Prejudice Against Bearded Ladies in ESO
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Strychnos✭✭✭I’m always boggled by people who don’t want “biologically unlikely” things like bearded women in a FANTASY game. Pretty much everything in TES is biologically unlikely. We’ve got lizards uplifted by psychic trees and literal magic, but somehow people can’t suspend their disbelief for a lady with a beard?
I’d love it if cosmetics weren’t gender locked, it would give us more creative options for our characters. Shouldn’t lady Khajiit be able to have a beard? They’re already covered in fur!lvl50 Characters:
Toxlexel (Argonian Templar PvE Healer, EP)
Grove-of-Trees-Swaying (Argonian Vampire NB PvE Tank, EP)
Kazabi-daro (Khajiit DK PvE DPS, AD)- build under renovationIroas Candaalil (Maormer [Dunmer] PvE Sorc DPS, EP, vMA build)- build under renovation
Trick-of-the-Light(Argonian Warden PvE Healer, EP)
Characters being leveled:
Meera-Ei (Argonian DK PvP Tank, EP, Grove's sister)5 -
Nerouyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »That's because the act of a pervy person being against seeing other female toons in game with a beard because they find it personally disgusting because they don't want to see ladies with that option is an act of misogyny.
Possibly it's true of a small number. But for most who disapprove it will simply be a matter of social norms for male / female appearance. That's all.
Humans aren't raised in a vacuum. They absorb a tonne of 'information' - not all of it reliable or especially nice - from their parents, peers and broader society. Much of it will be wrong and they'll never question it. Eg. many notions about gender.0 -
HappyLittleTree✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's 2019 they should remove genderlock on hairstyles and adornments.
Some of the male ones could fit females great and vice versa.
Thuu chakkuth lod Hajhiit c’oo? Hajhiit gortsuquth gorihuth thuu gooluthduj thdeitoluu!
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HappyLittleTree✭✭✭✭✭
✭Heck...Even THE SIMS has that option now^^Thuu chakkuth lod Hajhiit c’oo? Hajhiit gortsuquth gorihuth thuu gooluthduj thdeitoluu!
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Nerouyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HappyLittleTree wrote: »It's 2019 they should remove genderlock on hairstyles and adornments.
Some of the male ones could fit females great and vice versa.
I don't particularly want any of the female hairstyles but maybe there are some which could work for male characters. Most of the male ones are, well kind of awful really. There's only a few I'd use. It's one of the reasons I've never bothered to buy the hair pack.
I don't have any female characters but I've tested them in the character creator. They get much nicer hairstyles.0 -
Michae✭✭✭✭✭
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Hey, if this is possible then there should be no problem with bearded women. You don't want to use it then you don't have to but the more options the better. Power to the people!Edited by Michae on February 28, 2019 8:39AM"I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
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Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well I can understand "wearing" something. As it is you know... clothing. If I want I can dress up to look like a pirate, robot or anything. The "wedding dress" also will do for a "costume party"
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As for the facial hair... We don't really know if those are a part of artificial makeup too...Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on February 28, 2019 8:44AM0 -
Ash_In_My_Sujamma✭✭✭✭✭Because wearing a wedding dress requires no testosterone? Because your female Redguard doesn't suffer from hirsutism? Because you can grow a beard but you can't grow a wedding dress? Because beads can wedding dress but wedding dresses can't beard? I only see prejudice against wedding dresses. And that's raisins!
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Michae✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »Because wearing a wedding dress requires no testosterone? Because your female Redguard doesn't suffer from hirsutism? Because you can grow a beard but you can't grow a wedding dress? Because beads can wedding dress but wedding dresses can't beard? I only see prejudice against wedding dresses. And that's raisins!
Because women can put on fake beards?
As for hirsutism, why not? I know plenty of women irl with quite fab moustaches. And one that can grow a beard. No problem here.Edited by Michae on February 28, 2019 8:59AM"I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
―Sotha Sil
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Ash_In_My_Sujamma✭✭✭✭✭Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »Because wearing a wedding dress requires no testosterone? Because your female Redguard doesn't suffer from hirsutism? Because you can grow a beard but you can't grow a wedding dress? Because beads can wedding dress but wedding dresses can't beard? I only see prejudice against wedding dresses. And that's raisins!
Because women can put on fake beards?
But can fake beards put on women? Also what fake beards are you talking about? My orc's beard is 100% natural human hair!0 -
Michae✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »Because wearing a wedding dress requires no testosterone? Because your female Redguard doesn't suffer from hirsutism? Because you can grow a beard but you can't grow a wedding dress? Because beads can wedding dress but wedding dresses can't beard? I only see prejudice against wedding dresses. And that's raisins!
