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defeating a healer as magnb how ?
Noctus
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so i have this friend hes a healer and when we duell none of us dies. im glasscannon build and have higher cp and better gear yet he survives (templar heal).
now i know what im doing in bg and alliance war im very good in it(infact i believe without cp i might kill him). the people im asking here are the cp pvp veterans among u becouse ur the best chance i have of solving this becouse im stuck.
please dont respond to this if ur not a veteran in cp pvp.
Edited by Noctus on February 23, 2019 7:00AM now i know what im doing in bg and alliance war im very good in it(infact i believe without cp i might kill him). the people im asking here are the cp pvp veterans among u becouse ur the best chance i have of solving this becouse im stuck.
please dont respond to this if ur not a veteran in cp pvp.
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Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Templars healers are tough if they've specced correctly. Almost troll build good. What's his load out? And do you use cost increase poisons? I know some folks don't like them but they make wearing down healbots and troll tanks a lot easier."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard1 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Templars healers are tough if they've specced correctly. Almost troll build good. What's his load out? And do you use cost increase poisons? I know some folks don't like them but they make wearing down healbots and troll tanks a lot easier.
i thought about slotting cost increase poison but isnt it just 10 % increase ? an enchant would seem to have more effect. he uses sword boad and healinf staff. hes rly build for survivalEdited by Noctus on February 23, 2019 7:08AM0 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ya. Cost poisons got a bit of nerf not too long ago but if he's able to outheal your damage output it might be worth a shot. Magnb is in a weird spot right now and the co constellation that can help poison dmg/effect is mighty, which isn't as useful on mag..."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard0 -
IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭As a magblade use a mixture of snare roots (crippling grasp its called I think) mass hysteria to drain his stamina.
Use your Soul Harvest on cooldown to keep the pressure on him and to defile him. Use double dot poisons to overwhelm his purge and to whittle him down.
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Noctus✭✭✭✭✭IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »As a magblade use a mixture of snare roots (crippling grasp its called I think) mass hysteria to drain his stamina.
Use your Soul Harvest on cooldown to keep the pressure on him and to defile him. Use double dot poisons to overwhelm his purge and to whittle him down.
this is kinda what i do but it wont work. my burst sometimes gets him under 50 % but we fought like 20 mins before we decided that this wont lead anywhere. so i rly tried . ive also got points into the cp that reduces enemy regen and effectivity of defile so im rly shocked that he heals away.Edited by Noctus on February 23, 2019 7:30AM0 -
Berenhir✭✭✭✭✭
✭Any healer unable to stall a fight against 3 players indefinitely is not a PvP healer.PC EU - Ebonheart Pact - Gray Host - Death Recap -#zergfarming -3 -
IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »As a magblade use a mixture of snare roots (crippling grasp its called I think) mass hysteria to drain his stamina.
Use your Soul Harvest on cooldown to keep the pressure on him and to defile him. Use double dot poisons to overwhelm his purge and to whittle him down.
this is kinda what i do but it wont work. my burst sometimes gets him under 50 % but we fought like 20 mins before we decided that this wont lead anywhere. so i rly tried . ive also got points into the cp that reduces enemy regen and effectivity of defile so im rly shocked that he heals away.
Just for the record was he doing any damage worth mentioning?
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Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.2 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »As a magblade use a mixture of snare roots (crippling grasp its called I think) mass hysteria to drain his stamina.
Use your Soul Harvest on cooldown to keep the pressure on him and to defile him. Use double dot poisons to overwhelm his purge and to whittle him down.
this is kinda what i do but it wont work. my burst sometimes gets him under 50 % but we fought like 20 mins before we decided that this wont lead anywhere. so i rly tried . ive also got points into the cp that reduces enemy regen and effectivity of defile so im rly shocked that he heals away.
Just for the record was he doing any damage worth mentioning?
no. no dmg that would be dangerous1 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Can I ask for what reason are you dueling a healer? It’s much easier to turtle up and go defensive, than to go on offense. Even in an offensive medium armor kit if I don’t bother going offensive I can pretty much keep the fight going indefinitely against most people I encounter barring some really good ones. Magplars especially can easily easily tank one person. And what do you mean by better gear and how wide is the CP gap? In general healers are stronger than damage output from a dps. That’s necessary I think otherwise healers would be entirely at the mercy of their group and have zero ability to survive should they find themselves in a tight spot so holding their ground until help arrives or they can get away to put up an FC or whatever seems kind of necessary to me. I wouldn’t worry about it really. Aside from using amped up defile and or cost poisons it should be really difficult.
Edited by Vapirko on February 23, 2019 8:06AM0 -
IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭Any healer unable to stall a fight against 3 players indefinitely is not a PvP healer.
