Thanks for allowing Skyshards to be brought to other characters. Thread closed.

Wolfpaw · February 2019

Tandor wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Still a big FAT NO on this.

This.

No solid argument, just a demand.

It's the people demanding change that lack a solid argument. All we've had after 22 pages is "I've done it once to get a maxed character, now I want maxed characters without having to do it again" which is about as far from a solid argument as you can get.

Sounds like a solid argument to me, and many others out of the 22 pages of posts.

dpr999 · February 2019

I think all my alts should be identical to my main with all the same stuff and levels, so I don't have to do it again.

Sheezabeast · February 2019

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BattleAxe · February 2019

Lore books no. Skyshards to a point I can understand I’ve grinned probably about 10 of my toons thru cyrodil to get the skyshards behind each factions gate. Now if they would make a pve cyrodil map that way your not relying on your faction to push for a scroll to get 4 skyshards your essentially barred from otherwise I’d be against giving all skyshards you have collected once.

Edziu · February 2019

Tandor wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Still a big FAT NO on this.

This.

No solid argument, just a demand.

It's the people demanding change that lack a solid argument. All we've had after 22 pages is "I've done it once to get a maxed character, now I want maxed characters without having to do it again" which is about as far from a solid argument as you can get.

no solid argument?
how about ofc not only me was stuck at single character for years mainly becasue we want to have complete everything on 100% but nothing from this count to our alts so our alts even when leveled still have nothing

Im not going to complete every every quest 15+ times for every character only to have all this complete in 100% on every my character so I could play with more pleasure

as I said I was playing for over 3 years single character, alts only lvled to 50lvl and thats all, sayed as magaziners without viability for today endgame
when I back to eso after quit at morrowind release I got sick of class which I have played since beta (NB)
I leveled to playable state only this 1 alt (have 9 alts in unplayable state) while retiring my main with over 29k achiev points with just morrowind release so many
and what now? if I dont have to play wiht someone an any veterant content I basically dont play this game as I dont care to get everything again even on my single alt wich I have got on my main much before and as everything new which I will get on my alt will not count to my main...well thats why I dont care into progressing any other content/exploration here which is not group content like dungs, trials etc or even pvp

if I woudl ahve option for a bit more account shared things then I would to play more than single character at once while having point and fun with progressing, exploring new maps

at end I havnt completed any more easy content like exploration or quests since morrowind release, every dlc/chapter I have to access I have not use besides uhmm what? just dungs and trials lol
I have no use of TG dlc besides trial, no use from any dlc which dont have dung or trial in it, even summerset....the only use I have from it is jsut jewerly craffting to just transmut jewerly lol, thats all and in very small case minitrial with sets to farm from it

Merlin13KAGL · March 2019

@Edziu if you can't be content having achieved those things on your account, then it's a personal issue, no offense.

There should be an account wide summary to show these things, but there is absolutely no need to do every thing on every character.

As such, it's been pointed out many times that one can be viable without repeating everything. One can be viable in a reasonable number of hours for a new character, because thousands of characters have done so.

This is a want, will only ever be a want, and will never be remotely necessary.

Two accounts, 15 characters on NA, 2 characters on EU. It doesn't slow things down that much, and certainly not enough to warrant speeding them up even further.

Edziu · March 2019

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

@Edziu if you can't be content having achieved those things on your account, then it's a personal issue, no offense.

There should be an account wide summary to show these things, but there is absolutely no need to do every thing on every character.

As such, it's been pointed out many times that one can be viable without repeating everything. One can be viable in a reasonable number of hours for a new character, because thousands of characters have done so.

This is a want, will only ever be a want, and will never be remotely necessary.

