Once again, ZOS ignores player feedback on ill-advised changes. Are you surprised?

MLGProPlayer · February 2019

No

aaisoaho wrote: »

Disagreeing with the feedback does not equal to ignoring it. It seems they did a last minute change to altmer passive, so it now restores lowest resource on a class-skill cast.

I do not think it is against the lore. Since the lore in TES universe is filled with negative space, we do not have an absolute interpretation. Right now, it can be interpreted as lore friendly. For example: Tobacano the Magnificent casts a spell and starts feeling an adrenaline rush in his veins gaining more stamina. He feels his magicka levels becoming low and casts again and now more magicka pumps trough his body.

That's not how the passive works. It restores your lowest max resource only. It only restores stamina.

aaisoaho · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

aaisoaho wrote: »

Disagreeing with the feedback does not equal to ignoring it. It seems they did a last minute change to altmer passive, so it now restores lowest resource on a class-skill cast.

I do not think it is against the lore. Since the lore in TES universe is filled with negative space, we do not have an absolute interpretation. Right now, it can be interpreted as lore friendly. For example: Tobacano the Magnificent casts a spell and starts feeling an adrenaline rush in his veins gaining more stamina. He feels his magicka levels becoming low and casts again and now more magicka pumps trough his body.

That's not how the passive works. It restores your lowest max resource only. It only restores stamina.

I haven't personally tested, so you might be right. I understood from the patch notes that it would restore the lowest resource instead of lowest maximum resource.

Spell Recharge: Restore 645 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is lowest, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds.

But even if I was wrong about how the passive works, it still doesn't seem to be lore-breaking. Altmer casts a spell, his stamina restores a bit by doing so and is able to perform physical activities more. "spellcasting is so refreshing"

MLGProPlayer · February 2019

No

aaisoaho wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

aaisoaho wrote: »

Disagreeing with the feedback does not equal to ignoring it. It seems they did a last minute change to altmer passive, so it now restores lowest resource on a class-skill cast.

I do not think it is against the lore. Since the lore in TES universe is filled with negative space, we do not have an absolute interpretation. Right now, it can be interpreted as lore friendly. For example: Tobacano the Magnificent casts a spell and starts feeling an adrenaline rush in his veins gaining more stamina. He feels his magicka levels becoming low and casts again and now more magicka pumps trough his body.

That's not how the passive works. It restores your lowest max resource only. It only restores stamina.

I haven't personally tested, so you might be right. I understood from the patch notes that it would restore the lowest resource instead of lowest maximum resource.

Spell Recharge: Restore 645 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is lowest, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds.

But even if I was wrong about how the passive works, it still doesn't seem to be lore-breaking. Altmer casts a spell, his stamina restores a bit by doing so and is able to perform physical activities more. "spellcasting is so refreshing"

Altmer are a physically frail race. Being able to restore stamina at will with magic would completely negate that racial weakness.

Morgul667 · February 2019

This update is actually good

Arato · February 2019

No

LiquidPony wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

The community was asking for a racial passive changes.
They get a racial passive nerf.
+2000 stam/mag vs +20% stam/mag.
I pretty sure a lot if not all of us roll with 30k + stam/mag.

This would be true if max stamina and max magicka were the only stats in the game.

Of course you also got +258 weapon or spell damage or +258 stam regen or 7% magicka cost reduction or 8% weapon skill reduction or numerous other things.

Almost every race got buffed in Wrathstone. Many of them significantly. The problem here is that a lot of people just don't understand the first thing about how the game works.

No, before the damage passives were scaling, so the more damage you did the more benefit you got from it. Now they don't scale now it's only a "buff" if you did low damage to start. For an altmer any damage you do with a spell over 6450 you would have gotten more benefit out of the old passive. Same with the scaling stat buffs. If you ran with more than 20k magicka, you were better off with the 10% magicka bonus than a flat 2k.

Uryel · February 2019

No

ZOS are probably the worst gankers in this game. They backstabbed all the Bosmers in a single blow.

Seraphayel · February 2019

Arato wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

The community was asking for a racial passive changes.
They get a racial passive nerf.
+2000 stam/mag vs +20% stam/mag.
I pretty sure a lot if not all of us roll with 30k + stam/mag.

This would be true if max stamina and max magicka were the only stats in the game.

Of course you also got +258 weapon or spell damage or +258 stam regen or 7% magicka cost reduction or 8% weapon skill reduction or numerous other things.

Almost every race got buffed in Wrathstone. Many of them significantly. The problem here is that a lot of people just don't understand the first thing about how the game works.

No, before the damage passives were scaling, so the more damage you did the more benefit you got from it. Now they don't scale now it's only a "buff" if you did low damage to start. For an altmer any damage you do with a spell over 6450 you would have gotten more benefit out of the old passive. Same with the scaling stat buffs. If you ran with more than 20k magicka, you were better off with the 10% magicka bonus than a flat 2k.

