Don't you know it is all skill. A person executing 5 combos in 2 milliseconds could not posibly be a macro
https://youtu.be/Fsm02JosN2sOreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Not everyone that killed you is using a macro or cheat engine. Some people are just better than you. A long macro (5-8 skills as you describe) in the lag fest that is Cyrodiil is likely a death sentence. I am not saying there arent people that use them here and there, but most good players would absolutely refuse to be locked into a sequence of events like that.
Even a macro for something simple like a LA/weave is absolutely terrible even in a stable PVE environment. I have messed around with them a fair amount in the privacy of my own test dummy. I have never been able to use macros to achieve better results than what my fingers can do on their own.
FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Not everyone that killed you is using a macro or cheat engine. Some people are just better than you. A long macro (5-8 skills as you describe) in the lag fest that is Cyrodiil is likely a death sentence. I am not saying there arent people that use them here and there, but most good players would absolutely refuse to be locked into a sequence of events like that.
Even a macro for something simple like a LA/weave is absolutely terrible even in a stable PVE environment. I have messed around with them a fair amount in the privacy of my own test dummy. I have never been able to use macros to achieve better results than what my fingers can do on their own.
Under sub 80 m/s instances? I high doubt this to be the case. If you disagree show me a human on video with his screen and hands preforming the same 5 or more multi combo routine in under a sec. Consistently without error under sub 80 m/s conditions.
I do fight players who are simply better them me. I shake them off and aim to improve myself to be better than them. They are not the issue.
There is a reason this is only a rampant thing in ESO, and no other MMO or RPG that has Action combat system.
FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Not everyone that killed you is using a macro or cheat engine. Some people are just better than you. A long macro (5-8 skills as you describe) in the lag fest that is Cyrodiil is likely a death sentence. I am not saying there arent people that use them here and there, but most good players would absolutely refuse to be locked into a sequence of events like that.
Even a macro for something simple like a LA/weave is absolutely terrible even in a stable PVE environment. I have messed around with them a fair amount in the privacy of my own test dummy. I have never been able to use macros to achieve better results than what my fingers can do on their own.
Under sub 80 m/s instances? I high doubt this to be the case. If you disagree show me a human on video with his screen and hands preforming the same 5 or more multi combo routine in under a sec. Consistently without error under sub 80 m/s conditions.
I do fight players who are simply better them me. I shake them off and aim to improve myself to be better than them. They are not the issue.
There is a reason this is only a rampant thing in ESO, and no other MMO or RPG that has Action combat system.
So they are bypassing the global cooldown and using 5 skills in 1 sec? or are 5 skills hitting you in 1 sec?
FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Not everyone that killed you is using a macro or cheat engine. Some people are just better than you. A long macro (5-8 skills as you describe) in the lag fest that is Cyrodiil is likely a death sentence. I am not saying there arent people that use them here and there, but most good players would absolutely refuse to be locked into a sequence of events like that.
Even a macro for something simple like a LA/weave is absolutely terrible even in a stable PVE environment. I have messed around with them a fair amount in the privacy of my own test dummy. I have never been able to use macros to achieve better results than what my fingers can do on their own.
Under sub 80 m/s instances? I high doubt this to be the case. If you disagree show me a human on video with his screen and hands preforming the same 5 or more multi combo routine in under a sec. Consistently without error under sub 80 m/s conditions.
I do fight players who are simply better them me. I shake them off and aim to improve myself to be better than them. They are not the issue.
There is a reason this is only a rampant thing in ESO, and no other MMO or RPG that has Action combat system.
So they are bypassing the global cooldown and using 5 skills in 1 sec? or are 5 skills hitting you in 1 sec?
Under non lag conditions sub 120 m/s.(Which is most of my PvP experience in ESO) I suspect that they have found a way to bypass the global cooldown. Which can be done with macro software and or CE.
Under lag conditions, 200 m/s and up, I think it's just the server going haywire.
FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Not everyone that killed you is using a macro or cheat engine. Some people are just better than you. A long macro (5-8 skills as you describe) in the lag fest that is Cyrodiil is likely a death sentence. I am not saying there arent people that use them here and there, but most good players would absolutely refuse to be locked into a sequence of events like that.
Even a macro for something simple like a LA/weave is absolutely terrible even in a stable PVE environment. I have messed around with them a fair amount in the privacy of my own test dummy. I have never been able to use macros to achieve better results than what my fingers can do on their own.
Under sub 80 m/s instances? I high doubt this to be the case. If you disagree show me a human on video with his screen and hands preforming the same 5 or more multi combo routine in under a sec. Consistently without error under sub 80 m/s conditions.
I do fight players who are simply better them me. I shake them off and aim to improve myself to be better than them. They are not the issue.
There is a reason this is only a rampant thing in ESO, and no other MMO or RPG that has Action combat system.
FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Not everyone that killed you is using a macro or cheat engine. Some people are just better than you. A long macro (5-8 skills as you describe) in the lag fest that is Cyrodiil is likely a death sentence. I am not saying there arent people that use them here and there, but most good players would absolutely refuse to be locked into a sequence of events like that.
Even a macro for something simple like a LA/weave is absolutely terrible even in a stable PVE environment. I have messed around with them a fair amount in the privacy of my own test dummy. I have never been able to use macros to achieve better results than what my fingers can do on their own.
Under sub 80 m/s instances? I high doubt this to be the case. If you disagree show me a human on video with his screen and hands preforming the same 5 or more multi combo routine in under a sec. Consistently without error under sub 80 m/s conditions.
I do fight players who are simply better them me. I shake them off and aim to improve myself to be better than them. They are not the issue.
There is a reason this is only a rampant thing in ESO, and no other MMO or RPG that has Action combat system.
So they are bypassing the global cooldown and using 5 skills in 1 sec? or are 5 skills hitting you in 1 sec?
Under non lag conditions sub 120 m/s.(Which is most of my PvP experience in ESO) I suspect that they have found a way to bypass the global cooldown. Which can be done with macro software and or CE.
Under lag conditions, 200 m/s and up, I think it's just the server going haywire.
Ah in that case, I believe most people are against being able to bypass the global cooldown. It was unclear in your original post what exactly was the issue you were complaining about.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Not everyone that killed you is using a macro or cheat engine. Some people are just better than you. A long macro (5-8 skills as you describe) in the lag fest that is Cyrodiil is likely a death sentence. I am not saying there arent people that use them here and there, but most good players would absolutely refuse to be locked into a sequence of events like that.
Even a macro for something simple like a LA/weave is absolutely terrible even in a stable PVE environment. I have messed around with them a fair amount in the privacy of my own test dummy. I have never been able to use macros to achieve better results than what my fingers can do on their own.
Under sub 80 m/s instances? I high doubt this to be the case. If you disagree show me a human on video with his screen and hands preforming the same 5 or more multi combo routine in under a sec. Consistently without error under sub 80 m/s conditions.
I do fight players who are simply better them me. I shake them off and aim to improve myself to be better than them. They are not the issue.
There is a reason this is only a rampant thing in ESO, and no other MMO or RPG that has Action combat system.
This doesnt even make sense. There is no scenario where pressing 5 buttons in under a second is going to benefit you in any way. Macros dont allow you to bypass global cooldowns. You cant fire more than one ability per second unless you are using a cheat engine, which is clearly against TOS. A lag spike at the wrong time can cause multiple things at once, but that is what it is. Certain skills with travel times can be combined to make it feel like 2 things are hitting at once, but that's about it.
Even if you did writ the perfect macro script to weave 5 abilities with light attacks in under a second, it wouldnt do anything.
Edit: as to those that hop around while doing this, what does that have to do with anything? If you use different fingers for jump, weapon swap, abilities, and light attacks, one has nothing to do with the other. Jumps are independent of global cooldowns as far as I know.
FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Not everyone that killed you is using a macro or cheat engine. Some people are just better than you. A long macro (5-8 skills as you describe) in the lag fest that is Cyrodiil is likely a death sentence. I am not saying there arent people that use them here and there, but most good players would absolutely refuse to be locked into a sequence of events like that.
Even a macro for something simple like a LA/weave is absolutely terrible even in a stable PVE environment. I have messed around with them a fair amount in the privacy of my own test dummy. I have never been able to use macros to achieve better results than what my fingers can do on their own.
Under sub 80 m/s instances? I high doubt this to be the case. If you disagree show me a human on video with his screen and hands preforming the same 5 or more multi combo routine in under a sec. Consistently without error under sub 80 m/s conditions.
I do fight players who are simply better them me. I shake them off and aim to improve myself to be better than them. They are not the issue.
There is a reason this is only a rampant thing in ESO, and no other MMO or RPG that has Action combat system.
This doesnt even make sense. There is no scenario where pressing 5 buttons in under a second is going to benefit you in any way. Macros dont allow you to bypass global cooldowns. You cant fire more than one ability per second unless you are using a cheat engine, which is clearly against TOS. A lag spike at the wrong time can cause multiple things at once, but that is what it is. Certain skills with travel times can be combined to make it feel like 2 things are hitting at once, but that's about it.
Even if you did writ the perfect macro script to weave 5 abilities with light attacks in under a second, it wouldnt do anything.
Edit: as to those that hop around while doing this, what does that have to do with anything? If you use different fingers for jump, weapon swap, abilities, and light attacks, one has nothing to do with the other. Jumps are independent of global cooldowns as far as I know.
So you are seriously saying that being able to hit players with 5 abilities. While light attacking and jumping around all at the same time in perfect synchronization. Doesn't do anything in a PvP situation? What!? Come again?
