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Im So Bummed and Mad at this Game. Lost my Progression Spot.

kylewwefan
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I lost my Progression spot for VMOL, now back to being an alt. Because real life got in the way. Again. Feels like I’m always on and playing this game, but never at the right time. I’ll probably have no interruptions for the next year, but the past three weeks stuff comes up and I can’t make it. I’ve had to leave in the middle and then had friends show up out of the blue, then being stuck out and would be late.

Really I can’t blame them for kicking me out of that spot. There’s 11 other real people waiting and ready and I can’t get myself straight 1 day in a month. Adulting blows. I think the vast majority of players in this game are just like me. We can’t fill out rosters half the time because people don’t want to commit to something they might get pulled away from at a moments notice.

Availability is such an issue. Trying to get the same 12 people to be available, ready and willing to play at the same time a couple weeks in a row to work on something is quite the achievement in itself.

I’m just so upset and disgusted with this game. I put so much time and effort into it, but it’s never the right time. Eff it. Let’s have a beer.
Edited by kylewwefan on February 16, 2019 12:41PM
  • Turelus
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    Join more guilds, we have five slots so you should be able to find one or two who do progression raiding but in a way that works around peoples lives.
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  • MartiniDaniels
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    And how is game guilty in this? 0_o
  • boggo
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    And why do you hate the game?
  • Moonsorrow
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    This seems like you are drunk and somehow blaming the game that you lost your raid spot because you are busy with friends and drinking?

    Hmm..

    Oh well, enjoy your drink and have a good weekend! :)
  • kylewwefan
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    There’s frustration about finally being able to get into a progression. Then having miss them for real life issues. I’m not gonna be mad at my friends or family. But this game. It shouldn’t be like that.

    You can’t pick up group these things with any kind of reasonable success. It’s terrible. They know this. That’s why there’s no group finder for trials. There never will be. I wouldn’t be surprised if they remove vet dungeons from group finder.
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    I have to agree that I too find it frustrating that there is a big aspect of the game, that I other wise love, that I can't really take part in because it requires people to prioritize the game over real life. It is what it is tho and I can see why it is designed that way. Still irks me tho.
    Edited by lokulin on February 16, 2019 1:40PM
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  • Emma_Overload
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    Not sure why people are ragging on the OP. This could happen to anyone with a job or a kid or a girlfriend or military service or any other kind of real life responsibility. Let the guy vent!
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  • Verbal_Earthworm
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    So I guess this is a good time to ask:

    What is a progression spot?
  • kaithuzar
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    This is partial to why I just sit in ts & do solo pvp. If people wanna pop in & join me, fine. But I’m not relying on specific people for my entertainment, only fandoms that show up to be ganked.
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    If they made the content more reasonable to complete, there wouldn't be this issue. It doesn't need to be so easy anyone can do it, but it at least could be at the level that maybe 10% could do it so that there is always someone running one.

    Instead its all based off like .1% of the playerbase because it requires way more than just being skilled.
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    So I guess this is a good time to ask:

    What is a progression spot?


    Well, Progression is a group of people coming together to work on hard content. Everyone is hand picked, can meet certain requirements. Schedules are set to get everyone on at the same time. There’s a core group and subs, in case some can’t make it.

    Here’s what’s gonna happen in my experiences. The core group finally beats the content after several weeks of progression. Then never go back in there again. All of a sudden, they’re unavailable. Maybe just quit playing? Who knows.
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    So blaming real life is appropriate for why you can’t be on your game 24/7? Yeah real life sucks, but I also have priorities there, so I can’t blow my time playing the game 24/7 so I just accept that.
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    Not sure why people are ragging on the OP. This could happen to anyone with a job or a kid or a girlfriend or military service or any other kind of real life responsibility. Let the guy vent!

    I imagine they'd have taken a different, more sympathetic, approach if the OP had complained about RL sucking, rather than blaming the game for the fact that he cannot commit to a fixed time for his gaming because of RL complications.
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    I’ll drop this game in a heartbeat when real life issues come up.

    The problem with this game is it’s so hard to get 12 good competent people in group at the same time. I feel bad leaving player friends to find a replacement, but what am I gonna do? We just make it to Rakkat, and my dad shows up at my front door. Cya.

