Will you be disappointed if there is no Akaviri in Rimmen?
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We know lore wise there are suppose to be akaviri races live in Rimmen, would you be disappointed if ZOS doesn't make new model and introduce them for the first time?
We know lore wise there are suppose to be akaviri races live in Rimmen, would you be disappointed if ZOS doesn't make new model and introduce them for the first time?
Will you be disappointed if there is no Akaviri in Rimmen? 88 votes
Yes, I want cat-dragon, snow man, snake man monkey man everything
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Yes, tho I will be satisfied with just man-like Akaviri (human model, probably will be a reskin of imperial or sth)
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No, I don't expect them to be there
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Robo_Hobo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hmm, not an option for how I feel about it.
I'm definitely hoping and expecting to see Tsaesci there, and hoping that they aren't just re-skinned humans, but I also don't necessarily expect them to be full-on snakes. I'm not expecting any of the other Akaviri races to be there, some remnants of the Kamal invasion could be possible, but I won't get my hopes up for that.
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Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I don't expect them to be therePrior to ESO, I would expect them there, yes, but I don't think ZOS wants to mess with Akaviri lore too much. One appeal of Akavir is that it's a complete mystery. Even though a lot of NPCs in ESO have seen and even fought Akaviri, never has a player character been able to find out anything about what these "snake people" and "ice demons" actually are.
My guess is that the Tsaesci look like east asians with perhaps some more snake features (scales, nose slits, forked tongue?). If they looked any more snake like, they would be too close to the lamias I feel.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.1 -
Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, tho I will be satisfied with just man-like Akaviri (human model, probably will be a reskin of imperial or sth)If they do it like Murkmire and have them as NPCs like the Naga then I will be happy.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!0 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hmm, not an option for how I feel about it.
I'm definitely hoping and expecting to see Tsaesci there, and hoping that they aren't just re-skinned humans, but I also don't necessarily expect them to be full-on snakes. I'm not expecting any of the other Akaviri races to be there, some remnants of the Kamal invasion could be possible, but I won't get my hopes up for that.
Other: I don't know enough about that part of the lore to have an opinion. As for full-on snakes.... eh, maybe something similar to lamia would work better.0 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I want cat-dragon, snow man, snake man monkey man everything
The short of it is that the survivors of the Dir-Kamal invasion ten years before ESO make their way there, meet up with descendants from earlier akaviri visits (aka, the ones that were involved in the founding of the empire) and eventually make their own push for the ruby throne... failing badly.Sylvermynx wrote: »I don't know enough about that part of the lore to have an opinion.
Read up on it here: https://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-first-edition-elsweyr-confederacy
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Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@TheShadowScout - thanks! Not sure I could have found that using whatever I thought would be good search terms....0 -
jainiadral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Hmm, not an option for how I feel about it.
I'm definitely hoping and expecting to see Tsaesci there, and hoping that they aren't just re-skinned humans, but I also don't necessarily expect them to be full-on snakes. I'm not expecting any of the other Akaviri races to be there, some remnants of the Kamal invasion could be possible, but I won't get my hopes up for that.
Other: I don't know enough about that part of the lore to have an opinion. As for full-on snakes.... eh, maybe something similar to lamia would work better.
Agree. Also, I have no clue where Rimmen is. Is it in Elsweyr?
*ducks in anticipation of the barrage of lorebooks about to land on her head*0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Aren't Tsaesci just humans? In which, how would you even know you saw one?0 -
Lyserus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, I want cat-dragon, snow man, snake man monkey man everythingMLGProPlayer wrote: »Aren't Tsaesci just humans? In which, how would you even know you saw one?
There are theories
Some say they look like snakes with arms, some says they are half man half snake （lower body is snake）and some say they are just another kind of men （from some description they are more “asian”）
So even if they are just another kind of men, they would look different from redguard, imperial, breton or nord0 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭jainiadral wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »Hmm, not an option for how I feel about it.
