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TOTAL DARK IS UTTERLY BROKEN
RouDeR
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This cancerous skill is hitting for 4 000 freaking damage PER TICK on a Heavy armor DK,
I Just was in a BG match against 2 templars which were abusing the sh*t out of this skill, the *** is wrong with this broken patch
I Just was in a BG match against 2 templars which were abusing the sh*t out of this skill, the *** is wrong with this broken patch
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ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is third post I’ve seen where someone is complaining about erroneously high damage in BG.
I too have noticed.7 -
Toc de Malsvi✭✭✭✭✭
✭I thought it had been this way for awhile. I have seen pretty regular 3600 is ticks with around 28k resistance in medium. Its a death sentence on a DK if you have spiked armor as it procs off their light attacks without you needing to attack.Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..4 -
Vandril✭✭✭✭I don't know about the damage changes in BG (or if there have been any), but I haven't done a BG since the patch yet.
But in case you don't know, Total Dark doesn't tick. It's not a DoT ability. It deals damage to you when you attack a target while it's applied to you (and also heals that target). If you don't attack while it's on you, it does no damage. In addition, it's considered a CC, is effected by CC immunity, and, if I remember correctly, can be dispelled by using Break Free.
It's a commonly misunderstood ability, so I'm just putting this out there.37 -
Mrsinister2✭✭✭✭✭If your running volitile armour on a dk the damage return from that procs total dark so you take a ton of damage as a dk when total dark in on you.
I've never tested this but others have said it and dk's that don't break the bubble do seem to die really quick.4 -
CyrusArya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Literally all you have to do is CC break or not attack when Total Dark is up. Learn the mechanics of the skill before making posts like this. Threads like this are what’s wrong with the forums.
That being said the skill is especially punitive towards DKs since volatile armor damage return is coded as direct damage. That should possibly be looked at and volatile be coded instead as a DoT. The issue in this scenario tho is the interaction between volatile and Total Dark, not the latter being OP. Timely CC breaks will still mitigate the damage.
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Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hmm....maybe a combat tip should be added saying "When Total Dark is applied, be sure to CC Break". That should help the situation. There's already a good one advising not to stand in Novas.Edited by Sandman929 on February 26, 2019 6:19PM4 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Good luck when it bugs out and been put on you when you're already CC immune. Enjoy the rest of the duration doing double damage to you.
It's a BS skill that's only effective against tards and Volatile Armour.PC EU1 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭L2P issue. Just CC break. Has always been like this.Edited by Skwor on February 26, 2019 6:26PM15 -
RouDeR✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dudes the problem is not the skill staying on someone for 1 or 5 seconds, the problem is that it hits like a FREAKING ULTIMATE,
I play Bgs since day one of morrowind and i`ve never seen the damage of this skill to thick for more than 1500-2000 damage
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Sergykid✭✭✭✭✭
✭exaggeration, only glass cannons can achieve 3k total dark ticks on a full tank.
also, this is one of the only spells that make templar viable. And is not broken at all, compare it to any other ability, really. This is also dispellable even by breaking free.-PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube7 -
Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dudes the problem is not the skill staying on someone for 1 or 5 seconds, the problem is that it hits like a FREAKING ULTIMATE,
I play Bgs since day one of morrowind and i`ve never seen the damage of this skill to thick for more than 1500-2000 damage
I really haven't noticed it hit exceptionally hard. Record it and then people, including ZOS, can take a look.2 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭exaggeration, only glass cannons can achieve 3k total dark ticks on a full tank.
also, this is one of the only spells that make templar viable. And is not broken at all, compare it to any other ability, really. This is also dispellable even by breaking free.
There have been a lot of records about a general damage increase in BGs after the patch hit. If you think about siege being through the roof as well too it’s easy to assume something is fundamentally broken with PvP damage calculation.
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Vandril✭✭✭✭Mrsinister2 wrote: »If your running volitile armour on a dk the damage return from that procs total dark so you take a ton of damage as a dk when total dark in on you.
Oh my. I never thought of that.0 -
InvictusApollo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Almost every templar build that I have seen on the Internet had this ability slotted. So I slotted it and used it. And it's useless un les you are a newbie who doesnt know that you can just CC break it.3 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What Skwor said "L2P issue. Just CC break. Has always been like this"
As everyone has said learn the proper counters before posting misleading nerf threads because this is and easy skill to deal with, smh.Edited by Girl_Number8 on February 26, 2019 7:07PM3 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭l2 cc break, dawg. Total dark is like dk wings, except you can cc break and make the "wings" go away.
I rarely use it because it's mostly just effective against bad player. Only do so against dot builds, and dks because they pretty much reflect any other form of cc.Edited by MaxJrFTW on February 26, 2019 7:08PM"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭InvictusApollo wrote: »Almost every templar build that I have seen on the Internet had this ability slotted. So I slotted it and used it. And it's useless un les you are a newbie who doesnt know that you can just CC break it.