Two accounts, 15 characters on NA, 2 characters on EU. It doesn't slow things down that much, and certainly not enough to warrant speeding them up even further.

yes this summary could be atleast
because as for now...when I log on not main all I see it is just empty everything, I cant see if I have even done this achiev or no
there would be really nice thing to see summary from full account to atleast compare on which characters you have completed it if atleast once you have done it to have this visible

but as I wrote...when on every other than main character I see everything empty...I just dont feel good to play with that empty character when before I have completed many things, hardly obtained or even just to look how early I have obtained this 1st time...but I cant so I jsut dont feel any sense for me to play that many characters

EDIT: + tbh Im not gonna to repeat many very time consuming achievs one more than single character when I dont want play this character
Im player like completionist which really like to have done, unlocked everything at 100% but in this game it is impossible to have this on more than single character, not long ago we coudl see 1st player which get literally evey achievement in this game after 5 years...so gl to do this even on 2nd character

WeerW3ir · March 2019

You guys still cannot forget this horrible idea??

West1389 · March 2019

I think it might be the type of player you are. For example when i beat a game I dont like to replay it. I know what happened I know the story, and i know the outcome so it's boring. Some people can replay the same game over and over. Having only 1 main and 1 just for crafting, the crafter still at lv 20. No fighting skills all into blacksmith, wood, and clothes.

I think having the option would add to more gameplay for others. I would love to try out more builds. Just not going to go do the same thing over again. Yes my choice just like it's yours to do 25 toons.

I dont get how this would hurt anyone's gameplay. It's still not like they jump to lv50. Still have to grind up there. So is the point that we need to go find the shards to waste time?

Again if anything I think it would add to playtime, and we all know that's what zos wants the most. You logged in and playing.

srfrogg23 · March 2019

Hmm... this necro'd thread is still up and going. Fair enough.

My 2 cents: pretending that all the guild skill lines, skyshards, and lore lorebooks is required to make a viable end game build is being intellectually dishonest. We get more than enough skill points just by leveling and the guild skills are not central to all builds, or even difficult to obtain.

CPs are account bound and are a good balance to make the game more alt friendly.

Starting a level 3 character with 350 skill points and maxed out guild skill lines would eliminate a lot of replay value as well as be broken as hell in group content.

Not to mention that it's a slippery slope. What's next? Demanding all armor skill lines be account bound? Weapon skills too? I mean, I leveled those on my main. My alts should have them too.

Just going to go with "nah..." on this one.

Merlin13KAGL · March 2019

West1389 wrote: »

I think it might be the type of player you are. For example when i beat a game I dont like to replay it. I know what happened I know the story, and i know the outcome so it's boring. Some people can replay the same game over and over. Having only 1 main and 1 just for crafting, the crafter still at lv 20. No fighting skills all into blacksmith, wood, and clothes.

I think having the option would add to more gameplay for others. I would love to try out more builds. Just not going to go do the same thing over again. Yes my choice just like it's yours to do 25 toons.

I dont get how this would hurt anyone's gameplay. It's still not like they jump to lv50. Still have to grind up there. So is the point that we need to go find the shards to waste time?

Again if anything I think it would add to playtime, and we all know that's what zos wants the most. You logged in and playing.

To my knowledge, there was only one person on the planet that had 'beat the game' prior to the latest DLC release.

The only individual that had every achievement in the game.

Otherwise, again, the point is moot. You don't have to replay the story lines for any reason whatsoever to be viable.

For the ones that have semi-necessary rewards (skillpoints), you can skip the dialogue so fast that you'll hardly notice difference between the first and the 50th run.

You either want the new character, or you don't.

West1389 · March 2019

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

West1389 wrote: »

I think it might be the type of player you are. For example when i beat a game I dont like to replay it. I know what happened I know the story, and i know the outcome so it's boring. Some people can replay the same game over and over. Having only 1 main and 1 just for crafting, the crafter still at lv 20. No fighting skills all into blacksmith, wood, and clothes.

I think having the option would add to more gameplay for others. I would love to try out more builds. Just not going to go do the same thing over again. Yes my choice just like it's yours to do 25 toons.

I dont get how this would hurt anyone's gameplay. It's still not like they jump to lv50. Still have to grind up there. So is the point that we need to go find the shards to waste time?

Again if anything I think it would add to playtime, and we all know that's what zos wants the most. You logged in and playing.

To my knowledge, there was only one person on the planet that had 'beat the game' prior to the latest DLC release.

The only individual that had every achievement in the game.