I'm definitely hoping and expecting to see Tsaesci there, and hoping that they aren't just re-skinned humans, but I also don't necessarily expect them to be full-on snakes. I'm not expecting any of the other Akaviri races to be there, some remnants of the Kamal invasion could be possible, but I won't get my hopes up for that.
Other: I don't know enough about that part of the lore to have an opinion. As for full-on snakes.... eh, maybe something similar to lamia would work better.
Agree. Also, I have no clue where Rimmen is. Is it in Elsweyr?
*ducks in anticipation of the barrage of lorebooks about to land on her head*
Rimmen is in NE Elsweyr. That link from @TheShadowScout has some really good info....0 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I want cat-dragon, snow man, snake man monkey man everything
Follow the link! Or...jainiadral wrote: »Also, I have no clue where Rimmen is. Is it in Elsweyr?
That is quite questionable.MLGProPlayer wrote: »Aren't Tsaesci just humans? In which, how would you even know you saw one?
The Tsaesci are considered "serpent-folk", and "vampiric" ones at that... how much serpent-like tho, that is up to debate. Might be they are humanoids with serpentine skin. Might be they are lamia like. Might be both is the case? The debate is ongoing among scholars...
Legends also tell there -used- to be "Human Tsaesci", but by the time of the second era, they all got "eaten" by the snakefolk - the last survivors fled to tamriel long ago, and appearently mixed with the newly alessia-freed nedic slaves of the ayleids into the imperials, or at least that is what the lore generaly indicates... but they are the reason the empire has so many akaviri traditions, like dragonguard and syffrim (later fighters guild). Possibly also the reason why the imperials have that one slightly vampiric-seeming passive...
But in the end... we have very, very little solid info on the akaviri, so... ZOS could do a LOT with them!2 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »
Follow the link! Or...jainiadral wrote: »Also, I have no clue where Rimmen is. Is it in Elsweyr?
That is quite questionable.MLGProPlayer wrote: »Aren't Tsaesci just humans? In which, how would you even know you saw one?
The Tsaesci are considered "serpent-folk", and "vampiric" ones at that... how much serpent-like tho, that is up to debate. Might be they are humanoids with serpentine skin. Might be they are lamia like. Might be both is the case? The debate is ongoing among scholars...
Legends also tell there -used- to be "Human Tsaesci", but by the time of the second era, they all got "eaten" by the snakefolk - the last survivors fled to tamriel long ago, and appearently mixed with the newly alessia-freed nedic slaves of the ayleids into the imperials, or at least that is what the lore generaly indicates... but they are the reason the empire has so many akaviri traditions, like dragonguard and syffrim (later fighters guild). Possibly also the reason why the imperials have that one slightly vampiric-seeming passive...
But in the end... we have very, very little solid info on the akaviri, so... ZOS could do a LOT with them!
Oh, how VERY interesting! I'm so glad this came up....0 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I want cat-dragon, snow man, snake man monkey man everything
Indeed.Sylvermynx wrote: »Oh, how VERY interesting! I'm so glad this came up....
The four Akaviri races would make prime candidates for possibly introduction here in ESO... after all, as mentioned the "Akaviri Invasion" that formed the ebonheart pack was a mere ten years before the events of ESO!
Heck, they might even be viable as new player race someday... maybe... see: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422285/new-player-race-possibilities/p1
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SilverIce58✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, I want cat-dragon, snow man, snake man monkey man everythingNot to mention the fact that the writer of the Tsaesci motif currently resides in Rimmen, of which he or she has stated. You can read about it here: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Crafting_Motif_53:_Tsaesci
States that they currently live in Rimmen as a Chronicler of sorts. It would be odd that theyd write that book and not have the "writer" actually in the chapter.PC - NACP 1125
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Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, tho I will be satisfied with just man-like Akaviri (human model, probably will be a reskin of imperial or sth)There is no way to do Rimmen without Akaviri. They didn't have to chose this location, so if they didn't want to include Akaviri there would have been more than enough options, even in Elsweyr.
