Ackwalan wrote: »

You forgot the grand overlord rank.

That could cost a good sum of Crowns.. oh, wait


... somehow I now imagine the marketing people suddenly getting that wild look in their eyes

Ackwalan wrote: »

You forgot the grand overlord rank.

And Former Emperor Title.



Another option would be delete all characters other than the first character on the list. That would solve a lot of problems.

Probably for most people, this "power level" scroll should only apply to older classes (including Warden since it become older when Summerset released). This way people can't complain about a pletora of lvl50 necromancer players on release day.

What you should get is a Martyred Hero token.

Can only be used on a character who has maxed out all riding skills, has maxed out mages guild, fighter's guild, and undaunted, has maxed out all crafting skills, and has completed Cadwell's Gold. This would make them a legendary figure across Tamriel.

When the token is consumed, this character then has a dramatic scene where we see them standing atop a high mound of dead daedra as more and more continue up, the hero fighting valiantly as they annihilate wave after wave while beyond we see people lead refugees away from the slaughter, then see the hero finally fall. The character is then deleted and any items on them transferred to the bank.

You then get an option on creating a new character to use up a Legacy Token for any such hero. This character is then level 50 and has maxed out those abilities upon creation.

You also get a memorial added to your collection, a large statue of your character that can be placed in your home to remember them by.

If you don't want to play a new character don't create one.

Look a troll, being very trolly.

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

how about HELL NO!?

it is not exactly difficult to hit 50 and it is not like you will have to grind the CP again either.

yeah having to level to 50 is what you think the problem is? how about leveling all the skill lines and skills in them? how about the basically the year of crafting leveling all the time you put in to them learn every single trait and farming and learning every single motif in the game, then getting all the skyshards you need? and the 180 days of going to the stable master, oh and all the gold you spent level up your bag space, but oh yeah, it's easy to get to level 50 though lmao!! So I can change my race though? but I can't let my guy learn a new job? have him learn a different set of skills. It's absurd to suggest having to do that all over again to people. That is for people with no money and all the time in the world. If you have a character like that you have put in enough time to earn a class change. People who don't have all their lives to spend on this game deserve to be able to pay for that one small special favor. I like the idea of making it like the prize for doing Caldwell's gold too, but you should still be able to pay for it even if it's not cheap and it just be name/race/class and appearance. maybe 4000-6000 crowns or something.

MornaBaine wrote: »

I'll be interested to hear from those who want a class change token since 90% of those people I've seen speak of it want it for exactly the things I state in the poll: Not wanting to have to grind through every single little thing they've already done, in some cases, ten or more times before. Compared to all the things one COULD ask for that many of our max level characters have, it's fairly minor. Personally, I'd be happy with JUST the full mount training because that "system" is absolutely terrible to begin with.

The reason I want a class change token is so I can swap my main character to a class I'd be more comfortable with. I see where you're coming from with the suggestion and I see the other side too. For me personally, my issue can be solved with a class change token or alternatively, it could also be solved if the achievement tracker were account wide instead of character based. If my characters all shared achievements, then for me, I would no longer be tied to one main character. It would be 15 characters all working toward one grand achievement goal rather than one character hunting achievements and 14 others that have no interest in it.

Leveling is fine.

No opinion on whether or not (certain) world/guild skill lines should be account wide. If they are, they should only become account wide at character level cap and if at least one character on your account has maxed the rank of the line.

The skill points granted by Skyshard gathering should be account-wide, like CP. You should still be able to collect Skyshards per character like now, since some people like the run-around, just without Skyshards you've already unlocked counting toward the skill point gains.

I think this actually entirely MISSES the heart of the class change token issue. A lot of people (that I have seen) want a class change because they made their main from the selection of classes available. They love their main. They've been through a lot together. But if x class had been available at the start, their main would be x, not y and now it's either give up the main you love for the class you wanted, or continue playing a class that doesn't quite fit your character vision, even though the new class is what it should have been all along.

TLDR: It's not the grind elements that's the issue with class change. It's having to choose between class and beloved, established character.

redspecter23 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I'll be interested to hear from those who want a class change token since 90% of those people I've seen speak of it want it for exactly the things I state in the poll: Not wanting to have to grind through every single little thing they've already done, in some cases, ten or more times before. Compared to all the things one COULD ask for that many of our max level characters have, it's fairly minor. Personally, I'd be happy with JUST the full mount training because that "system" is absolutely terrible to begin with.

