Yes.

Just stop

For all intents and purposes "on hold indefinitely" means dead. It's a great idea that can't be fully realized at this time. Much like the "Justice System".

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

For all intents and purposes "on hold indefinitely" means dead. It's a great idea that can't be fully realized at this time. Much like the "Justice System".

Well, the justice system would have been great, but it had potential harasment possibilities so i guess it is best not to be added...However it was only half of the system and the thievery part was added.

I think people are opposed to this just ecause they fear the allmighty balance issues. It is really sad, since only balance these people really need, is one meta build or two, and this is allready the thing here. They balance it themselves by choosing the best skills and equipment. No matter how much balancing is done, the one or two metabuilds will always be the things they use unless game is balanced in the way where every class basically has same skills and passives and the difference is only visual.. There would be no levels or cp or any options in gear other than tank, heal and dps if even that.. Game like that would die very fast.

Elaborate why not? Simple no has nothing constructive about it. Are you afraid that the PVP balance will be broken? It would not, as it will be fully balanced the way it allready is. Those that really care about such thing, jusrt choose the best build and others complain. This will never change or at least i cant see it happenoing. The game is allready too much watered down of what it was on launch and the seek for balance should be concentrated to where it really can be achieved, by people acting together towards goal. Not for self merit in PVP but for cooperative play of groups. This is where balance is found like in old D&D world.

This thread is kinda like the guy who wanted the battle royale thing and another who wanted a justice system. All dead horses that many don’t want.

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

This thread is kinda like the guy who wanted the battle royale thing and another who wanted a justice system. All dead horses that many don’t want.

If people don't want spellcrafting in an elder scrolls game, its because they drove all the original elder scrolls players away.

Tapio75 wrote: »

For your info. It is not dead. It is in hold indefinitely. It is also almost complete system, so i doubt they will just waste the thing but most likely have it in spare until they need something new to be added and theres no more classes they want to add.

Besides the game really needs those traditional TES spells we dont currently have and this will add them.

Yes they said they have thought about it but there are no plans for it for the forseeable future.
They have not said anything about working on it or what state it is in other than they "looked at it"
They have not said anything about it being anywhere near "complete" nor any indication they have worked on it in any way whatsoever.

I'm guessing it will be part of the new chapter in 2020. We don't have much to go by so far, but the pattern so far has been:

2017 - New Warden class and 3 class skill lines
2018 - New crafting skill line (jewelry) and new classless spell skill line (Psijic)
2019 - New Necromancer class and 3 class skill lines

So 2020 could easily be - New crafting skill line and classless spells (spellcrafting)

I'll be pleasantly surprised if it shows up in Q4 2019, but I'm not too hopeful. It's also possible that the system will be put into place, with the spellcrafting tables, but only a few spells available immediately. Then they can add a few with each DLC.

Keep asking, majority of forum users were against the Necromancer class. Now they mostly ask how OP it might be. Once spellcrafting is announced people will get used to it. Unless its as grindy as JC in which case it might be barely used

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

For all intents and purposes "on hold indefinitely" means dead. It's a great idea that can't be fully realized at this time. Much like the "Justice System".

@stewhead2ub17_ESO
Felt the need to point out the justice system isn’t on hold. It was decided that would not be good for the game.

Completely unlike spell crafting where the developer lead left the company and seemingly no one remained for years who was capable of finishing the development.

One is something they never want to do but know how to do it, while the other is one they want to add but may lack the know how.

Where did you get the information that it's "almost done"? Rich said in their follow-up for the Elsweyr stream that it's only on the backburner and something they're interested in, but it's something that also isn't on their 'roadmap' and they have no plans to do anything with it any time soon. He never said anything about how it's 'almost done'; if anything, the way he was talking made it seem like it's something they haven't given much thought to it (at least in recent times), let alone done much work on. As for the QuakeCon thing, just because it 'appeared' to almost be done is in no indication equal to it actually almost being done. And mentioning specifically only one thing that needed to be updated also doesn't mean there aren't a whole lot of other parts of the system that AREN'T yet complete.

As for the thing itself, I'm not sure why people want it so much. There's absolutely 0 information on how it might work other than the preview in QuakeCon (which as we all know stuff in beta rarely remains the same), seeing as it's not even something they're working on atm. Balancing it is the biggest thing; look at how much trouble ZOS has balancing the Skills we already have. Every time they change something for PvP or PvE, it always ends up affecting the other play-style to some degree, usually for the worse. Now imagine trying to balance Spellcrafting too, especially since I feel like people would expect to have a bunch of freedom with spell effects and stuff. In reality I'd think it would be a lot more restricted, more like how Skills work in that you're limited in what you can do, as opposed to being more open like Enchanting or Alchemy. The more open and complex spells might be able to be made, the harder it would be to balance them.

