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Should be Dueling In Towns be considered a Crime?
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TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes
Ah, but was it legal to do your duelling in the market square while people all around you were trying to get their shopping done, or were people required to go to special places where they would not bother innocent bystanders with their duelling???Dueling was legal here in the United States up until 1859 when 18 states outlawed it....even some of our presidents were in duels...so yeah, why should it be illegal in a game set much further back in time?
...because that is what this thread is about - not duelling in general, just duelling in town!!
And if you research a little about the Rules of a Duel, you may find that:
...and so much for history I suppose.The chief criteria for choosing the field of honor were isolation, to avoid discovery and interruption by the authorities; and jurisdictional ambiguity, to avoid legal consequences. Islands in rivers dividing two jurisdictions were popular dueling sites; the cliffs below Weehawken on the Hudson River where the Hamilton-Burr duel occurred were a popular field of honor for New York duellists because of the uncertainty whether New York or New Jersey jurisdiction applied. Duels traditionally took place at dawn, when the poor light would make the participants less likely to be seen, and to force an interval for reconsideration or sobering-up.
And yeah, even in times where it was completely legal to duel, they tended to have those duels in places off the public - because even when it -was- legal to do their best to kill each other in a duel, hitting a bystander by mistake was very dishonorable, and not protected from consequence under the code duello.
Some of those places were specifically prepared, like various practice halls and such. Others were more informal, like the "habitual" fields of honor. And some just met in the woods near the bridge and had it out there.
All options in ESO as well. 2 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭OtherI only wish there was a larger no duel diameter around wayshrines and undaunted enclaves - strictly for loading/performance reasons.2 -
Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭NoSorc pets are worse. You'd think the guards would not like the daedric beasts. Edited by Dojohoda on February 28, 2019 5:43PMFan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I would venture to guess that most of those who are dueling near crafting stations, outfit stations, bankers and wayshrines are not doing it because they want the best duels.
It's a form of trolling and attention seeking. How can they feel elite dueling if they don't have an unwilling audienceTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.6 -
josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoTheShadowScout wrote: »
Ah, but was it legal to do your duelling in the market square while people all around you were trying to get their shopping done, or were people required to go to special places where they would not bother innocent bystanders with their duelling???Dueling was legal here in the United States up until 1859 when 18 states outlawed it....even some of our presidents were in duels...so yeah, why should it be illegal in a game set much further back in time?
...because that is what this thread is about - not duelling in general, just duelling in town!!
And if you research a little about the Rules of a Duel, you may find that:
...and so much for history I suppose.The chief criteria for choosing the field of honor were isolation, to avoid discovery and interruption by the authorities; and jurisdictional ambiguity, to avoid legal consequences. Islands in rivers dividing two jurisdictions were popular dueling sites; the cliffs below Weehawken on the Hudson River where the Hamilton-Burr duel occurred were a popular field of honor for New York duellists because of the uncertainty whether New York or New Jersey jurisdiction applied. Duels traditionally took place at dawn, when the poor light would make the participants less likely to be seen, and to force an interval for reconsideration or sobering-up.
And yeah, even in times where it was completely legal to duel, they tended to have those duels in places off the public - because even when it -was- legal to do their best to kill each other in a duel, hitting a bystander by mistake was very dishonorable, and not protected from consequence under the code duello.
Some of those places were specifically prepared, like various practice halls and such. Others were more informal, like the "habitual" fields of honor. And some just met in the woods near the bridge and had it out there.
All options in ESO as well.
True enough...and that might apply if bystanders were able to be hit...but in the world of ESO, they arent, so that whole argument goes out the window. Besides, historically duels often had spectators anyway, regardless of how remote. I personally dont care where people duel in this game...I just dont spend that much time in towns anyway aside from repairing gear or crafting things.0 -
Hand_Bacon✭✭✭✭✭OtherOn one hand I'd like to see how much bounty the Montagues and Capulets would rack up, but on the other I don't.#AlmostGood@ESO1 -
UntilValhalla13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesAnytime I travel to a place like stonefalls, auridon, grahtwood, etc, it's always like a super long load screen. I never have to wonder why. As soon as I pop in, there's always like 10 people dueling on or around the wayshrines. Like, there's a literal dueling arena in stormhaven. Keep all of the lag away from major cities/hubs. It's bad enough as it is.6 -
theskymoves✭✭✭✭YesAnd doubly so near the wayshrine in Wayrest and in the Vivec City crafting area.
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TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes
Not so.TheShadowScout wrote: »
Ah, but was it legal to do your duelling in the market square while people all around you were trying to get their shopping done, or were people required to go to special places where they would not bother innocent bystanders with their duelling???Dueling was legal here in the United States up until 1859 when 18 states outlawed it....even some of our presidents were in duels...so yeah, why should it be illegal in a game set much further back in time?
...because that is what this thread is about - not duelling in general, just duelling in town!!
