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Once again, ZOS ignores player feedback on ill-advised changes. Are you surprised?
MLGProPlayer
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Are you surprised that, as usual, ZOS ignored the community?
Once again, ZOS ignores player feedback on ill-advised changes. Are you surprised? 267 votes
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likecats✭✭✭✭✭The community does not have the same opinion.
The community was unhappy how strong altmer and khajitt were, and that dunmer were basically eclipsed by altmer.
So they nerf altmer and khajitt, and now different players have issues.Edited by likecats on February 25, 2019 5:47PM45 -
casparian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Pretty happy they took expert feedback over forum feedback.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.59 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Meanwhile, the changes to racial passives happened because "the community" asked for it in the first place...
Seriously, there is just no winning. Someone will always feel ignored, someone will always feel listened to. I'd prefer it if this was acknowledged instead of painting it with an obviously false "ZoS ignored the community."26 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ZOS did not ignore the community. It does seem though that you ignored what ZOS has actually done in listening to our feedback to make your poll.
Just becuase you do not like the changes does not mean ZOS didn't listen to others.
[removed comment]Edited by ZOS_JesC on February 25, 2019 7:45PM25 -
frostz417✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoZOS did not ignore the community. It does seem though that you ignored what ZOS has actually done in listening to our feedback to make your poll.
Just becuase you do not like the changes does not mean ZOS didn't listen to others.
If zos actually listened then,
they would’ve addressed the snare and root meta.
Performance in cyro wouldnt be an absolute Embarrassment
And Altmer wouldn’t have such a useless stam regen passive
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Wildberryjack✭✭✭✭✭
✭Honestly I feel they screwed up on only one race, Bosmer. So now if we want to have a thief we HAVE to use Khajiit, we no longer have two races to chose from. That stealth passive is too strong to do without.
For the rest of the races, I like the changes. Finally I can play something other than an Altmer for a Mag build. Finally I can play something other than a Redguard for a Stam build. Before I could sure, if I wanted to gimp my DPS bad.The purpose of art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls. ~Pablo Picasso19 -
Suddwrath✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoMeanwhile, the changes to racial passives happened because "the community" asked for it in the first place...
"Balancing" was requested, but many of the specific changes were not even requested by the community.
Community: "Would it be possible for some of the racial passives to receive a rework to promote more balance to the races while also preserving their specific flavor/identity?
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ZOS: "Sure! First, let's take away Bosmer's stealth."
Community: "Wait, we didn't ask for..."
ZOS: "Now we're going to take away Dunmer's flame damage."
Community: "But we didn't even..."
ZOS: "Ah what the heck, let's give Altmers stamina recovery!"
Community: "Who even suggested..."
ZOS: "Ta-da! We changed the racials like you asked!"
Community: "Why are you the way that you are?"Edited by Suddwrath on February 25, 2019 5:57PM68 -
Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoWith all the feedback about Bosmers.. i had a tiny hope it might had been able to keep the Stealthy lore-friendly passive even after last PTS note as a ninja change to Live.
But no, was not surprised.
My bosmers are sad now.11 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesLooking back at the storm that was raging not so long ago on PTS... Well... yes... BUT... BUT...
I do think they have a good reason for it and that they do not want to share it with us.
Edit:
Voted wrong by mistake, silly me
Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on February 25, 2019 6:02PM0 -
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✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »
Alcast is amazing, but his opinion isnt one I'd take serious on the race topic because he WANTS to keep his super high bonuses...18 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nonotimetocare wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »
Alcast is amazing, but his opinion isnt one I'd take serious on the race topic because he WANTS to keep his super high bonuses...
How does that make sense? He specifically said he doesn't like the Orc changes becauae they pigeon-hole all endgame stamina players into playing them.9 -
Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoThe community does not have the same opinion.
The community was unhappy how strong altmer and khajitt were, and that dunmer were basically eclipsed by altmer.
So they nerf altmer and khajitt, and now different players have issues.
Uhh what? The problem wasn't Altmer being too strong, it was Dunmer not being good enough of a mag race as they were on live. So ZOS buffs Dunmer and nerfs Altmer so now they're eclipsed by Dunmer.1 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The community does not have the same opinion.
