Will Dunmer Be Viable Hybrid?
Vaerth
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With the changes to racials, will there finally be a viable DD build with Dunmer?
I am guessing not, but wishful that I could have a good mix of Magicka and Stamina. A 2H Lightning Sorc build would be awesome if I could use some Magicka effectively with Stamina
I am guessing not, but wishful that I could have a good mix of Magicka and Stamina. A 2H Lightning Sorc build would be awesome if I could use some Magicka effectively with Stamina
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mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Not for PvE, but you could probably come up with some interesting PvP builds.Edited by mairwen85 on February 19, 2019 3:55PM0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you want to do a hybrid, Dunmer will still be a good choice.
Now, whether or not that hybrid will be viable...
That depends on what level of content you want to do. The fundamental math of damage scaling from max resources that disadvantages hybrids vs dedicated mag or stam builds hasn't changed.0 -
Krayl✭✭✭✭✭Depends on what “viable” means to you. A hybrid in PVE is not going to hit the numbers of a specialized mag or stam character. The game is not designed that way, and race choice has little to nothing to do with how many skills, buffs, and utilities you can fit on to your bar or into a rotation.
If you’re just running solo quests and normal dungeons you’re fine being a hybrid, but you always have been.
In pvp hybrids are much more viable just because of the amount of utility that is needed.1 -
Fluke.Slywalker✭✭✭It doesn't much matter about racial passives or what ZOS do in that regard. I suppose it depends on what you consider viable?
It's logic. Max stats = resource pool and dps scaling so to make a Hybrid, you will need to cut those stat pools, split the attributes, resulting in a flat DPS loss. Even in PvP when a Hybrid could have use, it would still lack in raw power due to scaling damage.
That's not rocket science lol.2 -
Vaerth✭✭✭✭Fluke.Slywalker wrote: »It doesn't much matter about racial passives or what ZOS do in that regard. I suppose it depends on what you consider viable?
It's logic. Max stats = resource pool and dps scaling so to make a Hybrid, you will need to cut those stat pools, split the attributes, resulting in a flat DPS loss. Even in PvP when a Hybrid could have use, it would still lack in raw power due to scaling damage.
That's not rocket science lol.
Who said anything about it being rocket science? Gosh I hope new players can avoid people who say things like that, toxic attitude. Simple to be kind, for most.
Is there a down vote button on here? lolPact Bloodwraith3 -
Fluke.Slywalker✭✭✭Hahaha! I guess that as a bit harsh** to add the rocket science bit, my bad Edited by Fluke.Slywalker on February 19, 2019 4:38PM2
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MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, probably some crazy aoe cannon with blockade, class aoe + endless hail + caltrops, with vma bow/pelinal staff might be effective on trash pools.0 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If you use pelinal, and focus on weapon damage with medium armor, you can have something viable for most content, except vet stuff. 3,3k weapon damage, spell damage, 1k or so regens maybe a bit more, with 28k resource pools and 17k health. That's on dunmer sorc with pelinal's and shacklebreaker. Is it viable? Yes. Is it good? That'll depend on what you're doing. For PvP, it is interesting, for overland, it's great, for dungeons on normal you do just fine. A few easier vets too, but I tried only some of these. If you tweak here and there, you could have better Regen for sustain, or more damage, or more resources. Mosnter set of my choice was engine guardian for added sustain and survivability, but there are better options, I assume.1 -
Red_Feather✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The game has to change to make hybrid useful. And even though I like hybrid it got boring because every type of content it can tackle can be face-rolled anyway.0 -
Vaerth✭✭✭✭Fluke.Slywalker wrote: »Hahaha! I guess that as a bit harsh** to add the rocket science bit, my bad
Well, I do appreciate that
I am a returning player, still sorting out how everything goes but it has been 4 years since I played really lol. I honestly was hoping to be able to use Magicka class skills with a 2H weapon. Was aiming for a Thor build, 2H Axe with Magicka spells like Mages Fury. My hopes for a hybrid style was for class skills with a weapon I like. As we all know, ZoS made Magicka builds locked to a staff. Which I hate so very much.Pact Bloodwraith0 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭For most vet content in PvE a hyrbid wont work, its not efficient.
