Its the VR system they never removed.

Plain and simple CP is nothing more than the VR system without a unique character identifier.

All they removed is the UI and per character post 50 leveling individual from each other.....VR wasn't removed tho

thatlaurachick wrote: »

For new players who don't go to Max CP immediately when they hit 50? Ya know, people who still have to wear that armor until they hit 160?

Oh right, the only "real" players are max...nothing lower worth playing, yaddayadda. Learn the world is bigger than just you.

Those players are going to find much more benefit in just running picked up overworld gear for the 1-160 CP levels than they will wasting money having other players craft them gear for those levels. Because, lets face it, any number of open world sets are going to be far superior to the sets a player who hasn't even hit 160 will be able to craft.

Plus, I highly doubt a player who hasn't hit 160 will be able to craft any meaningful gear, let alone a full set of gear. It takes at least 2 traits on each armor piece to craft the lowest available gear and you then have to assume they began researching from day one and new exactly what they had to research. I doubt any sub 160CP player has 1 trait researched on each of the armor and weapon pieces they would need for their build and they need 2. On top of that, the 1-160 CP levels go by so fast to make it completely worthless to bother crafting sets in those levels.

Legacy stuff
They should've bound armor and weapon not to normal levels and CPs but to corresponding skill line. CPs should only be about Celestial points.
I doubt they gonna make it though, cause it requires loads and loads of work.

Make a single vet-level gear. Convert all CP160 items to that. Convert items, recipes CP10 - CP150 to L50, except materials which would be converted to their top-tier equivalents.

And here's the part everyone will hate: subtract 150 CP from every account. Leave the CP cap and scaling curve the same.

New player starts the game, hits Level 50, can get the same gear as a max-CP player.

Free reset of all skill and champion points when the patch drops.

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

What exactly is the point of even having CP 10-150 gear and the associated materials anymore? And do new players even worry about gear in these levels? Those I've talked to just stay in L50 or MAYBE CP10 Training gear until 160 so they can start working on the sets for their desired builds.

At this point, it's just useless garbage and wasted skill points in crafting trees. It would be nice if they could find a way to get rid of it.

Obviously, there would be a lot of technical difficulties to iron out, but it would eliminate bloat for seasoned players and grind for new players.

I've made MANY threads regarding the CP/Leveling system issue. There are inevitable ramifications due to ZOS handling of this system. Each time I've made these cases I've received community backlash for the proposed solution. So despite how the community may want change, when you propose it they tell you to get ***.

1) Leveled scaling exploits in PVE zones can potentially allow a optimal level of around 16 to beat a max CP PVP good geared build.

2) Levels (1-49) essentially have no purpose

3) Champion Points between 10-150 like you said are pointless gear wise.



#1 can be backed up by evidence, im not sure if ZOS has changed PVE zone scaling since then.

#2 Since scaled zones were introduced being level 3 is no harder to kill a mob of enemies than level 49. In fact, in some cases especially PVE lower level = higher scaling with optimal skills/gear/gameplay you can easily exploit this.

This also ties into after leveling past lvl49 all of your stats go to *** without the scaling in effect.



This is how a players leveling experience is. (even if they didn't know what they're doing)

In this mildy adequate graph, you can visualize the power of a player over the time they play. From levels 1 - 49 you're going to have good stats, with good gear since so many random sets drop now, but when you hti lvl 50 your scaling is gone or drastically reduced(not sure which since I cant revert to cp10-150). This makes the player feel as if they have been punished for all their hard work.

A good example I can think of is Kingdom Come. In that game it's almost borderline impossible at first, seems overwhelming and it seems extremely hard even if you manage to get some decent gear. As you progress throughout the game for the first time you learn how the combat system works and over time you get better and stronger in the game. This game gives the player a strong sense of "I'm a ***" but a few dozen hours later "I'm a badass" and that transitioning from *** to badass is what gives players a sense of accomplishment.


#3 ESO specifically tries to make it so once you've hit end game or max rank/lvl you keep it across all your new characters. So it from the foundation attempts to reduce player achievement. The leveling system it's self becomes an issue on two fronts. One side wants to experience the actually feeling of leveling up a character again, the other side just wants to get into their CP so they can level that up or get relevant gear drops.

So my argument has always been, remove the levels 1-49 and just throw players in at CP10 or CP160. Having a Leveling system allows CP players to hide their actual "level", and on top of the scaling effect they can become OP badasses in pve/pvpdueling. The leveling system is simply not useful nor needed. People who disagree with this always argue the same point, it's to help new players. No, just give lower CP scaling and make it so it's not exploitable in duels/PVE.

Pulque wrote: »

It was a legacy thing from transferring vr to cp. Since they already announce a cp reworked system, whether this 10-150 will remain t’is a question.

What the!?!?!?

Did you get early access to the Necromancer class?

150 is there so you accidentally craft a full set of gear in it and upgrade before you realize your 160 glyphs won't work and get really mad

Just a leftover cookie crumb that nobody cleaned up...

I know it seems arbitrary, but it's a video game and it's literally all arbitrary. It's all made up. Does it really matter?

So the real question is the value of the experience that one time, before you have a single CP160 alt, that you need to grind 1- to 160 cp and deal with the gear.
To me it is one of the last areas of the game where you feel progression, and I think it's kind of cool.
I got a second account, and with playing several alts (as well as the other alts on my main account), it's been slow going getting that one LVL 50 alt to slowly move up while dealing with gear issues. Kind of fun.

Just like it's fun the first and only time you take your first char from 1 - 50 with no cp.