. nDSA is very easy, you can do it with 4 dps.

Most important thing in pvp... join a good pvp guild. PvP in ESO is really bursty, coming from pve imagine the other teams like a vet dungeon. Don’t run in alone, stay with your group. Don’t get upset about dying.

Knowing when to be aggressive and when to hold back is important. When you see the other groups fighting and low health push hard, when you first engage head on head push hard. Use cc liberally, it’s different then pve in that way. If you’re 2 up against 4 run.

PvP promotes aggressive play. You win a lot within the first minute of a game. If you wipe a group they’ll usually stop fighting back and run from you the rest of the match. PvP is one third gear, one third the player, and one third psychology. That’s why guild tags/reputation is important, sometimes you win before seeing your opponent.

I remember in other games people would drop battlegrounds as soon as they saw us. Developing that kind of reputation leads to it continuing because they stop fighting back. If you win the psychological game then it’s just about farming them until the match is done.

shimm · March 2019

PvP advice in cyrodiil... listen to crown!

therift · March 2019

Mayrael wrote: »

TBH there is no "ready" builds that will make you better. I've seen and killed so many newbie "meta builds" users that it's hard to count, what matters the most is your skill.
How to improve your skills in PvP:
1. Accept death. At first you will die a lot and that's completely normal, all PvPers was there.

2. When you die, don't try to blame your killer for using broken mechanics etc. Instead think of what you could do different like using other skill? Roll dodge? Block? Should I chase him? Could I retreat eralier? Should I act more offensive?

3. Always try to predict your opponent moves. E.g. NBs when brought to execute range 99% of a time will cloak/roll dodge thats why you should get ready some counters on this occasion. DKs will flap wings, sorcs will try to streak away and so on.

4. When you are on siege weapon always be ready because someone may try to gank you.

5. Don't rely just on one defensive mechanic.

There are hundreds if not thousands of things like this you will learn. Don't rush with it, don't quit, analyze your gameplay, both the good and the bad decisions. Try to observe other players, you can learn a lot from your enemies. Ignore rage whisps, you need to keep your self ice cold.

This is all excellent advice. I would study it carefully.

I add the following:

6. Watch your resources, and avoid becoming focused on one target. Part of defeating another player is making him/her spend resource faster than you. If you become focused on a target, trying to push the kill, you'll often blow through your resources and lose the all-important initiative. This takes practice and the ice-cold head mentioned above.

7. Take and keep the initiative. Initiative determines positioning, pressure through DoTs and AoEs, and the pace of the fight. If you are forcing your opponent to block/dodge/shield/heal, you have the initiative of resource. If you are forcing to your opponent to pursue or retreat from you, you have initiative of position. If you are able to deliver a burst combination when you choose, you have initiative of attack. Keep initiative of resource, position, and attack and you will win 8 fights out of ten.

Two suggestions for Stamplar:
Slot and use Extended Ritual. This skill costs Magicka, but with all the negative effects in Cyrodiil, you will cast this skill often. This is the top Cyrodiil survival skill for Stamplar after Vigor.

Slot and use Restoring Focus or Channeled Focus. The former adds 240 Stam Rec; the latter adds 240 Mag Rec. Both add Major Resolve and Ward. Keep this skill up in every fight. I run Restoring, but if you feel you need more Mag Rec for Extended Ritual cleansing, run that.

Redguard Stamplar is my hands-down favorite to run in Cyro. Good luck to you

D0PAMINE · March 2019

@Soul19reaper Xynode and Dottz do an amazing job of explaining how skills work with certain passives as well.

JumpmanLane · March 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Get a new guild focusing on pve. nDSA is very easy, you can do it with 4 dps.

Most important thing in pvp... join a good pvp guild. PvP in ESO is really bursty, coming from pve imagine the other teams like a vet dungeon. Don’t run in alone, stay with your group. Don’t get upset about dying.

Knowing when to be aggressive and when to hold back is important. When you see the other groups fighting and low health push hard, when you first engage head on head push hard. Use cc liberally, it’s different then pve in that way. If you’re 2 up against 4 run.

PvP promotes aggressive play. You win a lot within the first minute of a game. If you wipe a group they’ll usually stop fighting back and run from you the rest of the match. PvP is one third gear, one third the player, and one third psychology. That’s why guild tags/reputation is important, sometimes you win before seeing your opponent.

I remember in other games people would drop battlegrounds as soon as they saw us. Developing that kind of reputation leads to it continuing because they stop fighting back. If you win the psychological game then it’s just about farming them until the match is done.

I unno I think if you’re running more than 4 and especially 12man or more you’re trash. I’ll kite y’all all day long and pick off that one fool that don’t stack on crown right.

There are “known” ball Zergs that are in the end just ZERGS. I fight ‘em I don’t avoid them. That rep you’re talking about works in reverse. If you’re in a guild running 10 templars, 10 Wardens, a couple of NB’s and a couple of StamDK’s I’ll think you’re all trash for running with that many people lol.

BloodStorm · March 2019

If new then tank builds are ideal as you can survive, be annoying and with proc set monster helm at least help some / a lot to at least destroy a shield or add a bit more burst to allies to finish the job. Following crown/ listening is usually best as you all focus on one goal or a few instead of so spread out and can be picked off. It's the reason HitIer built Germany back up so quick after so called WW1 ( one war with slight pause ) as following one person / dictatorship or a few cause fast change and economic growth at a rapid rate be it seen as bad or good of course.

ccfeeling · March 2019

Cool , me too , I finally joined PVP after 3 years PVE life .

Actually , it's pretty funny and it used to run different philosophy .

In PVE , my Stam DPS run 5 medium 1H1L , all divine , tank pull all the mobs and I just have to start the rotation and avoid the fatal mechanism .

I sometimes joined PVP with same setup for trans crystal , it's crap , I died a lot

Right now , I started to study PVP system and changed to 5H 1M1L , all impen , the world looks different , there is no static rotation , everything is dynamic .

I like BG much more , it's very smooth , unlike Cyrodiil .

Vapirko · March 2019

You don't need master weapons to be good at Stamplar. 5 medium 2 heavy with bloodspawn, ravager and bone pirate. Run ravager only on your front bar and use deaths wind on the backbar paired with the psijic ultimate for minor protection. You can choose whatever mundus suits you best. If you're a nord and you already have extra resistances then choose either regen or wpn damage. If you're an Orc probably want to go with sustain. Redguard prob weapon damage etc. Or if you're feeling squishy you can choose the lady mundus. Run 1 or 2 protective jewelry if not a Nord.

You can go heavy if you like, personally I dont like it for Stamplar. To me being able to dodge roll and have the extra sprint cost is better and I like the burst heal. Thats just preference though.

Alcasts PvP builds always strike me as relying on gear more than anything. They usually require procs and/or lots of dots or bleeds.