In pvp they can work but theyre very specialised builds and still quite hard to get decent crit and penetration in both pools which is the big draw back1 -
Nolic1✭✭✭Viable yes group allowed most likely not in most cases. A hybrid and a true hybrid can only be done on Darkelf all other races are ok but not as good. The problem is they can only do about 30k dps which is viable for all content including trials but they can not do more then this making them not as wanted in trials.Sherman from Sherman's Gaming
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VexingArcanist✭✭✭✭The question isn't will Dunmer be Hybrid viable for content X, they always were. The question is will Hybrids be viable for content X.0
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Vaerth✭✭✭✭Viable yes group allowed most likely not in most cases. A hybrid and a true hybrid can only be done on Darkelf all other races are ok but not as good. The problem is they can only do about 30k dps which is viable for all content including trials but they can not do more then this making them not as wanted in trials.
Thank you, I figured an answer like this would be the case. I was hoping maybe it would be good enough for Vet dungeons. I do not plan to do Trials, or PvP.Pact Bloodwraith0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Fluke.Slywalker wrote: »Hahaha! I guess that as a bit harsh** to add the rocket science bit, my bad
Well, I do appreciate that
I am a returning player, still sorting out how everything goes but it has been 4 years since I played really lol. I honestly was hoping to be able to use Magicka class skills with a 2H weapon. Was aiming for a Thor build, 2H Axe with Magicka spells like Mages Fury. My hopes for a hybrid style was for class skills with a weapon I like. As we all know, ZoS made Magicka builds locked to a staff. Which I hate so very much.
For overland questing you can do fine.
For anything harder, you need to be able to perform your role in the group. So, assuming Damage Dealer, you would need to practice your DPS until you can complete the content. For normal dungeons, that bar is pretty low and you should be able to reach it on a hybrid character if you practice it. Anything harder will take a lot more effort to practice on your part and it will be harder to reach really high DPS on a hybrid because of how ESO scales damage fron your max stat.
Since you've been gone a while, there are no longer soft caps on resources. Instead your magicka skills do more damage in part with the more magicka you have and your stamina skills increase in damage the more stamina you have. So ESO now rewards stacking all attributes into either magicka or stamina and min-maxing into one resource pool.
Most hybrids use Pelinal's Aptitude and stack weapon damage to compensate for their lack of damage from one stacked resource.0 -
rafaelcsmaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭It can be an hybrid in the sense that it is viable on both mag and stam builds.
Both at the same time? I'd say no2 -
Vaerth✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Fluke.Slywalker wrote: »Hahaha! I guess that as a bit harsh** to add the rocket science bit, my bad
Well, I do appreciate that
I am a returning player, still sorting out how everything goes but it has been 4 years since I played really lol. I honestly was hoping to be able to use Magicka class skills with a 2H weapon. Was aiming for a Thor build, 2H Axe with Magicka spells like Mages Fury. My hopes for a hybrid style was for class skills with a weapon I like. As we all know, ZoS made Magicka builds locked to a staff. Which I hate so very much.
For overland questing you can do fine.
For anything harder, you need to be able to perform your role in the group. So, assuming Damage Dealer, you would need to practice your DPS until you can complete the content. For normal dungeons, that bar is pretty low and you should be able to reach it on a hybrid character if you practice it. Anything harder will take a lot more effort to practice on your part and it will be harder to reach really high DPS on a hybrid because of how ESO scales damage fron your max stat.
Since you've been gone a while, there are no longer soft caps on resources. Instead your magicka skills do more damage in part with the more magicka you have and your stamina skills increase in damage the more stamina you have. So ESO now rewards stacking all attributes into either magicka or stamina and min-maxing into one resource pool.
Most hybrids use Pelinal's Aptitude and stack weapon damage to compensate for their lack of damage from one stacked resource.
I was not aware the soft cap was removed! Well, thank you kindly for that info!Pact Bloodwraith0