I don't think it's useless, the point is to make them CC break and spend stamina doing so. If they don't the damage should be punishing enough to matter.2 -
RouDeR✭✭✭✭✭
✭And again, 2 templars in a team spam this ***, one is not even morphed yet.
By the time break free i get instant 10k damage just from those 2 skills... i play pvp for 3 years now, and have never had an issue against pple using this skill in bgs, because its damage was not that high and had time to react.
Edited by RouDeR on February 26, 2019 7:45PM1 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And again, 2 templars in a team spam this ***, one is not even morphed yet.
By the time break free i get instant 10k damage just from those 2 skills... i play pvp for 3 years now, and have never had an issue against pple using this skill in bgs, because its damage was not that high and had time to react.
you died to unstable core not total dark. First dmg was you hitting yourself, second was the AOE burst.
First dmg is higher (was buffed in clockwork city by 67% to account with a weird GCD mechanic).
CC break, reposition, heal. As Arya said, the DK armor is mistakenly procing the ability.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭As a magblade, I want a total dark to place on Mr Flappy.
J/K, please overlook and carry on.Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭Does spiked armor damage return still procs total dark? because thats just not fair1
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Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As a magblade, I want a total dark to place on Mr Flappy.
J/K, please overlook and carry on.
This really sounds interesting, does this even work?
A DK with wings is struck with Eclipse. Now someone fires a projectile at the DK, it gets reflected and the DK gets damage from Eclipse?PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
itscompton✭✭✭✭✭
✭InvictusApollo wrote: »Almost every templar build that I have seen on the Internet had this ability slotted. So I slotted it and used it. And it's useless un les you are a newbie who doesnt know that you can just CC break it.
It works against better players as well, you just need to be smarter about when you put it on them. It's best saved for when you yourself get to low health. At that point most people will push to get the kill and a Total Dark in the middle of their attempted burst to finish you can fill your health back up while taking them to low health.
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✭✭✭Hmm. Time to slot Total Dark again. Apply to any DK with spikes and/or wings. Many thanks for the advice!
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Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »As a magblade, I want a total dark to place on Mr Flappy.
J/K, please overlook and carry on.
This really sounds interesting, does this even work?
A DK with wings is struck with Eclipse. Now someone fires a projectile at the DK, it gets reflected and the DK gets damage from Eclipse?
Bingo!
Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Literally all you have to do is CC break or not attack when Total Dark is up. Learn the mechanics of the skill before making posts like this. Threads like this are what’s wrong with the forums.
That being said the skill is especially punitive towards DKs since volatile armor damage return is coded as direct damage. That should possibly be looked at and volatile be coded instead as a DoT. The issue in this scenario tho is the interaction between volatile and Total Dark, not the latter being OP. Timely CC breaks will still mitigate the damage.
What's funny is that the proc portion of Dk Volatile/Hardened IS considered a DOT also (it procs Skoria). It's not the players who don't understand the game, it's ZOS. There are inconsistencies like this all over the place.5 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »As a magblade, I want a total dark to place on Mr Flappy.
J/K, please overlook and carry on.
This really sounds interesting, does this even work?
A DK with wings is struck with Eclipse. Now someone fires a projectile at the DK, it gets reflected and the DK gets damage from Eclipse?
Bingo!
The question is if this is already working or if this is wishful thinking?PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
Toc de Malsvi✭✭✭✭✭
✭"Just CC break". LOL. You mean spam CC break while my character stands there doing nothing before dying in the inevitable burst combo?And again, 2 templars in a team spam this ***, one is not even morphed yet.
By the time break free i get instant 10k damage just from those 2 skills... i play pvp for 3 years now, and have never had an issue against pple using this skill in bgs, because its damage was not that high and had time to react.
you died to unstable core not total dark. First dmg was you hitting yourself, second was the AOE burst.
First dmg is higher (was buffed in clockwork city by 67% to account with a weird GCD mechanic).
CC break, reposition, heal. As Arya said, the DK armor is mistakenly procing the ability.
... Yes Arya was the first person to point that out in this thread...
But I guess the other two posts were just glossed over.Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..0 -
Neoauspex✭✭✭✭✭
✭Toc de Malsvi wrote: »"Just CC break". LOL. You mean spam CC break while my character stands there doing nothing before dying in the inevitable burst combo?And again, 2 templars in a team spam this ***, one is not even morphed yet.
By the time break free i get instant 10k damage just from those 2 skills... i play pvp for 3 years now, and have never had an issue against pple using this skill in bgs, because its damage was not that high and had time to react.
you died to unstable core not total dark. First dmg was you hitting yourself, second was the AOE burst.
First dmg is higher (was buffed in clockwork city by 67% to account with a weird GCD mechanic).
CC break, reposition, heal. As Arya said, the DK armor is mistakenly procing the ability.
... Yes Arya was the first person to point that out in this thread...
But I guess the other two posts were just glossed over.
This is one of the least broken CCs in the game in terms of being able to break it. The difference is you have to wait for your gcd to cool down, unlike a hard CC that resets your gcd.4