    It’s strange calling it real life issues. It’s more like real life happens and is immediately and instantly %100 more important than anything going on in this game.

    Now I’m back to square one. I gotta get a group of weekend warriors that’ll just go in and bang their head against the wall late Friday /Saturday night and hope to get stuff done! Committing to progression stuff is just not really working.

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    This is how any MMO with end game raiding works. Your optoins are to get over it, and find a guild with more lenient requirements or stop playing. Whining on the fourms about real life getting in the way will solve nothing.
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    Like you say, trying to coordinate 12 people to consistently commit a couple hours to do anything is a challenge. That's just life. Not clear on how that is the fault of a game.

    Edited by Shantu on February 16, 2019 3:07PM
  • Verbal_Earthworm
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    kylewwefan wrote: »
    So I guess this is a good time to ask:

    What is a progression spot?


    Well, Progression is a group of people coming together to work on hard content. Everyone is hand picked, can meet certain requirements. Schedules are set to get everyone on at the same time. There’s a core group and subs, in case some can’t make it.

    Here’s what’s gonna happen in my experiences. The core group finally beats the content after several weeks of progression. Then never go back in there again. All of a sudden, they’re unavailable. Maybe just quit playing? Who knows.

    cheers for the answer, sounds like far too much effort for me
  • MakeMeUhSamich
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    Finding a Trials group is the true end game.
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    Ajax_22 wrote: »
    This is how any MMO with end game raiding works. Your optoins are to get over it, and find a guild with more lenient requirements or stop playing. Whining on the fourms about real life getting in the way will solve nothing.

    They’re allowed to vent, it’s no biggie. I can empathize with OP.
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    How is it that you WANT to be in progression groups which go into content that is hard enough to no be able to just PUG, yet mad that you can't PUG them? This is a "you" problem or at very least, you need better in game friends. n

    EDIT: I can relate to the IRL stuff getting in the way. When I had my son over 18 years ago, there was a lot of things I couldnt commit to any more in games. As responsibilities and real life changes, you have to understand what kind of gamer you actually can be. I used to drive to gaming tournaments back then without having a lot of internet gaming. Now; Im lucky if I can be in voice comms or even not just be bad at the game
    Edited by technohic on February 16, 2019 3:23PM
  • Zathras
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    kylewwefan wrote: »

    I’m just so upset and disgusted with this game. I put so much time and effort into it, but it’s never the right time. Eff it. Let’s have a beer.

    It's not the game; it's the guild you are in.

    I mean, I get it. They want a team to do the content, and it's easier to work with a solid gang. That is what works best with them.

    What you need to do, is find a guild that works best for you.

    There are plenty of guilds comprised of people who have busy lives. People who understand what "adulting" means, and who try to have fun in the free time they can make available. That doesn't necessarily mean they are super casual and don't run end-game content either. It just means they have realistic expectations, and work with and respect other guildmate's schedules and obligations.

    At any rate, try not to sweat it. The game is still awesome. There are other guilds out there that are a better fit.
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  • Wolfkeks
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    Like stated above maybe find a different guild.

    One of my guilds also have profession groups, but as long as you meet the requirements, all is good. You sign up for the event on their website, and even if you haven't been able to make it for a couple of weeks (I had to sign off lot of times due to real life stuff last minute) it's no problem for them, and we still beat the content.

    Hope you manage to find such people and beat vMoL!
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  • AlboMalefica
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    OP! I feel your pain, I was part of a decent trials group that was contending with the top end content but irl stuff got in the way and couldn’t commit fully (as with some of my friends). We all went out separate ways and some completed the content and I kinda got left behind. But I’m trying again so hopefully will catch up soon! Just keep trying and remain positive ❤️
  • Trinity_Is_My_Name
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    I hear ya but it isn't the game's fault.
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    I feel bad for OP. And was inclined to let this be a place to vent about the sometimes frustrating intersection between hobbies and other commitments. But then I started reading comments about how zeni should make content easier so things like this don’t happen. No. Just no.

    90% of the game is already faceroll easy. It’s really unreasonable to ask the only 10% that’s challenging get dumbed down to cater to people who have other priorities.

