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Penetration - serious questions.

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How do you calculate penetration without an addon?

What is the penetration cap?

Do healers use penetration?

Do debuffs like Major and Minor Fracture factor into how much penetration one has? For example, does it benefit a Dk to apply major fracture from Noxious Breath before using skills that stack penetration?

Purifying Light doesn’t apply a debuff but Power of the Light does, A Templar with higher passive penetration (through cps for example) putting Power of the Light on a target, does it help the group or does the extra pen only help the Templar?

If one is at penetration cap, does extra penetration provide any benefit in pve or pvp?
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  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    .How do you calculate penetration without an addon?

    Find all the sources of pen you have and add them up. Even add one are not perfect though, right now all that I have seen give a flat value to maces, that is based on your physical resistance, and that is wrong.
    .What is the penetration cap?

    There is no limit to how much pen you can stack, it does not pay to stack past your targets armor level though, in pve, overland mobs have 9100 and dungeon/trial/arena mobs have 18200. Past that you will now raise your damage.

    . Do healers use penetration?

    Sorta. Healers focus on other things first then pen. Healer do do damage but that is not their focus.
    . Do debuffs like Major and Minor Fracture factor into how much penetration one has?

    They are calculated first. Then percentage based pen is calculated off that and finally, self pen is subtracted. Like this, for pve-

    Physical Mitigation =(((Target Physical Resist + Flat Physical Debuffs)*(1 - %-Penetration) - Physical Penetration)*(-1/(50000)) + 1)
    . For example, does it benefit a Dk to apply major fracture from Noxious Breath before using skills that stack penetration?

    Noxious breath applies major fracture, so no, it will not benefit from applying another source of major fracture before.

    . does it help the group or does the extra pen only help the Templar?

    Power of the lights minor fracture and minor breach help the group.
    . If one is at penetration cap, does extra penetration provide any benefit in pve or pvp?

    Again, there is no cap to the amount of pen you can stack, outside of the amount that is in the game. In pve it does not pay to have more then 18200 and in PvP, players can have way more than that, 33000 resistance is the cap that damage is reduced but you can stack resistance past that and the player will have to penetrate past the amount of resistance you have to do more damage.
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    Thank you for this succinct answer.

    I’m starting to wonder if my Dk could possibly build for penetration (gear, cps, potions) on top of Noxious breath in pvp. And if it turns out well, then I can instead build for cheap rolling to get the last bit of pen instead of building for pen directly.

    Also if he’s going to be rolling, if there is any attribute that will improve sets that proc upon roll. He’s also a werewolf, and since Hunter’s Eye works in ww form, as well as my armor sets, I can leave little traps all over the ground on top of being a wolf, but I wanted to know which attribute to focus on to make those traps even worse.
    Edited by max_only on February 26, 2019 7:50AM
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  • TheYKcid
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    The calculator I linked in my sig does everything you need :p

    It can summarize all your penetration sources including %-based ones like maces, accounting for the order of calculations. It even calculates how many % of DPS increase you can get from adding a particular source of pen to your build.
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