But it got changed for everyone so in the end nothing changed. They needed to do this and it's just an evolution of how things in this game are handled. Similar to the removal of soft caps some years ago. It's not like they nerfed specific builds or classes, they just made a fundamental change to the entire game which applies to all players.

alanmatillab16_ESO · February 2019

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

Worst PTS cycle in the game's history.

To heck with all my characters and their races, apparently.

And quite frankly, to heck with ZOS, my ESO Plus subscription, and this game.

So just quit. This isn't an airport you do not have to announce your departure.

Arato · February 2019

No

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

Worst PTS cycle in the game's history.

To heck with all my characters and their races, apparently.

And quite frankly, to heck with ZOS, my ESO Plus subscription, and this game.

So just quit. This isn't an airport you do not have to announce your departure.

But he should, the more people announce their dissatisfaction with the changes instead of quietly cancelling and letting ZOS just try to guess what their cancellation was about "oh maybe they just couldn't afford it anymore", the more likely to get a message across to ZOS so they don't think they can walk all over their players and the players will just keep paying them anyway.

Azyle1 · February 2019

Arato wrote: »

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

Worst PTS cycle in the game's history.

To heck with all my characters and their races, apparently.

And quite frankly, to heck with ZOS, my ESO Plus subscription, and this game.

So just quit. This isn't an airport you do not have to announce your departure.

But he should, the more people announce their dissatisfaction with the changes instead of quietly cancelling and letting ZOS just try to guess what their cancellation was about "oh maybe they just couldn't afford it anymore", the more likely to get a message across to ZOS so they don't think they can walk all over their players and the players will just keep paying them anyway.

Except... it's a MMO and there are changes. When will people learn this?

Just because a few people think the change is bad, doesn't mean it's all bad. Some people like the change, a lot just do not care as it isn't a big deal, it's just a change.

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The_Lex · February 2019

If I had a dime for every time someone said they were quitting (but never did) or claimed that the game is dying, I'd be a very rich dude. It's been the same mantra since beta.

BlueRaven · February 2019

No

Azyle1 wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

Worst PTS cycle in the game's history.

To heck with all my characters and their races, apparently.

And quite frankly, to heck with ZOS, my ESO Plus subscription, and this game.

So just quit. This isn't an airport you do not have to announce your departure.

But he should, the more people announce their dissatisfaction with the changes instead of quietly cancelling and letting ZOS just try to guess what their cancellation was about "oh maybe they just couldn't afford it anymore", the more likely to get a message across to ZOS so they don't think they can walk all over their players and the players will just keep paying them anyway.

Except... it's a MMO and there are changes. When will people learn this?

Just because a few people think the change is bad, doesn't mean it's all bad. Some people like the change, a lot just do not care as it isn't a big deal, it's just a change.

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People put work, sometimes years of work into a character. Doing quests with them, dungeons, customizing them... Basically growing an emotional bond.

Then they find out it’s going to change. Change in a fundimental way that is alarming to them. So they come here for info, and maybe offer feedback.
No response from Zos explaining “why” the change is happening.

But other commenters give their input;

“This will make them more balanced.”
“This will never make it to live.”
“You just want to keep the old way because it made you op.”
“Your just into RP so your concerns are not important.”
“Your better now, so what’s the problem?”

All the while their voice is lost in the noise and the developer keeps their cone of silence.

And the change happens, and they come on here and people say things like;

“Just because a few people think the change is bad, doesn't mean it's all bad. Some people like the change, a lot just do not care as it isn't a big deal, it's just a change.”

Basically just lie back and accept it.

And you wonder why people are upset?

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Mayrael · February 2019

ZOS listens to our feedback, but thinking they will do everything what we tell them is silly. Yes we all have things we would like to be done, but untill it's not game breaking we need to get over it.

ATomiX96 · February 2019

No

the only thing im surprised about is that they didnt completely change races between last week of PTS and live patch.

Temeraire507 · February 2019

No

I'm not surprised. But this is not meant in a negative way. Developers should not listen to every little demand the community makes. That killed enough games. They may not have listened to player feedback regarding some little flaws but they listened to some feedback and I'm glad they did not listen to most of the biggest qqers, because normally they don't suggest anything healthy to the game. I don't agree with everything ZOS does but what they did here is tolerable imo.

Beardimus · February 2019

likecats wrote: »

The community does not have the same opinion.

The community was unhappy how strong altmer and khajitt were, and that dunmer were basically eclipsed by altmer.

So they nerf altmer and khajitt, and now different players have issues.

Nailed it.

Where's the poll option that says happy with the changes?

ezio45 · February 2019

No

Turelus wrote: »

I mean, we're where we are with Altmer at least because they listened to feedback.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

they always go overboard tho

we said nord needed improvement, got a whole race overhaul

we said darkelf needed to be more competitive with highelf. we got improvements to darkelf, but they went and nerfed highelf too

they straight up didnt listen at all to woodelf

ZOS_Mika · February 2019

We have recently removed a great deal of baiting, flaming, and non-constructive commentary from this thread. Because this discussion derailed rather quickly, we have closed it down. Thank you for your understanding.