And if you research a little about the Rules of a Duel, you may find that:
...and so much for history I suppose.The chief criteria for choosing the field of honor were isolation, to avoid discovery and interruption by the authorities; and jurisdictional ambiguity, to avoid legal consequences. Islands in rivers dividing two jurisdictions were popular dueling sites; the cliffs below Weehawken on the Hudson River where the Hamilton-Burr duel occurred were a popular field of honor for New York duellists because of the uncertainty whether New York or New Jersey jurisdiction applied. Duels traditionally took place at dawn, when the poor light would make the participants less likely to be seen, and to force an interval for reconsideration or sobering-up.
And yeah, even in times where it was completely legal to duel, they tended to have those duels in places off the public - because even when it -was- legal to do their best to kill each other in a duel, hitting a bystander by mistake was very dishonorable, and not protected from consequence under the code duello.
Some of those places were specifically prepared, like various practice halls and such. Others were more informal, like the "habitual" fields of honor. And some just met in the woods near the bridge and had it out there.
All options in ESO as well.
True enough...and that might apply if bystanders were able to be hit...but in the world of ESO, they arent, so that whole argument goes out the window.
For one we are working with creating a pleasant illusion to enjoy, so even if you have "attacking innocents off" while you throw your spells around, it IS really grating for other people who just want to enjoy their elder scrolls storyline immersion...
...so in a way, the "bystanders you hit" are the moods of the other players who do not want to be disturbed by your duelling!
Also quite true. And several places out of towm -do- have the facilities do both duel, and spectate from a safe distance, most notable the whole frigging duelling arena in stormhaven... and there are a few other places where you can indulge in fighting without having to worry about wandering mobs... (though I suppose there -could- be more such places...)Besides, historically duels often had spectators anyway, regardless of how remote. 0 -
Grandma✭✭✭✭✭Yesit never will be but it'd be nice. Keep it to the undaunted areas and maybe make some community hubs for dueling. I'm sick of random *** running around trying to duel pve specced people in the middle of a busy city. Like, jesus, we don't care how big you want your *** to be, just stop.GH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer3 -
Karius_Imalthar✭✭✭✭✭OtherGuards could approach and break it up for disturbing the peace. Also, as other people have pointed out, there are actual arenas in the game that there is no incentive to use.Edited by Karius_Imalthar on February 28, 2019 10:51PM0 -
Castagere✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesI usually go to town to socialize or shop. To have these fools dancing around all over the place is just so stupid and they just want the attention. But it would fit the TES lore to have it a crime to have duels in the streets. Would love to see guards wipe these guys out.0 -
Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭OtherIt's highly entertaining when duelers forget to turn on "prevent attacking innocents" before dueling and subsequently get killed by guards.
I giggle every time.
Edited by Tabbycat on February 28, 2019 11:08PMFounder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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Smasherx74✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesEveryone who's serious about dueling duels outside of the major cities/towns, mainly in stormhaven by the Undaunted people a little ways down the road. All these people fight outside the city which makes lore-ish sense i guess. So adding this would be great.Master Debater1 -
russelmmendoza✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI wish I could throw my gauntlet or gloves or handkerchief to someones face to challenge them to a duel.
So that if they dont pick it up npc's will know they are a coward.
Then npc's boo's and insults them, lol.0 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If it irritates me, yes, it should be bannable.
So long petsorcs and petwardens.0 -
Arato✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesThis is one of the reasons why I didn't want dueling in the game to begin with because I know people always feel like they have to have an audience to show off to (even one that doesn't care or is annoyed by their "spectacle") so they always pick the most busy part of towns to duel at, like right at wayshrines to spam with particle effects and lag. I've always thought it broke immersion for guards to be perfectly okay with people dueling in the streets of a town despite it "disturbing the peace"
so yes, let it be a crime with a bounty, they'll find somewhere else to duel they can organize on the forums and have little dueling leagues at someone's notable house or something. Sorry duelers, your "1337" pvp skillz aren't so impressive that we all have to watch you.2 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Even Rich said in a recent eso live, “maybe don’t duel in towns”Edited by max_only on March 1, 2019 3:53AM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OtherIf it irritates me, yes, it should be bannable.
So long petsorcs and petwardens.
Mostly I agree with your posts. In this case.... PTHBBT!Hand_Bacon wrote: »On one hand I'd like to see how much bounty the Montagues and Capulets would rack up, but on the other I don't.
Yeah. Last time I saw the play (on stage at Utah Shakespearean Festival) it was.... frantic. I said to husband and the friends we were with "jeez.... could any city deal with that kind of mayhem all the time?" Of course, the Bard did tend to exaggeration to make his points. And equally of course, the director chooses how to present the play....
But still....Edited by Sylvermynx on March 1, 2019 3:06AM0 -
Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭YesPersonally I dont think theres anything wrong with keeping duels outside of the city walls.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax2