Otherwise, again, the point is moot. You don't have to replay the story lines for any reason whatsoever to be viable.

For the ones that have semi-necessary rewards (skillpoints), you can skip the dialogue so fast that you'll hardly notice difference between the first and the 50th run.

You either want the new character, or you don't.

How do I lv up the new toon? You just gave a reason to skip dialogue, so guessing you didnt read my post. Many people dont want to redo the same quest. How does this hurt you in any way?

Merlin13KAGL · March 2019

@West1389 There are dozens of ways to level in mere hours that don't have to involve a single quest if you truly don't want them to. Why do you think you deserve a max level character without putting forth any additional effort (the painfully simplified process of leveling up the new toon?)

Better than that, why do you even want a new toon? If you're not going to repeat content, which is what the majority of end game is built on, are you just going to do new content as it's released, one time, and never go back? Somehow I doubt it.

It's not about guild lines, you level up most of those (DB, Psijic being the exceptions) without touching a single guild quest after the "I'd like to join the __________ guild." one. Soul magic is hardly a necessity on most builds. Vamp and WW don't require more than a single quest. No quests for PvP skills. You don't even have to touch the zone main line quests or a single side quest if you don't want to.

I gave an option to accelerate and virtually eliminate the delays from 4 man quests, save the built in unavoidable dialogue and movement delays on a few, for faster skillpoints.

I've given numerous examples of how to expedite full skillpoints without touching a single shard, ever.

Taking the dialogue out of the equation (if that's what you're after) effectively eliminates the 'repeating the quest' portion of things, nullifying your point.

As quickly as one can get am end game viable character, there is zero call for this kind of change.

It's a minimum of dedication required to invest in a new character, which hopefully means the player will end up paying some kind of attention as a result.

Aside from likely breeding even more inexperienced and incapable high CP players, it doesn't affect me at all, any more than putting forth a little bit of time and effort affects you. I know it's possible, because people have done it with dozens of characters.

I do not believe for a moment that anyone here doesn't have ~100 to invest in a new character to be viable pretty much till the end of time.

It's a want, and that's all it will ever be. There has yet to be a single valid reason pointing it out as a need, thus the lack of change in five years' time.

West1389 · March 2019

So again how does it hurt you?

Look I really don't care I play 2 toons like I said one is lv 22. Has just enough for my crafting. My main is good to go on all skills. I only say this because I think it will add more play time for others.

If zos was smart and wanted money they would do what almost every other mmo does, allow a option to buy a toon at max lv.

Since I'm the type of gamer who hate redoing the same thing over and over this is why I only have 2 toons. They are also not in same alliance, this way I didnt redo the same quest, or get the same shards.

I get your point, but it's more or I walked 5 miles in the snow, and so should you.

kmcaj · March 2019

If was an option I might create a second toon, probably not though as doesn't really interest me, but as stands now wouldn't even consider it. I'm fine playing with one toon so personally not concerned with this. Still don't see how if was optional would really hurt game for others though.
You still have to be leveled to use skill points. Could see how this option could encourage some users to play more. ZOS can sell their upgrade. Who knows, maybe there would be more tanks and healers and would cut out some dungeon wait times.

Cpt_Teemo · March 2019

Everything should be account wide tbh traits, consumeables, shards, et

vet7years · March 2019

I don’t think you should get all the skyshards added to all toons account wide, but have the maps be account wide instead including skyshard locations marked (have them be dark until found then turn white on the map).

West1389 · March 2019

Yes I dont get how a option will hurt people. I keep asking and guess what never a answer.

The reason and they dont say it is because they lv 25toon and want you to do the same. If this is the case, and every toon is different shouldnt we have to grind cp with each toon?

Cpt_Teemo · March 2019

vet7years wrote: »

I don’t think you should get all the skyshards added to all toons account wide, but have the maps be account wide instead including skyshard locations marked (have them be dark until found then turn white on the map).

I'd rather have them all be activate once you hit 50 though

alexj4596b14_ESO · March 2019

Honestly skyshards i could agree with, everything else eh, oh and the horse.

alexj4596b14_ESO · March 2019

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

vet7years wrote: »

I don’t think you should get all the skyshards added to all toons account wide, but have the maps be account wide instead including skyshard locations marked (have them be dark until found then turn white on the map).