InvictusApollo wrote: »I have spent a lot of time practicing my weaving but personally I have nothing against people using macros. This is a game. If someone wants to make it easier for themselves it's his call and I have no right to tell anyone how he should play his game.
As for macros in pvp there are cooldowns for LA and abilities which means that it doesnt matter if you program a macro that fires 10 abilities in one second - only the first one will fire. Sure someone could create a macro with delays to execute a combo but lag will break that combo. And if one were to create a macro that takes lag into consideration by increasing delays, then that combo will be still much less effective than the one executed by hand.
As for LA weaving I expect my enemies to be weaving. Whether they do it using one button or two is of no concern to me.
As for people who have certain medical conditions they should be definitelly allowed to use macros. However since your health issues are a medical secret, no one except your doctor can expect you to talk about your medical condition, not even your employer and most definitely not a game developer. This means that anyone could tell they have a medical condition that forces them to use macros. Since we can't check this we should just allow everyone to use them.
This is just a game. Play it the way you wan't. Remember though that you have no right to tell others how they should play it.I expect some mentally defficient person to accuse me of using macros on the sole basis that I advocate that people should be free to play the game the way they want.
FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Not everyone that killed you is using a macro or cheat engine. Some people are just better than you. A long macro (5-8 skills as you describe) in the lag fest that is Cyrodiil is likely a death sentence. I am not saying there arent people that use them here and there, but most good players would absolutely refuse to be locked into a sequence of events like that.
Even a macro for something simple like a LA/weave is absolutely terrible even in a stable PVE environment. I have messed around with them a fair amount in the privacy of my own test dummy. I have never been able to use macros to achieve better results than what my fingers can do on their own.
Under sub 80 m/s instances? I high doubt this to be the case. If you disagree show me a human on video with his screen and hands preforming the same 5 or more multi combo routine in under a sec. Consistently without error under sub 80 m/s conditions.
I do fight players who are simply better them me. I shake them off and aim to improve myself to be better than them. They are not the issue.
There is a reason this is only a rampant thing in ESO, and no other MMO or RPG that has Action combat system.
So they are bypassing the global cooldown and using 5 skills in 1 sec? or are 5 skills hitting you in 1 sec?
Under non lag conditions sub 120 m/s.(Which is most of my PvP experience in ESO) I suspect that they have found a way to bypass the global cooldown. Which can be done with macro software and or CE.
Under lag conditions, 200 m/s and up, I think it's just the server going haywire.
According to ToS, would this be allowed:
https://amp.theguardian.com/games/2018/may/17/microsoft-xbox-disability-friendly-adaptive-controller
Or this, BTW awesome charitable organisation:
https://www.specialeffect.org.uk
FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Not everyone that killed you is using a macro or cheat engine. Some people are just better than you. A long macro (5-8 skills as you describe) in the lag fest that is Cyrodiil is likely a death sentence. I am not saying there arent people that use them here and there, but most good players would absolutely refuse to be locked into a sequence of events like that.
Even a macro for something simple like a LA/weave is absolutely terrible even in a stable PVE environment. I have messed around with them a fair amount in the privacy of my own test dummy. I have never been able to use macros to achieve better results than what my fingers can do on their own.
Under sub 80 m/s instances? I high doubt this to be the case. If you disagree show me a human on video with his screen and hands preforming the same 5 or more multi combo routine in under a sec. Consistently without error under sub 80 m/s conditions.
I do fight players who are simply better them me. I shake them off and aim to improve myself to be better than them. They are not the issue.
There is a reason this is only a rampant thing in ESO, and no other MMO or RPG that has Action combat system.
So they are bypassing the global cooldown and using 5 skills in 1 sec? or are 5 skills hitting you in 1 sec?
FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Ok guys, I'm not talking about animation cancelling so cool your defensive jets. I am one of those players who can post 30,000 to 37,000 dps by use of animation cancelling.
I'm talking about players abusing multi-combo macros. To hit you with 6 or more abilities with light attack, while jumping all happening on prefect timing with no error. I would post videos of such but ZOS would rather sweep such under the rug and act like it's not happening rather than address and fix the issue.
I'm not asking for your Animation Cancelling to be taken away from the game. I'm simply asking for FAIR PLAY FOR ALL. Either for them to allow multi-combo animation cancelling for all, or none!
If you have something against such. Than I'm going to have to suspect your angle on this topic is malicious in nature. Because you are one of those who abuse such. And don't want others to do what you are doing at no risk to their high value account/s.
No anyone using a macro to cheat the game should be banned
Now if ZOS wants to develop an in game only option to assist disabled persons to meet a minimum of 25K dps so they can join in some content, if they can manage the movement requirements then maybe I could agree to that as long as it doesn't amount to basically a bot the does everything in the game for them and has some sort of medical verification involved to be able to turn it on.