Spriggans + hawks eye

i like this thread, good infos.
thanx dudes.

yeah in pvp Bone Pirate is a must unless your gonna not dodge roll ever.

There's also Sheer Venom, which works with Poison Injection. Back when I had a Stam DK, I combined that with Skoria + Morag Tong

Incredibly squishy, but fun

russelmmendoza wrote: »

If you wanna bowgank but its squishy.
Marksman 5pcs.
Hawkeyes 5pcs.
Asylum bow front.
Generic 2h. (For rally)
Go like this.
Rally. Relentless focus. Piercing mark.I find you and kill you Bombard. Poison injection. Lethal arrow. Draining shot. Lethal arrow. Death
Hope that helps.
Hail! Sithis!!!

hope this helps

I run Hawk Eye, Spriggan, 1 Kena, 1 Velidreth, and backbar a Master battle axe.

The master battle axe is great when you get in a melee situation and easier to hit than Suprise Attack.

Zeromaz wrote: »

People so mad cause they bad at the bow. Such a deep seeded hate for this weapon because everyone believes its so easy to pull off. If you honestly believe that, you’d all be doing it too. This is the laziest gaming community that gravitates to the least effort for the highest return. The dawnbreaker steel tornado meta reinforces this statement. Its mindless and doesn’t even require a target, but very effective. Doesn’t require the thought of when an execute needs to be triggered. The skill does the thinking for ‘em.

Go ahead badasses. Try the bow and when you’ve had enough of getting worked over, do us all a favor and go back to your heavy armor bleed setup

all truth.
well said.

Zeromaz wrote: »

Stigant wrote: »

Zeromaz wrote: »

People so mad cause they bad at the bow. Such a deep seeded hate for this weapon because everyone believes its so easy to pull off. If you honestly believe that, you’d all be doing it too. This is the laziest gaming community that gravitates to the least effort for the highest return. The dawnbreaker steel tornado meta reinforces this statement. Its mindless and doesn’t even require a target, but very effective. Doesn’t require the thought of when an execute needs to be triggered. The skill does the thinking for ‘em.

Go ahead badasses. Try the bow and when you’ve had enough of getting worked over, do us all a favor and go back to your heavy armor bleed setup

No we would not, cause some of us don't find it much entertaining to snipe from sneak than queue another snipe and back into cloak in attempt to IK someone... than rinse and repeat or die trying to run away if actually confronted in combat.

I don't hate on that playstyle, I understand some people like to play like that. I myself used to run a high burst bow build for couple of weeks quite successfully, but grew bored of that playstyle. Cause it was actually just that... the least effort for highest return.

And yes, it is quite easy to pull off the combo, approximately as hard as lining up subterranean + DBoS + Tornado. Except that you only target single target from range instead of going toe to toe with someone.

The problem with facing bow build, imho, is all those bugs and issues on the receiving side not that bow is too strong by itself. Problem is snipes desyncing healthbar, snipes landing within 1 second from the same source even tho snipe has more that 1 s cast time, problems with braking free from scattershot is broken and more often than not results in unbreakable stun or delayed breakfree, that a lot of bow users abuse since it was given full range... those are issues in desperate need of fix for last couple of months.

I’ll agree the health desync stuff is complete BS. Keep in mind, bow users have no way if intentionally causing this. It isn’t their fault. Why is the witch hunt against bow users and not against ZOS’ business model, or rather, the lack of?

Because there are, as in other MMOs, players that just go and abuse those issues and bugs to take advantage of that.
I 've met players openly admitting to using Draining Shot just because it has a chance to bug out and get the target stunned long enough to give them time window to kill without getting countered. When I asked how exactly does it works most of them don't even know, they just know it works and gives them easy kill opportunity.
That's why other players tend to hate on bow users... in the end it's ZoSs job to get the game working, I agree on that, but it still gets quite aggravating to have to face people that can win just by abusing broken mechanic and that say: "yes I know, that's why I do it."

Sets I like for my bow build

TBS, Spriggians, Marksman, Hawkeyes, Hundings Rage, Drugar Hulk, Archers Mind.