There's also the fact that I don't really think it would introduce as much diversity and new combat stuff as people imagine it would. Within probably a few days, maybe weeks depending on how complex the system might be, the min/maxers and number crunchers will have determined which kinds of spells are BIS, and most people will only really use those more than likely. Of course a large number of people would probably not care about the meta and just derp around with it for fun, but then they'd also probably get bored of it after a bit and not bother with it anymore, once the novelty wore off.

Consider, also, balancing stuff against the Skills we already have. Would the spells be stronger, like ults? Or would they be more in-line with the 'average' power of a Skill? Would they be weaker in power but have more effects like snares, bleeds, regen ability, etc? If they're stronger than the Skills we have already then everyone will just run those same spells instead of running the same Skills. If they're weaker but offer larger utility, people will just use those over available CCs/roots/stuns/buffs/debuffs/etc. If they're weaker overall, no one will even bother using them. If they're ult-level in strength, they'd have to be limited like ults themselves are, and unless they're more useful than the most commonly-used ults like Warhorn or Dawnbreaker, they'll never get used.

What about what resource to use for them? Magicka makes sense because spells, right? But what about Stam-based characters who need all their limited Magicka for the few skills that require that resource? You can get around that by making it pull from a different resource, like ults do, but then you have three different resource pools to keep track of. What about making them a consumable then, like scrolls from other TES games? That could work, since they could be slapped into the quickslot wheel and swapped between on the fly like potions or food/drink.

Which brings us to another question. DO they get made into some kind of consumable, or do they become an active thing that gets put on your Skillbar? The former seems to make the most sense and be the easiest implementation, but if it's the latter I can see a LOT of people not bothering with it, mostly more casual people who don't want to mess up their bars and learn a new rotation. Of course min/maxers and meta-chasers would use them regardless since that sort of thing is just how they play the game, which there's nothing wrong with it. But a lot of people I can see not wanting to bother with it, if it would require them to give up Skills they're already familiar with and all.

All in all there's a LOT to consider for new systems like this, which is probably the main reason it's not something they're working on with more important things going on, such as working on Necro and ongoing balance stuff (which are Rich's words, not mine).

Tapio75 wrote: »

Steelshiv wrote: »

I agree that the game does need more options on the spell-side. I would love to make my own spells that catered specifically to my needs and my play style. It would be a nightmare for balance in the beginning though.

The system they developed, was nothing like we had in Oblivion for example. it was more like enchanting, where on finds certain components and opened a premade spell.

It would bo no more or less a nightmare to balance than what we currently have. People can always only have certain number of abilities slotted and besides, game has basically always been balanced by different classes streths and weaknesses. It is the unimaginitive and selfcentered playerbase, that assumes all classes need to perform the same way while in truth, making a fully balanced game would make the game extremely boring and have real difference between characters being only visual.

Endless balancing has allready made Warcraft a shadow of what it used to be. It is now visually pleasing yes, but the real character of different classes has gone away and people only have limited number of choices they can make because some minmaxers demanded more options.. Now they have more visual options, happy? Meanwhile nothing has changed. Niche number of playerbase still uses that one build which is deemed "Worthy" while most of the players just use what is fun or still google the "Right build". Nothing ever changes so the balancing should just be stopped.

Oblivion spellcrafting was an bit more broken than crafting in SKyrim.
It was more fun however: Illusion: Making goblin warlords permanently hostile to goblins was insane. Using sheogorath as an combat pet more so, no he was not very effective and he would not leave the island.
Destruction was more boring, you just killed OP stuff fast.

TES III morrowind was an magnitude more broken, main issue with my spells was not crashing the game: summon an pack of daedra, then buff them with +200 strength and 200 health regen second.
Most awesome was elegant in its simplicity: buffing an group of hogs and hogriders with levitation, then have them follow me off an cliff, wait to the levitation effect wear off
You could also buff werewolf jump ability with 500 for more fun then they jumped an target. Not tested this myself but as I understand they died of fall damage.

No it would not work well in an MMO for some reason

Zaryc wrote: »

That's what they said about Necromancy for years, yet here it is...


Personally I want to join the Gray beards (and grow a gray beard).