Why would anyone make an Altmer now when they can make a Dunmer?

Bigevilpeter · February 2019

I mean its no big deal if you already have an Altmer, but im talking about making a new character Altmer get like 200 more max Magicka and are stuck with Magicka dps, Dunmer have the same damage and can be both Magicka and Stamina dps, not to mention the more max stamina is much more useful than stamina regen (which will be very small in practice).

When Necromancer comes out I'm definitely making a Khajit or Dunmer one so I can try both stamina and magicka with one character, I have 2 Altmers already which I probably won't change but there is no reason at all to make a new Altmer now.

Not saying Atlmers are weak, but they really need something to stand out from Dunmers.

nsmurfer · February 2019

Why would anyone make an Altmer when there is Dunmer?
Why would anyone make an Khajiit when there is Dunmer?
Why would anyone make an Nord when there is Imperial?

The list can go on and on.

bluebird · February 2019

Standing out as top magicka dps on almost every mag build isn't enough?

Kiralyn2000 · February 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

and are stuck with Magicka dps, Dunmer have the same damage and can be both Magicka and Stamina dps,

Because not everyone is going to respec their character back and forth between Mag & Stam?
(based on posts here, it seems like a lot of people make a Mag and a Stam of each class they want to play.)

ezio45 · February 2019

The racials really do needs work sadly... Zos really needed to plan out and differentiate what each race would specialize in.

Something like

Darkelf: Stam/mag dps with a large off pool
Highelf: mag dps with sustain
Khajiit: Stam mag for crit
Redguard: Stam dps with sustain

Breton: insanely high mag Regen
Woodelf: insanely high Stam Regen

Argonian: tanky mag
Orc: tanky Stam

Nord: ulti tank
Imperial: classic tank

luen79rwb17_ESO · February 2019

Because they can pick a Breton aswell? It's called freedom of choice.

Emma_Overload · February 2019

Make all the Dunmers you want, my Bretons are gonna smoke all y'all!

ArchMikem · February 2019

Why would anyone make an Elf? Honestly, these questions keep this one up at night.

bluebird · February 2019

ArchMikem wrote: »

Why would anyone make an Elf? Honestly, these questions keep this one up at night.

Because their eyebrow game is on point?

hakan · February 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I mean its no big deal if you already have an Altmer, but im talking about making a new character Altmer get like 200 more max Magicka and are stuck with Magicka dps, Dunmer have the same damage and can be both Magicka and Stamina dps, not to mention the more max stamina is much more useful than stamina regen (which will be very small in practice).

When Necromancer comes out I'm definitely making a Khajit or Dunmer one so I can try both stamina and magicka with one character, I have 2 Altmers already which I probably won't change but there is no reason at all to make a new Altmer now.

Not saying Atlmers are weak, but they really need something to stand out from Dunmers.

Why would anyone make dunmer since hybrids dont work and altmer better mag and orcs are better stam?

You got so tilted, you dont know which race to pick on. LOL

mairwen85 · February 2019

@hakan Dunmer is only hybrid in so much that they are equally viable for both stam and mag (as in either/or), not hybrid in the way that are only viable if specced for both at once.

hakan wrote: »

You got so tilted, you dont know which race to pick on. LOL

At least not so tilted they don't know what they're talking about anymore.

As for the thread question. Dunmer is weaker still, not by much, but Altmer is still superior for mag. Dunmer is also inferior to Breton because 'sustain' -- ( and a dps margin of < 1% @ 60k is no argument, so let's not go there ) -- the only mag advantage Dunmer has is 'nerf resistance' which enables easy respeccing to stam if mag goes awry.

Stam benefits over Altmer, Dunmer has many -- but then you wouldn't choose Altmer anyway.

Vaerth · February 2019

ArchMikem wrote: »

Why would anyone make an Elf? Honestly, these questions keep this one up at night.

I wonder the same about people who like Cat people, who wants to be a furry cat man?

BomblePants · February 2019

I wonder the same about people who like Cat people, who wants to be a furry cat man? [/quote]

Hey! We love the ***.....

mairwen85 · February 2019

I want to mention that the question 'why X race when Y race' is kind of the point the racial changes intend to reach. When there is no one race that out performs another significantly, racial choice is more open to cosmetic reasons... Shame about khajiit being knocked down in the last iteration to widen the gap again. I really thought they almost nailed first time, just needed minor tweaks - - but zos tweaked with a pneumatic drill instead.