That we'll also see Alfiq, Senche-raht and other Khajiit breeds leaves me slightly hopeful we'll also see Akaviri. I can imagine a sort of "reveal" with the second part of the cinematic trailer.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I don't expect them to be there"Akaviri" is the general term used for an individual or group being from the continent of Akavir. What I think the people living in Rimmen are should be Tsaesci as they were the original Akaviri invaders. And my "headcanon" of them are literal Serpent Men. Half Man half Snake, similar to the Lamia. If the Canon depiction of a Tsaesci ends up being just more Humans then yes I'll be disappointed.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I don't expect them to be thereMLGProPlayer wrote: »Aren't Tsaesci just humans? In which, how would you even know you saw one?
yes but there are different races on akavir...humans, monkey people, tiger people and snake people and some form of yeti afaik0 -
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✭✭✭✭No, I don't expect them to be thereI'm expecting that all we will find will be an "explanation" for their absence.PC EU0 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, tho I will be satisfied with just man-like Akaviri (human model, probably will be a reskin of imperial or sth)"Akaviri" is the general term used for an individual or group being from the continent of Akavir. What I think the people living in Rimmen are should be Tsaesci as they were the original Akaviri invaders. And my "headcanon" of them are literal Serpent Men. Half Man half Snake, similar to the Lamia. If the Canon depiction of a Tsaesci ends up being just more Humans then yes I'll be disappointed.
My headcanon is that they are men with a unique strand of "vampirism" (not bestowed by Molag Bal, something else entirely) that makes them look more serpentine the longer they go without feeding. That includes just about any known description of them, so ZOS could have a lot of freedom in their appearance without breaking the lore for good.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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phantasmalD✭✭✭✭✭Yes, tho I will be satisfied with just man-like Akaviri (human model, probably will be a reskin of imperial or sth)Prior to ESO, I would expect them there, yes, but I don't think ZOS wants to mess with Akaviri lore too much. One appeal of Akavir is that it's a complete mystery. Even though a lot of NPCs in ESO have seen and even fought Akaviri, never has a player character been able to find out anything about what these "snake people" and "ice demons" actually are.
My guess is that the Tsaesci look like east asians with perhaps some more snake features (scales, nose slits, forked tongue?). If they looked any more snake like, they would be too close to the lamias I feel.
But the Tsaesci presence in Rimmen is very much tamrielic lore.
Prior to ESO we also didn't have a canon appearance for Maormer, Kothringi, Ayleid, Naga while Sload lore was like 2 lines.
Maormer's situation in particular is really similar to any of the Akaviri races, a mysterious, rarely seen race living on a mysterious island. So imo if ZoS didn't refrain from giving visuals to the Maormer then I don't think they would refrain from doing the same with the Tsaesci.
At this point imo ESO is basically an idea workshop, adapting 25 years of lore and Arena's map to the expectations of today, laying down the groundwork for any future single player TES title. Which potentially means that Bethesda will be able to allocate more resources on like refining stuff like the combat system as they won't have to create a map from scratch.
While the visuals were kinda uninspired and rough at launch, ZoS definitely improved over the years. Compare the Maormer of Khenarti's Roost to the Maormer of Summerset
I also expect the snakiness to mostly just be facial features, tho they could have the similar thing going on as the Khajiit where some mysterious power influences their body. But seeing how the Akaviri armor has legs and boots, I'd not expect them to have snake bodies.
Also, technically tho we already got a glimpse at a Tseasci. In Oblivion there was a ghost of a long dead soldier who supposedly was part of an Akaviri invasion. So the die has probably been already cast on the humanness that we should be expecting.1 -
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✭Yes, tho I will be satisfied with just man-like Akaviri (human model, probably will be a reskin of imperial or sth)I deram of snake-men, yet man-like Akaviri will be great. Even an Akaviri ghost will do. Or no Akaviri at all - but a lot of lore about them instead.0 -
Beffagorn✭✭✭There's an Akaviri in Oblivion, Mishaxhi.