Tend to swap around between different combos of these.

Just use the psyjiic ability instead of mage light

Lab3360 wrote: »

Zeromaz wrote: »

People so mad cause they bad at the bow. Such a deep seeded hate for this weapon because everyone believes its so easy to pull off. If you honestly believe that, you’d all be doing it too. This is the laziest gaming community that gravitates to the least effort for the highest return. The dawnbreaker steel tornado meta reinforces this statement. Its mindless and doesn’t even require a target, but very effective. Doesn’t require the thought of when an execute needs to be triggered. The skill does the thinking for ‘em.

Go ahead badasses. Try the bow and when you’ve had enough of getting worked over, do us all a favor and go back to your heavy armor bleed setup

Thank you my friend.
What they are really saying is the build is effective and they hate being killed by it.

Hurt feelings. Pvpers I swear are the worse crybabies. Same thing happened in DCUO.
"If I an weak against a class, I ask for dev intervention and call for nerf.

These types make a game bad.

Its only partially that. Too many people automatically associate bow builds with being snipe spam builds, wich is grossly inaccurate. Warden bow builds can very much make a non snipe setup work and the its not easy.

I wouldnt pay it any mind personally. This is a game where the playerbase demands every aspect of player power come from player input instead of playing around procs and simultaneously shut their mouths when steel tornado spamming is perfectly just because you have to press a button despite requiring no target or coordination. Its fine because you are right there in the thick of a fight therefore its "skill" but when you are virtually doing the exact same thing (hammering on a button with a gear/build setup to bolster said button) from 28m away its "cheese and pathetic".

exeeter702 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Zeromaz wrote: »

People so mad cause they bad at the bow. Such a deep seeded hate for this weapon because everyone believes its so easy to pull off. If you honestly believe that, you’d all be doing it too. This is the laziest gaming community that gravitates to the least effort for the highest return. The dawnbreaker steel tornado meta reinforces this statement. Its mindless and doesn’t even require a target, but very effective. Doesn’t require the thought of when an execute needs to be triggered. The skill does the thinking for ‘em.

Go ahead badasses. Try the bow and when you’ve had enough of getting worked over, do us all a favor and go back to your heavy armor bleed setup

Thank you my friend.
What they are really saying is the build is effective and they hate being killed by it.

Hurt feelings. Pvpers I swear are the worse crybabies. Same thing happened in DCUO.
"If I an weak against a class, I ask for dev intervention and call for nerf.

These types make a game bad.

Its only partially that. Too many people automatically associate bow builds with being snipe spam builds, wich is grossly inaccurate. Warden bow builds can very much make a non snipe setup work and the its not easy.

Snipe-less stamNB builds are possible too. To introduce some more variety in my builds (I’m planning on making a mag necromancer, which would have left me with four mag builds and only two stambuilds), I reinvented my magNB as a stamNB. I mostly do BGs, so I built the character with that in mind. I run 5 Spriggans, 5 Marksman, 1 Kena, 1 Domihaus (or 2 BS, if I need more defence). 5 impen, 2 well-fitted. Front bar is Poison Injec, Bombard, Crushing Weapon, Relentless, Cloak, Ballista, back bar is Rally, Piercing Mark, Shuffle, Leeching, Vigor, and Soul Siphon. I play mid-range to support my team, and use cloak sparingly to ensure they’re not taking more damage than they should. The key is to lull players into a false sense of security until you have your Merciless proc up, then hit them with Bombard > LA > Cloak > Relentless > LA > Poison Injection. Finish off with Ballista if that burst combo doesn’t do the job. It’s a fairly durable build that will help you support your team better than the average bow gank build, and it’s still capable of dishing out high damage without relying on buggy skills. I usually have one of the highest scores, and sonetimes even have THE highest score — which feels pretty good, given that it’s an unorthodox NB build. It’s difficult to pull off, but it’s fun and I don’t feel guilty (like I did the one and only time I tried Snipe).

I use Clever Alchemist and Spriggans. Yeah, Clever Alchemist means you need to start combat before getting the buff but you typically don't get the kill with the first hit.