Mintaka5 · February 2019

Altmer just sucks. My Altmer magsorc performs worse on DPS than a Dunmer magblade as is. There's just no power, no health sustain, and DPS is strictly garbage. I get more enjoyment out of every other build that doesn't involve Altmer race. The gap in all attributes as far as magicka (magplar, magden, magblade, magdk) is concerned is huge. With the upcoming release I don't see any race qualities for the Altmer improving.

SilverIce58 · February 2019

Why would you make any mag race besides Breton? I've currently got 5, and its gonna be 6 once necromancer comes out.

teladoy · February 2019

Why did the people played dunmers when they could play an Altmer?

MLGProPlayer · February 2019

hakan wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I mean its no big deal if you already have an Altmer, but im talking about making a new character Altmer get like 200 more max Magicka and are stuck with Magicka dps, Dunmer have the same damage and can be both Magicka and Stamina dps, not to mention the more max stamina is much more useful than stamina regen (which will be very small in practice).

When Necromancer comes out I'm definitely making a Khajit or Dunmer one so I can try both stamina and magicka with one character, I have 2 Altmers already which I probably won't change but there is no reason at all to make a new Altmer now.

Not saying Atlmers are weak, but they really need something to stand out from Dunmers.

Why would anyone make dunmer since hybrids dont work and altmer better mag and orcs are better stam?

You got so tilted, you dont know which race to pick on. LOL

The difference between Altmer and Dunmer is 12 spell damage.

In exchange for losing 12 spell damage, Dunmer get to be the #2 stamina race as well.

MLGProPlayer · February 2019

mairwen85 wrote: »

I want to mention that the question 'why X race when Y race' is kind of the point the racial changes intend to reach. When there is no one race that out performs another significantly, racial choice is more open to cosmetic reasons... Shame about khajiit being knocked down in the last iteration to widen the gap again. I really thought they almost nailed first time, just needed minor tweaks - - but zos tweaked with a pneumatic drill instead.

Not really.

Why pick Altmer when Breton provides the same damage and more sustain?

Why pick Altmer when Dunmer provides the same damage and can swap to stamina DPS if you want?

Tradeoffs = balance.

We see this on live right now between Altmer and Dunmer. Want more damage? Pick Dunmer. Want more sustain? Pick Altmer.

mairwen85 · February 2019

@MLGProPlayer I said the same pretty much further up. My follow up post was meant as the intended goal, not the effective result.

But yes, balance is almost what we have. But what we will also never likely see. Breton besting Altmer is one example - - should be better sustain less damage. That way you have a 3 directional balance option for mag.

Seraphayel · February 2019

Because you want to? Because they're not black or brown or grey? Because you like their lore more? How many reasons do you need? It's not all about numbers. If you care about the tiny differences in their DPS or performance then go and play Dunmer.

Steelshiv · February 2019

nsmurfer wrote: »

Why would anyone make an Altmer when there is Dunmer?
Why would anyone make an Khajiit when there is Dunmer?
Why would anyone make an Nord when there is Imperial?

The list can go on and on.

Fixed this for MagDPS specifically

Why would anyone make an Altmer when there is Dunmer?
Why would anyone make an Altmer when there is Breton?
Why would anyone make an Altmer when there is Khajiit?

There is NOTHING to that would entice a player to pick Altmer. They are bland and uninteresting for me. Kind of upsetting since my main Magsorc is Altmer.

Jaraal · February 2019

Why would anyone make an ugly Dunmer now that they get no fire bonus?

Wildberryjack · February 2019

I'm not min-max'ing for vet trials so I'm going to play what I want. My main is an Altmer MagSorc and he will STAY an Altmer.

Seraphayel · February 2019

Steelshiv wrote: »

nsmurfer wrote: »

Why would anyone make an Altmer when there is Dunmer?
Why would anyone make an Khajiit when there is Dunmer?
Why would anyone make an Nord when there is Imperial?

The list can go on and on.

Fixed this for MagDPS specifically

Why would anyone make an Altmer when there is Dunmer?
Why would anyone make an Altmer when there is Breton?
Why would anyone make an Altmer when there is Khajiit?