Because women can put on fake beards?
But can fake beards put on women? Also what fake beards are you talking about? My orc's beard is 100% natural human hair!
But can wedding dresses wear Orcs? Checkmate atheists!Edited by Michae on February 28, 2019 9:04AM"I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
―Sotha Sil
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Thevampirenight✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭An awesome example of a woman growing a beard. I remember this scene from this movie. I own it its been many years since I last seen it. But yeah it was interesting to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms1VlT0JOxM Edited by Thevampirenight on February 28, 2019 9:36AMPC NA
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Thevampirenight✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is possible for women to have beards. Some women can in fact have full beards. I do like how this lady in this video below, has turned it into a positive thing after being bullied when she was a teenager. I would not mind having the option to have a female with a impressive beard like that. Might make things very interesting. It is impressive some folks can rise above stigma and show insperation for people around them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearded_lady
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiKS39fYiYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3gQyHem7cg Edited by Thevampirenight on February 28, 2019 9:32AMPC NA
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Ash_In_My_Sujamma✭✭✭✭✭
I am sure they are enjoying their hormonal condition. Also "fab" is not the word I would choose to describe a swashbuckler on a lady. Or the word I would use to describe any hormonal condition whatsoever. But hey! Cosmetics!As for hirsutism, why not? I know plenty of women irl with quite fab moustaches. And one that can grow a beard. No problem here.0 -
Michae✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »
I am sure they are enjoying their hormonal condition. Also "fab" is not the word I would choose to describe a swashbuckler on a lady. Or the word I would use to describe any hormonal condition whatsoever. But hey! Cosmetics!As for hirsutism, why not? I know plenty of women irl with quite fab moustaches. And one that can grow a beard. No problem here.
As seen above some women do embrace their swashbuckling side. And who are we to deny them that in ESO?"I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
―Sotha Sil
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Ash_In_My_Sujamma✭✭✭✭✭Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »
I am sure they are enjoying their hormonal condition. Also "fab" is not the word I would choose to describe a swashbuckler on a lady. Or the word I would use to describe any hormonal condition whatsoever. But hey! Cosmetics!As for hirsutism, why not? I know plenty of women irl with quite fab moustaches. And one that can grow a beard. No problem here.
As seen above some women do embrace their swashbuckling side. And who are we to deny them that in ESO?
"Embrace". I believe what you mean is "learn to live with". Beacause at the end of the day hirsutism for women is a hormonal condition not a fashion trend. And maybe some people find a way to adapt this condition into their life but some others don't. What this is about is a fashion adornment in a video game not a justification for redefining social norms. But I am sure your female bearded character will raise a lot of awarness for people with hirsutism.
Personally I don't care what kind of cosmetic you can put on your character. And I would love to see every kind of adornment combination possible. But what I don't like is the use of strong words like "prejudice" and some people pretending that this is a social issue and play social justice warrior on a video game. Just treat it like it is and be real to others and yourselves.3 -
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✭✭Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »
I am sure they are enjoying their hormonal condition. Also "fab" is not the word I would choose to describe a swashbuckler on a lady. Or the word I would use to describe any hormonal condition whatsoever. But hey! Cosmetics!As for hirsutism, why not? I know plenty of women irl with quite fab moustaches. And one that can grow a beard. No problem here.
As seen above some women do embrace their swashbuckling side. And who are we to deny them that in ESO?
"Embrace". I believe what you mean is "learn to live with". Beacause at the end of the day hirsutism for women is a hormonal condition not a fashion trend. And maybe some people find a way to adapt this condition into their life but some others don't. What this is about is a fashion adornment in a video game not a justification for redefining social norms. But I am sure your female bearded character will raise a lot of awarness for people with hirsutism.
Personally I don't care what kind of cosmetic you can put on your character. And I would love to see every kind of adornment combination possible. But what I don't like is the use of strong words like "prejudice" and some people pretending that this is a social issue and play social justice warrior on a video game. Just treat it like it is and be real to others and yourselves.
Sheesh man, I'm just joking around and I never said anything about prejudice. And I doubt that OP was serious with this either. The point is this is a fantasy game. We have guys in dresses so why not have ladies with beards? Or guys with feminine hairstyles? I don't personally crave for playing as a bearded lady. But who am I to say someone else how to play? It's not a big issue but this is what this thread is about. Ladies with beards. And I'm jokingly providing arguments as I find the rebuttals in form of "it's not realistic" or "it's against societal norms" silly in a fantasy game where there are burly orcs in pink dresses running around. No need to get pissy in a joke thread.