The reason I want a class change token is so I can swap my main character to a class I'd be more comfortable with. I see where you're coming from with the suggestion and I see the other side too. For me personally, my issue can be solved with a class change token or alternatively, it could also be solved if the achievement tracker were account wide instead of character based. If my characters all shared achievements, then for me, I would no longer be tied to one main character. It would be 15 characters all working toward one grand achievement goal rather than one character hunting achievements and 14 others that have no interest in it.

You're so right about this. I hate that I basically have to designate ONE character as my "everything character!" My other characters would get so much more play if I didn't constantly stop and realize, "Hey if I get X achievement on this character, then I always have to remember this character has this achievement because if I, say, go to an achievement vendor on the "wrong" character then I won't be able to buy that nifty achievement furnishing. I'll have to swap over." Then, stop to consider that if I do different content on different characters I basically have to keep notes on who has what. Then think about how many achievements tied to some sort of reward there are. Take a crafter. Spend points to max out a craft or two on one character, then other crafts on other characters, which would make sense when it comes to skillpoint allocation, but then there you are at some set crafting station, you've made your armor but, oh wait, now you have to switch to ANOTHER character to make your weapons. And maybe that's not so horrible....but then they tied furniture crafting to all kinds of skills and if you don't have all those skills maxxed on ONE character... well then you have to be incredibly careful which furnishing plans you learn on each character. Because your woodworker won't be able to make things your blacksmith can! The whole thing is just nuts! And it absolutely makes the case for making achievements account-wide!

So, if they did this, AND added mount training to it as well for the players who would LIKE to try different classes but don't want to be gimped in PVP with their "crippled" horse/guar/shiny weird thing from the gamble boxes, then I would not AT ALL mind leveling a new character class from zero on up. I'm actually a weirdo who ENJOYS the leveling process and always tries to do quests I haven't done a bunch of times before because I actually enjoy the questing process and the cool writing that goes into so many of them. THAT is playing the game and I LIKE it. What I DON'T like is the months long wait of daily log ins just to get a horse that doesn't make me want to smash my head on my keyboard.

MornaBaine wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

Look, I really REALLY want class change, I do. But remember you agreed to a Term of Service before you created your account in this game:

"ZeniMax may patch, update, or modify a Service at any time with or without notice to You. Notwithstanding the foregoing, ZeniMax has no obligation to make available any patches, updates or modifications or correct any errors or defects in the Services. ZeniMax makes no guarantees about the persistence or availability of any user names or other personas at any time and assumes no liability for lost or deleted Account data. Except as prohibited by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1), You agree that ZeniMax will not be liable for any interruption of the Services, delay or failure to perform, any loss of Content (including, but not limited to, UGC, Game Mods and Downloadable Content), and/or Account data (including, but not limited to, Character data) resulting from any causes whatsoever. ZeniMax reserves the right to offer new Services, change and/or discontinue certain Services at any time in its sole discretion."

So really when you think about it the ONE race token that they offer is more than being kind. Does it suck for us the players that they made changes to the racial passives? Maybe. But we agreed to the ToS. So no we are actually NOT entitled to what you are asking for.

I don't recall saying I am entitled to this. And yes, I'm aware of the TOS. I'm probably one of the few people who reads things like that. All the OP is, is one possible alternative for those who have been asking for a class change (which, admittedly, I would love to have) token that ZOS has said they CAN'T give us because it's too hard for mysterious technical reasons. So, my suggestion is a thing they COULD do. Not as good as a class change token for those who really DO just want to change the class of an existing character, but something that would still have a tangible benefit for most people.

Like I said, I am still hoping they do the class change. I really need that. I have a crafter who has learned most of the motifs including the ones I bought from the store. I'm sorry if I misinterpreted what was written in OP, but you said "SHOULD"... Anyways, I am honestly hopelessly praying that they add a race change. lol :P

Tandor wrote: »

These entitlement posts are getting quite silly. Don't roll another character if you don't want to play it.

Tandor, really? I DO want to play a new character. I want to go quest my little black necromantic heart out! What I DON'T want to do is spend MONTHS with a crippled mount that a passing nixad can knock me off of and that the average grandmother could catch in a foot race!

You know what IS silly? People deciding they "know" why people want the things they ask for and how they play the game. If you don't ask, you don't know.