Trust me with 2-3 angry werewolves no healer lasts long
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Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
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Noctus✭✭✭✭✭Can I ask for what reason are you dueling a healer? It’s much easier to turtle up and go defensive, than to go on offense. Even in an offensive medium armor kit if I don’t bother going offensive I can pretty much keep the fight going indefinitely against most people I encounter barring some really good ones. Magplars especially can easily easily tank one person. And what do you mean by better gear and how wide is the CP gap? In general healers are stronger than damage output from a dps. That’s necessary I think otherwise healers would be entirely at the mercy of their group and have zero ability to survive should they find themselves in a tight spot so holding their ground until help arrives or they can get away to put up an FC or whatever seems kind of necessary to me. I wouldn’t worry about it really. Aside from using amped up defile and or cost poisons it should be really difficult.
i tell u im the most tryhard person in pvp u will ever meet. i will find a way. i dont care if i have to give up my main forever. do or die for me. a pvp system in which someone cant die in an honorable fight is flawed. if there is a way ill find out. i would rather cripple my build to the extend of only beeing able to beat healers and no other role just so people can taste defeat in a honorable duell.Edited by Noctus on February 23, 2019 8:25AM0 -
Vermethys✭✭✭✭I think the key is to make sure he's out of stamina and then burst him down while he is feared and can't break free. So, maybe use double DoT or cost-increase poisons, Crippling Grasp and Fear on cooldown, Soul Harvest used before hard hitting abilities like Spectral Bow, and Zaan can come in handy too. If he's got too much resistances, it could be good to use Ele Drain. I think there are poisons that apply Major Defile, they could be useful in this particular scenario.PC EU CP1400+
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Noctus✭✭✭✭✭vermillion2077 wrote: »I think the key is to make sure he's out of stamina and then burst him down while he is feared and can't break free. So, maybe use double DoT or cost-increase poisons, Crippling Grasp and Fear on cooldown, Soul Harvest used before hard hitting abilities like Spectral Bow, and Zaan can come in handy too. If he's got too much resistances, it could be good to use Ele Drain. I think there are poisons that apply Major Defile, they could be useful in this particular scenario.
the poisons are too weak currently i think the defile one lasts like 3 seconds with 10 seconds cooldown with a 20 % chance to proc thats not rly great.
winning the stamina game seems like a good idea but he has sword and board while i have staves there is no way u win that one becouse ur stamina wont regen with staff heavys.
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geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ask him to go take a bathroom break once you've started the duel...PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place3 -
Berenhir✭✭✭✭✭
✭IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »
No need to trust you if you claim such nonsense. Maybe if you play nCP or if you fight console trash.
Edited by Berenhir on February 23, 2019 3:37PMPC EU - Ebonheart Pact - Gray Host - Death Recap -#zergfarming -0 -
ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The trick is to get them to run out of health points before you run out of yours.
Stick to that concept and it’s easy-peazy.0 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭My roommate and I play together. He is a healer and I'm a glass Cannon. We are both agro wardens, he only dies to cc. Always hit 1million healing.0
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Meetre✭✭✭I main a magplar healer in cp pvp. It is very difficult for one player to burst my build down (can be done, just not by many). Key to winning a fight against a healer is to run them out of stam. Once they are out of stam, hit hard THEN cc so they cannot heal while you finish them off. This is not a sprint, but a marathon of a fight...and timing is everything.2 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not sure what skills you’re using, but you’re going to need to set up a burst. Something along the lines of:
Apply self buffs: Minor Berserk (Merciless Resolve) and Major Prophecy + Sorcery (potions, or entropy + inner light)
Charge up your bow proc and Ultimate
Apply target debuffs: Major Breach (Reapers mark or elemental drain)
Apply DoTs: Crippling Grasp
Cast Delayed Ultimate: Shooting Star or Eye of the Storm work well
CC enemy before they purge your DoTs and debuffs or block your ultimate, Nightblade fear is the best option
Fire bow proc (Assassins Will) right as ultimate lands and enemy is CC’d
Hit a couple of spammables if target is still above 25% health (swallow soul, crushing shock, or Ele weapon)
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Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Can I ask for what reason are you dueling a healer? It’s much easier to turtle up and go defensive, than to go on offense. Even in an offensive medium armor kit if I don’t bother going offensive I can pretty much keep the fight going indefinitely against most people I encounter barring some really good ones. Magplars especially can easily easily tank one person. And what do you mean by better gear and how wide is the CP gap? In general healers are stronger than damage output from a dps. That’s necessary I think otherwise healers would be entirely at the mercy of their group and have zero ability to survive should they find themselves in a tight spot so holding their ground until help arrives or they can get away to put up an FC or whatever seems kind of necessary to me. I wouldn’t worry about it really. Aside from using amped up defile and or cost poisons it should be really difficult.
i tell u im the most tryhard person in pvp u will ever meet. i will find a way. i dont care if i have to give up my main forever. do or die for me. a pvp system in which someone cant die in an honorable fight is flawed. if there is a way ill find out. i would rather cripple my build to the extend of only beeing able to beat healers and no other role just so people can taste defeat in a honorable duell.
Nbs are not and honorable playstyle but are fun here and there. Magnb is not in the best spot atm so there is that.Though everyone dies in PvP you just need to learn more and develop your theory crafting and gain experience which takes time. Dueling builds are very different then what you would run in PvP open world. Though dueling a non damage tanky or healer really doesn't make any sense. They fall easy in open world, they may get to stand there for a little longer but that is about it. I would suggest practicing in Stormhaven with other players in duels. That is one of the places I spend a decent amount of time dueling with other players, refining my builds and skills. Everyone there is really nice and fun to be around, which would help you improve your skills in playing the game. Good luck
Edited by Girl_Number8 on February 23, 2019 7:07PM0 -
Mrsinister2✭✭✭✭✭Good luck templars can build to where one single player will never ever kill them unless they don't know what there doing.
Best advice I can give is heavily attack his Stam and defile as much as possible but a 1v1 vs a tanky heal bot Templar is a giant waste of your time you'll be at it forever0 -
Valldez✭✭✭my magplar use 3 infused spellcost reduction and asylum resto, only dies if my team get negate+bomb, or left behind on a intense war marathon..
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