The community was unhappy how strong altmer and khajitt were, and that dunmer were basically eclipsed by altmer.
So they nerf altmer and khajitt, and now different players have issues.
Uhh what? The problem wasn't Altmer being too strong, it was Dunmer not being good enough of a mag race as they were on live. So ZOS buffs Dunmer and nerfs Altmer so now they're eclipsed by Dunmer.
And both are eclipsed by Breton it seems when it comes to all the complaints so why even bother?PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -2 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"Balancing" was requested, but many of the specific changes were not even requested by the community.
I won't argue that, but I wouldn't expect all changes to the game be based on community requests. For all we know, the pass on racial passives was going to happen regardless of whether or not it was asked for. Folks respond to the changes in different ways. Some of the things they've done I like (whether or not it was requested) and some I don't. I find it more honest to state that rather than translate "me and some other people didn't like this" to "the community didn't like this." It's not true - the community is diverse and do not have the same opinions on these matters.
That said, we'd probably be hard-pressed to find anyone happy with the stealth passive removal from Bosmer. What concerns me more about that change is the fact that this patch introduces a lot of changes that strongly favor PvP concerns. It makes me wish now more than ever that the two game modes were divorced entirely, but it especially pisses me off when something like a racial is relevant ONLY in PvP contexts.4 -
Amphithoe✭✭✭✭✭NoAs long as they are willing to revert changes that people cry the most about I don't care.Guildmaster: School of Julianos1 -
thedude33✭✭✭✭✭Here's a paradoxical mindblower for you.
Some people don't like the changes = ZOS doesn't listen to the community
Some people like the changes = ZOS listens to the community
The one thing that is consistent is the complainers. The type that would win 10 million dollars in the lottery, and end up complaining, because of the taxes.13 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoKnightsMentor wrote: »As long as they are willing to revert changes that people cry the most about I don't care.
ZOS doesn't makes changes after PTS. We're stuck with these until the next racial re-balance, usually every 2-3 years.Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 25, 2019 6:28PM4 -
Red_Feather✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoI don't play a tank so I don't care.
Edited by Red_Feather on February 25, 2019 6:33PM0 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »KnightsMentor wrote: »As long as they are willing to revert changes that people cry the most about I don't care.
ZOS doesn't makes changes after PTS. We're stuck with these until the next racial re-balance, usually every 2-3 years.
Good. Insight is the first step to improvement. Can we stop with the complaints then until 2021?PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -6 -
_Salty_✭✭✭✭✭NoZos owns the game so they do what they want. We shouldn't be surprised by this.Psn l---Salty---l
Patiently waiting to make a Stankcromancer.1 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »KnightsMentor wrote: »As long as they are willing to revert changes that people cry the most about I don't care.
ZOS doesn't makes changes after PTS. We're stuck with these until the next racial re-balance, usually every 2-3 years.
I am scratching my head over this. I do not recall any significant racial changes and especially re-balancing before this one.
Where exactly are you getting this 2-3 year thing from?2 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭It's hard to take the guy that complained every hour for the last 3 weeks about Altmer changes seriously.
Also, I am using Stam for my khajiit, not Orc. Don't assume anything.11 -
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✭NoLiked the new update except for the Altmer one and for bosmer not sure cause I don't pvp although pretty much happy for my nord dk tankypoo!!2000 CP • 18 Maxed Characters • 6 Altmers • 7 Redguards • Necromancer Orc • Warden Dunmer • DK Nord • DK Imperial • Templar Breton0 -
DarkPicture✭✭✭✭✭NoIn next pts patch we will see apology about "not enough communication with community"
like alwaysEdited by DarkPicture on February 25, 2019 6:44PM1 -
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✭✭✭YesIt's hard to take the guy that complained every hour for the last 3 weeks about Altmer changes seriously.
Also, I am using Stam for my khajiit, not Orc. Don't assume anything.
Happily used my first race-change token to make my Redguard Stamblade a Khajiit as soon as I logged in, first thing I did.
Look at that pretty tail!
Redguard stamsorc is staying Redguard.
Haven't changed anything to an Orc yet.Edited by LiquidPony on February 25, 2019 6:51PM2
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