Edit: Some spelling errors.Edited by Michae on February 28, 2019 10:49AM"I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
―Sotha Sil
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Eyllora✭✭✭I'd really like to be able to have a bearded female character, especially for the one who is so bad at Alchemy. Wouldn't be a surprise if this character would fail a potion so badly that she would get some after effects :-) Cos yes this is a fantasy game, and this wouldn't make less sense that many other things happening in Tamriel !Edited by Eyllora on February 28, 2019 10:18AM2 -
albesca✭✭✭✭✭I'm honestly torn on this: on the one hand I think it would be good to unlock all the styles for both genders to allow greater freedom in character creation, on the other hand I dread the freak show that this would turn Tamriel into (we already have our fair share of drag queens).
That said, I generally don't pay that much attention to other characters, unless I'm crafting or browsing shops/bank and somebody comes into my field of viewPC EU
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Michae✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm honestly torn on this: on the one hand I think it would be good to unlock all the styles for both genders to allow greater freedom in character creation, on the other hand I dread the freak show that this would turn Tamriel into (we already have our fair share of drag queens).
That said, I generally don't pay that much attention to other characters, unless I'm crafting or browsing shops/bank and somebody comes into my field of view
I don't think it would be much "worse". Personally I don't mind. I find most shiny armours and mounts lore breaking anyway so a few bearded women shouldn't be that bad really. "I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
―Sotha Sil
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albesca✭✭✭✭✭I don't think it would be much "worse". Personally I don't mind. I find most shiny armours and mounts lore breaking anyway so a few bearded women shouldn't be that bad really.
I really don't mind either, and I agree that the flashier mounts (and the host of vampire going around in broad light, in my opinion) are a worse problem than the occasional moustache on an altmer lady's facePC EU
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Axmouth✭✭I want a fleshy cape with cape physics, since unlikely biological things are not a problem. And a slider for how many arms.
Maybe fake beards could work, but it's definitely not important enough to consider over other things.1 -
Michae✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I want a fleshy cape with cape physics, since unlikely biological things are not a problem. And a slider for how many arms.
Maybe fake beards could work, but it's definitely not important enough to consider over other things.
Heh, way to hyperbolise that. Beards are much more common biologically than fleshy capes or extra arms. And you can wear fake ones."I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
―Sotha Sil
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Axmouth✭✭I want a fleshy cape with cape physics, since unlikely biological things are not a problem. And a slider for how many arms.
Maybe fake beards could work, but it's definitely not important enough to consider over other things.
Heh, way to hyperbolise that. Beards are much more common biologically than fleshy capes or extra arms. And you can wear fake ones.
I specifically mentioned wearing them. But there's lots more things are actually more common and not included, so you'd have a huge list to overcome till you get there, to the point it's quite unneeded.
I can also wear fake capes,here are those? They certainly are more common. And I'm sure many more would be interested in those.0 -
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✭✭I want a fleshy cape with cape physics, since unlikely biological things are not a problem. And a slider for how many arms.
Maybe fake beards could work, but it's definitely not important enough to consider over other things.
Heh, way to hyperbolise that. Beards are much more common biologically than fleshy capes or extra arms. And you can wear fake ones.
I specifically mentioned wearing them. But there's lots more things are actually more common and not included, so you'd have a huge list to overcome till you get there, to the point it's quite unneeded.
I can also wear fake capes,here are those? They certainly are more common. And I'm sure many more would be interested in those.
Sure they would. Make a topic about it.
EDIT: I was editing my response and in the meantime few people answered. Sorry for that. I'll just post it in another comment.Edited by Michae on February 28, 2019 11:41AM"I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
―Sotha Sil
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✭I think the restrictions on all adornments and hairstyles should be removed. Why can my female characters wear stuff like a braided leather circlet, but not my male ones? We can put all the ridiculous crown store make-up on anyone, so why not bearded ladies and guys with fancy earings? It's not going to cause everyone in tamriel to become some kind of sideshow freak with extra limbs growing out their head like people here want to believe. It'll just increase character diversity even more.2 -
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✭Talking lizards with boobs...
That's sad to gender lock some cosmetics. Some female hair would look good on male characters. Facial hair on women would look weird but why not if the character model can handle it. It should at least be available with the cosmetic packs after the character creation.Edited by Elwendryll on February 28, 2019 11:37AMPC - EU - France - AD
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✭✭I really don't mind either, and I agree that the flashier mounts (and the host of vampire going around in broad light, in my opinion) are a worse problem than the occasional moustache on an altmer lady's face
Agree on both counts and will confess to being one of those appalling vampires.
Not because I especially want to but Summerset - which should be especially hostile to vampires - is the most convenient location to do crafting writs and even if you wear a hood, the game inexplicably removes it while crafting things. Which I find weird so I just leave it off.
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