I'd rather have them all be activate once you hit 50 though

This is also a great idea.

Fuzzybrick · March 2019

I've always thought that it would be great to share skills account wide. I spend more time grinding shards and skill points then even playing new content. I'm currently still finishing clockwork on all my toons... Mind you I'm a shift worker and work days and nights rotating at lest 60 hours a week... Some weeks 80. I want to do newer content but I just don't have the time. And I know I'm not the only person.

Nemesis7884 · March 2019

account wide guild skill lines and achievements...the dream.... and while this doesn't happen i continue to use the time to queue for dungeon runs...

Alucardo · March 2019

You know what I'd be happy with? Account-wide Undaunted and Alliance Skills (not the rank). That way PvPers don't have to grind boring af dungeons, and PvErs don't have to sit behind siege all day farming AP for war horn. You do it once, you're done. Go enjoy the type of game you want to play, not the type of game you feel forced into playing.

ruikkarikun · March 2019

WHY DO YOU LIKE TO GATHER SKYSHARDS OVER AND OVER AGAIN ON ANOTHER TOON?
Like rly, there is not any reason. Keep in minde I'm speaking about case when you are leveling more then 3 chars.

Tandor · March 2019

West1389 wrote: »

Yes I dont get how a option will hurt people. I keep asking and guess what never a answer.

That's because the answer's already been given many times before, both in this thread and the many others like it. Those supporting the proposal might want to keep bumping the thread but that doesn't mean that those opposing it see any benefit in doing so especially as it is a manifestly dead horse topic that has been flogged so many times before - and even more especially as the answer you seek has already been provided.

Essentially, the proposal is completely unnecessary as has been demonstrated many times here and elsewhere because characters are perfectly playable without the extra skill points that derive from skyshards and lorebooks, and it is based on the false premise that it is a quality of life improvement when in fact it is a major structural change to the gameplay. As such, it will take massive developer resources to change the system and that will impact on every player who feels those resources would be better spent on more important things including real quality of life improvements.

Supporters of the proposal argue that it would be optional, but there are two problems with that. First, that would necessitate the existence of two separate but easily switchable achievement and progression systems that would run alongside each other creating an even bigger drain on developer resources, and very likely impacting adversely on performance. Second, whenever these sorts of ideas are made optional in theory it turns out not to be so in practice if you group, as you will be instantly kicked from the group if you haven't taken advantage of this "optional" system.

There are other reasons why such a proposal would impact on other players, but reading the whole of this and other similar threads should give you a better understanding of why there is such opposition to it.

Taleof2Cities · March 2019

I'm both amazed and alarmed by how many players want an "instant level 50 character" that they could buy.

Super glad this is ESO ... and not "almost every other mmo".

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

To my knowledge, there was only one person on the planet that had 'beat the game' prior to the latest DLC release.

The only individual that had every achievement in the game.

I, too, get a hearty laugh when players use the term "beat the game" ... when some only have the achievements related to the main quest line.

Tetrafy · April 2019

Well our voices were heard. Thanks Zenimax and Bethesda. Thread closed.

Prof_Bawbag · April 2019

I love reading threads like these. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, however, can't help but laugh at those that say something will never happen because it's been discussed many times over by forum users, so that's proof something will never happen. So yeah, it's always better to refrain from thinking because some people say something, it makes it a fact.

The only opinion that really matters are those making the game. Even then, ZoS have been known for changing tact too.

Tandor · April 2019

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I love reading threads like these. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, however, can't help but laugh at those that say something will never happen because it's been discussed many times over by forum users, so that's proof something will never happen. So yeah, it's always better to refrain from thinking because some people say something, it makes it a fact.

The only opinion that really matters are those making the game. Even then, ZoS have been known for changing tact too.

What people said was that skyshards and other achievements wouldn't be made account-wide, and they haven't been. What people warned was that if ZOS gave any ground at all on this it would be through the crown store, and it was.