The Akaviri aren't that special, they're just Asian themed humans from another continent. Like the Atmorans are Nordic themed humans.
We know that the Tsaesci are humanoids. They are bipeds and have a humanoid face. (The Tsaesci Motif and Ancient Dragonguard Burial Mask's in-game icon confirm that)
We know basically nothing about the other races of Akavir save some very basic informations.
Edited by Beffagorn on February 24, 2019 1:20PM0 -
RedTalon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Given the wide range of looks for snake people they could go with, we could see anything from humans with snake eyes, to half human half snakes and so on, at-least that is what I am hoping for A wide look since if I recall where they not said to be good spies also?0 -
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✭Yes, tho I will be satisfied with just man-like Akaviri (human model, probably will be a reskin of imperial or sth)From my understanding there a humanoid bipedal race of men with snake like features everything from scale skin, eyes that resembles that of a snake and having a split tongue and fangs. We see from there armor motifs in game they have boots and leg armor while I believe half snake half man creatures exist on Akavir I don't think well see them in eso.
The best well probably get is a eastern "Asian" themed humanoid with snake like features and lore that parallels Asian culture the way Imperials are to the Romans in the real world.Xbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
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TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I want cat-dragon, snow man, snake man monkey man everything
Not quite.phantasmalD wrote: »Also, technically tho we already got a glimpse at a Tseasci. In Oblivion there was a ghost of a long dead soldier who supposedly was part of an Akaviri invasion. So the die has probably been already cast on the humanness that we should be expecting.
That spirit haunting the pale pass was part of the -first- akaviri invasion, in the First Era!
That was when there still -were- akaviri "men" around (and one possibly reason for that invassion was the very "flee from becoming snake food, conquer new lands" and so on shtick), which is exactly what that guy might have been... that invasion basically jumpstarted the cyrodil empire, as it forced reman cyrodil to ally with colovia and nibenay to fight off the invaders, many of which would be taken captive and incorporated into the newly formed "Second Empire" which would last ebout eight hundred years - until the soulburst and the start of the interregnum, aka, the events prior to and setting up the ESO mainstory!
During those eight hundred years, all the remaining "akaviri men" over in mysterious akavir were indeed "eaten" (whatever that exactly means, might be actual comsumption as food, might be also something else...), until during the second era, akaviri is all "beastfolk" of the four kinds...
Of course, the main point is... what is the definition of "Akaviri Men"??? Are they humans of that culture? The imperial connection seems to make that likely, yet lore from the time of the second empire Also clearly describes snake-tailed akaviri...
And what are those "snake-folk" exactly? There are conflicting descriptions, some which explicitely mention a tail, some that mention legs...
...and as I said in the discussion linked above, it would be entirely possible for the tsaesci to have two "castes" - much like the D&D Yuan'ti; one lamia-like, and one still snake-skinned but more humanoid in body structure... all up to the developers.
Well, the fate of those "Men of Akavir" is part of the lore: "Akavir is the kingdom of the beasts. No Men or Mer live in Akavir, though Men once did. These Men, however, were eaten long ago by the vampiric Serpent Folk of Tsaesci."The Akaviri aren't that special, they're just Asian themed humans from another continent.
So while at one time there might have been asian themed humans called "akaviri men", at this point in time they are as much a thing as the dwemer... except there is not as much mystery to it...
Ah, but we also "know" there is some lore describing an tsaesci as "a glistening ivory-yellow eel" and then read that "His swords seemed to be a part of him, a tail coming from his arms to match the one behind him. It was a trick of counterbalance, allowing the young serpent man to roll up into a circle and spin into the center of the ring in offensive position."We know that the Tsaesci are humanoids. They are bipeds and have a humanoid face. (The Tsaesci Motif and Ancient Dragonguard Burial Mask's in-game icon confirm that)
Doesn't sound all that humanoid, huh?