There is NOTHING to that would entice a player to pick Altmer. They are bland and uninteresting for me. Kind of upsetting since my main Magsorc is Altmer.

Okay, then don't play an Altmer anymore if you think they are uninteresting. What's the problem?

I find it absurd that players are entitled enough to think that ZOS must present them stuff they might find exciting enough to play or not play especially when it's just about numbers or pretty pointless stuff.

There are 10 races. If Altmer isn't for you (anymore), pick another one. Altmer after the changes are for sure not less bland or uninteresting as they are now. They're almost as boring of a race as Bretons (humans) are - and I say that as somebody who usually played Bretons in this game. I can't anymore. Now I play Khajiit and Argonian (well, my DK is still High Elf).

Lord_Eomer · February 2019

mairwen85 wrote: »

@MLGProPlayer I said the same pretty much further up. My follow up post was meant as the intended goal, not the effective result.

But yes, balance is almost what we have. But what we will also never likely see. Breton besting Altmer is one example - - should be better sustain less damage. That way you have a 3 directional balance option for mag.

He will not understand but ZOS does!

Bouldercleave · February 2019

ezio45 wrote: »

The racials really do needs work sadly... Zos really needed to plan out and differentiate what each race would specialize in.

Something like

Darkelf: Stam/mag dps with a large off pool
Highelf: mag dps with sustain
Khajiit: Stam mag for crit
Redguard: Stam dps with sustain

Breton: insanely high mag Regen
Woodelf: insanely high Stam Regen

Argonian: tanky mag
Orc: tanky Stam

Nord: ulti tank
Imperial: classic tank

That is absolutely the opposite of what people asked for. For months everyone was clamoring on about how all races should be able to be equal in all roles. ZoS made a move to even things out, and now everyone is whining about not enough racial diversity...

We should just all agree on one thing - no one is ever going to be happy.

Bigevilpeter · February 2019

Jaraal wrote: »

Why would anyone make an ugly Dunmer now that they get no fire bonus?

Is it because they are black you racist :P joking aside, many people think look cool including myself

hakan · February 2019

mairwen85 wrote: »

@hakan Dunmer is only hybrid in so much that they are equally viable for both stam and mag (as in either/or), not hybrid in the way that are only viable if specced for both at once.

hakan wrote: »

You got so tilted, you dont know which race to pick on. LOL

At least not so tilted they don't know what they're talking about anymore.

As for the thread question. Dunmer is weaker still, not by much, but Altmer is still superior for mag. Dunmer is also inferior to Breton because 'sustain' -- ( and a dps margin of < 1% @ 60k is no argument, so let's not go there ) -- the only mag advantage Dunmer has is 'nerf resistance' which enables easy respeccing to stam if mag goes awry.

Stam benefits over Altmer, Dunmer has many -- but then you wouldn't choose Altmer anyway.

What i said was; Dunmer are second to both specs. He is annoyed by Altmer losing DPS race by 1 percent. if he thinks there is no reason to choose altmer, then there is no reason to choose dunmer too because they both lose the dps race by very minimal percentage. Dunmer hybridability doesnt matter when you focus one stat in this game, which is what every DPS player does. im happy with my dark elf. i like dunmers. no problem for me.

and on the second thought. Altmer has some protection with casting/channeling which is nice for Templars i believe?

alanmatillab16_ESO · February 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I mean its no big deal if you already have an Altmer, but im talking about making a new character Altmer get like 200 more max Magicka and are stuck with Magicka dps, Dunmer have the same damage and can be both Magicka and Stamina dps, not to mention the more max stamina is much more useful than stamina regen (which will be very small in practice).

When Necromancer comes out I'm definitely making a Khajit or Dunmer one so I can try both stamina and magicka with one character, I have 2 Altmers already which I probably won't change but there is no reason at all to make a new Altmer now.

Not saying Atlmers are weak, but they really need something to stand out from Dunmers.

Because not everyone is a FOTM-reroller.

Epilog · February 2019

I am confused. Dunmer had a bonus to fire damage, so they were better. Now Altmer is slightly better. Still Altmer players get totaly mad instead of the Dunmer players. Strange.