    "Casuals" Will always be at a disadvantage compared to people who spend more time playing. This is true for every hobby. Always.

    The guy who only rides after work with the kids a few days a week will never keep pace with a competitive cyclist. The guy who only jogs on Saturday mornings will not be a competitive marathoner. The person who golfs a few times a year will never be as good as the person who does a few times a week. The driver who tracks Laguna Seca over and over will post more consistent times then a guy doesn't.

    And a daily (or hard-core) gamer in an MMO will have more money, better gear, and more achievements than someone who plays rarely and/or casually. It's unreasonable to expect any differently. If you're not OK with that, single player games and hobbies might be better for you.
    Edited by Reverb on February 16, 2019 3:47PM
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  • Wifeaggro13
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    kylewwefan wrote: »
    I lost my Progression spot for VMOL, now back to being an alt. Because real life got in the way. Again. Feels like I’m always on and playing this game, but never at the right time. I’ll probably have no interruptions for the next year, but the past three weeks stuff comes up and I can’t make it. I’ve had to leave in the middle and then had friends show up out of the blue, then being stuck out and would be late.

    Really I can’t blame them for kicking me out of that spot. There’s 11 other real people waiting and ready and I can’t get myself straight 1 day in a month. Adulting blows. I think the vast majority of players in this game are just like me. We can’t fill out rosters half the time because people don’t want to commit to something they might get pulled away from at a moments notice.

    Availability is such an issue. Trying to get the same 12 people to be available, ready and willing to play at the same time a couple weeks in a row to work on something is quite the achievement in itself.

    I’m just so upset and disgusted with this game. I put so much time and effort into it, but it’s never the right time. Eff it. Let’s have a beer.

    I think one of the major issues is the End game community is so damn small now , it had very little support or content that progression population moved on. The bad part is most updates do not bring them back either. the was teaming with Trial people a couple years ago. The lack of any real vertical system in character development has really left nothing for that playstyle to do other then alt or PVP. Its a bummer your in that posistion. It was better times when people had 3 or 4 progression groups going at any given time and could easily field their time slots. I understand the frustration with adulting i dont play this MMO anymore because i dont feel my time spent is rewarding , and when new content does come its primarily leveling content with no levels and the story is not that great to play it likes its a single player RPG.ZOS has been feeding at the churn base population with crown store, easy bake DLCs that are reskins . very rudimentary game systems have allowed them to pump out shallow chapters that are large but not deep. I think part of the issue is though the game population is good they are all visitors, they dont find value ion ESO plus. They dont really play all of the game just come in do some quests play some dungeons and leave again. It was very profitable but there is only so many people in the MMO gaming market and once you have recycled them so many times they quit coming back for the same game just a new image.Its almost like a bad realationship lol.
    Edited by Wifeaggro13 on February 16, 2019 5:30PM
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    You're angry with the game, over a problem with your Trials Guild?

    :|
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  • Noctus
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    i have a solution. make it possible to get the gear through a single player dungeon which is as hard as maelstrom. done. or make it avaible for 5 million AP or smthing like that. boom done.
    Edited by Noctus on February 16, 2019 4:11PM
  • ATomiX96
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    vmol progression groups in 2019

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    kylewwefan wrote: »
    There’s frustration about finally being able to get into a progression. Then having miss them for real life issues. I’m not gonna be mad at my friends or family. But this game. It shouldn’t be like that.

    You can’t pick up group these things with any kind of reasonable success. It’s terrible. They know this. That’s why there’s no group finder for trials. There never will be. I wouldn’t be surprised if they remove vet dungeons from group finder.

    I'm confused-- do you think this is a game design problem, a community problem, a content difficulty problem, or a you problem?

    Honestly, this reads like every other frustration post I've read in other game forums where there is raiding available. Seems like it's a clash of MMO tradition against the changing lives of its core audience. I wouldn't be surprised if raiding eventually either dies or evolves into something else. It's going to take awhile, though. The audience is full of purists.

    And if that's the case, what do you think ZOS needs to do about it?
    Edited by jainiadral on February 16, 2019 4:29PM
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