Like I keep saying, for me the most logical explaination would be a multi-featuered race... like the khajiit "cattishnesss" depends on the moon phases, the Tsaesci might have a wider range of "serpentness", some may be just humanoids with a tail and snakeskin, othery might be way more lamia-like...
Oh, and about that burial mask... are you -sure- the face is all that humanoid???
I mean...
...you see what I see? The "humanoid face" idea looks fishy to me, well... snakey, actually... 5 -
Kallykat✭✭✭✭✭I hope we get to see some snake-like Tsaesci, but I really doubt it. If they're just going to give us some reskinned humans, then I'd rather see no Akaviri at all. I'll wait for ES6 or 7 to see the diverse races of Akavir if you can't do it the right way for ESO.0
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✭✭Yes, tho I will be satisfied with just man-like Akaviri (human model, probably will be a reskin of imperial or sth)They would be breaking the lore, like directly not bending it but directly breaking the lore if they don't include them.
Here is the thing about Akaviri, I think there is a lot of legends about them. But I do think they are humanoids. Maybe they could have serpentine features. But here is the thing about vampires, they would need a lot of mortals or people with blood within them. I think legends about them, list them as vampiric. But to eat all the men of akivir, I think that would make the population to starve to death unless they feasted on the other races even then that might not be able to sustain them.
They would more or less be the Asians of the Elder Scrolls World. With a more Asian appearance. Like the Nords, imperials and redguards they would be a race of men. As Nords are More Norse, Imperials more roman or Italian and Redguards African. While I think Breton would be more Britain/France. Many of the races are based on a real life culture or ethnicity. I am thinking they would continue this trend going forward.
I do hope they will turn out to look like Asians, As it would be fitting as they are after all a race of men.Edited by Thevampirenight on February 25, 2019 12:26AMPC NA
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✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »jainiadral wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »Hmm, not an option for how I feel about it.
I'm definitely hoping and expecting to see Tsaesci there, and hoping that they aren't just re-skinned humans, but I also don't necessarily expect them to be full-on snakes. I'm not expecting any of the other Akaviri races to be there, some remnants of the Kamal invasion could be possible, but I won't get my hopes up for that.
Other: I don't know enough about that part of the lore to have an opinion. As for full-on snakes.... eh, maybe something similar to lamia would work better.
Agree. Also, I have no clue where Rimmen is. Is it in Elsweyr?
*ducks in anticipation of the barrage of lorebooks about to land on her head*
Rimmen is in NE Elsweyr. That link from @TheShadowScout has some really good info....
Thanks, it showed up right after I posted. Interesting
I guess I have to look up Akiviri later today. I still have no clue what's going on with them. 0 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭jainiadral wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »jainiadral wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »Hmm, not an option for how I feel about it.
I'm definitely hoping and expecting to see Tsaesci there, and hoping that they aren't just re-skinned humans, but I also don't necessarily expect them to be full-on snakes. I'm not expecting any of the other Akaviri races to be there, some remnants of the Kamal invasion could be possible, but I won't get my hopes up for that.
Other: I don't know enough about that part of the lore to have an opinion. As for full-on snakes.... eh, maybe something similar to lamia would work better.
Agree. Also, I have no clue where Rimmen is. Is it in Elsweyr?
*ducks in anticipation of the barrage of lorebooks about to land on her head*
Rimmen is in NE Elsweyr. That link from @TheShadowScout has some really good info....
Thanks, it showed up right after I posted. Interesting I guess I have to look up Akiviri later today. I still have no clue what's going on with them.
I truly love the whole Pale Pass quest in Oblivion. And I enjoyed the area as well in the Skyrim mega-mod Beyond Skyrim: Bruma.0
