This almost 25 to 30% difference in dps between a Redguard MagSorc and Altmer is ***
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✭LightMaster7 wrote: »LightMaster7 wrote: »
But RIGHT NOW as it stands in the LIVE GAME the difference IS around 25 to 30% at end game and it is a crock of Sh*t!
What is the point in complaining about the racial passives on live when we know its changes in a few weeks?
On the new passives, dont forget the weapon cost reduction applies to ults too. Redguard magsorcs will be popping destro ults like its going out of style.
I hope your right. I mean I can handle myself pretty well as a MagSorc, not complaining about that but man I have a bone to pick with why Altmers or other races, just because of their RACE, doe 25 to 30% more dps and have BETTER SUSTAIN than Redguard MagSorcs? This really feels broken and stupid.
What's broken and stupid was your lack of reading race/class descriptions when you made a Redguard mag sorc. Because of a lack of comprehension on the part of some, and the dev's drive to remove any form of depth from the game we are now getting Altmers with stamina passives.Edited by Diminish on February 8, 2019 7:17AM1 -
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✭✭1-2% is the difference between the magicka races. Redguards are not a magicka race. You're obviously pulling those numbers out of your ass though, the difference is probably somewhere between 3-5%.Edited by MaxJrFTW on February 8, 2019 7:19AM"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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✭LightMaster7 wrote: »Well the same can be said for High Elf Stam Sorcs, why cant they pull as much as a Redguard Stam Sorc. Because they dont get racial passives that benefit the spec.
We get 3 free race changes you can use one.
I have no problem at all if they allow Altmers to swap their magicka to stamina also. I mean let the player play as he/she pleases with whichever race or class they feel like.
Player choice should affect the game. Are you new to video games? This shouldn't change just because you made a poor decision. Did you even read race descriptions before making your character? It's obvious you didnt, and now you want to cry about balance. Saddest part, the dev's are catering to people like you. This game is almost to the point of having just as many impactful decisions as candy crush.Edited by Diminish on February 8, 2019 7:24AM0 -
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✭✭Facefister wrote: »How to get put on the ignored-list: The Thread
how do we put to ignore tho? cant find it.
Good question... Is that even an option? Never saw it anywhere.0 -
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Took my Khajiit magsorc since launch stamina after MurkmireLadyLethalla wrote: »I have a Redguard NB who after years of stam discovered a real affinity for magic... so that she could get the Stormproof title.
Not fun without the huge shields, hat tricks was to res tank in vet dlc dungeons
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Edited by zaria on February 8, 2019 9:29AMGrinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭✭Why doesn't my cabage taste like a banana.. this is BS!
Yeah, I said it.Edited by Skwor on February 8, 2019 12:48PM2 -
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✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »LightMaster7 wrote: »
And you think your contributions to the other threads on the racials don’t count as getting your feedback in?
Sure I do, but I'm making sure Redguard Magicka Sorcerers are being HEARD!
I loved how you used the plural there. As if there's more than one Redguard magicka sorcerer. xDEdited by Ectheliontnacil on February 8, 2019 1:10PM2 -
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✭LightMaster7 wrote: »Yeah I said it. It IS bullsh*t. 1 to 2% dps my arse! Some of these people really have no clue.
Can you direct us to some evidence that shows this disparity? Genuinely interested.0 -
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✭✭✭✭I think the "1-2% difference" that is thrown around is referring specifically to comparisons between magicka races (Dunmer, Altmer, Breton, Khajiit), not across ALL races. That seems...obvious.
But I'd be very surprised if redguard vs high elf was an honest 30% difference. That sounds like a fudged test to me.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub1 -
Kalgert✭✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »Well the same can be said for High Elf Stam Sorcs, why cant they pull as much as a Redguard Stam Sorc. Because they dont get racial passives that benefit the spec.
We get 3 free race changes you can use one.
I have no problem at all if they allow Altmers to swap their magicka to stamina also. I mean let the player play as he/she pleases with whichever race or class they feel like.
Player choice should affect the game. Are you new to video games? This shouldn't change just because you made a poor decision. Did you even read race descriptions before making your character? It's obvious you didnt, and now you want to cry about balance. Saddest part, the dev's are catering to people like you. This game is almost to the point of having just as many impactful decisions as candy crush.
You discovered hyperbole, congratulations. Give yourself a pat on the back! Now go away, you're not exactly contributing anything worthwhile with your whinging of "Muh Candy Crush Decisions" (Actually, since you seem to have mentioned it, does this mean you play it? Hmmm....)
That aside, I personally feel like there could always be place for racials to have two parts: General racial perks, and then three lines that benefit all three attributes, though races that have their descriptions tailored to "More Burly" or "More Magical" get benefits to their anointed attribute.
Example: Nords are said to be burly folk. If this kind of racial system were in place, they'd see better racial perks for the Health/Tanking choice, while their Stamina/Magicka choices would not be as good, but would still allow them to be able to... You know, perform well enough without falling behind completely.
Of course, to avoid the inevitable salt coming from people like this guy I quoted, you'd be able to choose only one line at any given time. So if you wish to reroll, you'd have to go Pray to go down a different route, if you decided to switch over to Stamina from Health, or Magicka from Stamina.0 -
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1-2% is between magic and stamina races on the raid parses who has been tested by players.DeadlyRecluse wrote: »I think the "1-2% difference" that is thrown around is referring specifically to comparisons between magicka races (Dunmer, Altmer, Breton, Khajiit), not across ALL races. That seems...obvious.
But I'd be very surprised if redguard vs high elf was an honest 30% difference. That sounds like a fudged test to me.
Its down 5-6% for races with no racial passives for magic or stamina. 3-4K on an 60K parse
If you do 30K effect is smaller 1-5-2K.
Races like Argonians and Imperials is around 1% below weakest of the pure damage classes.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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1-2% is between magic and stamina races on the raid parses who has been tested by players.DeadlyRecluse wrote: »I think the "1-2% difference" that is thrown around is referring specifically to comparisons between magicka races (Dunmer, Altmer, Breton, Khajiit), not across ALL races. That seems...obvious.
But I'd be very surprised if redguard vs high elf was an honest 30% difference. That sounds like a fudged test to me.
Its down 5-6% for races with no racial passives for magic or stamina. 3-4K on an 60K parse
If you do 30K effect is smaller 1-5-2K.
Races like Argonians and Imperials is around 1% below weakest of the pure damage classes.
Yeah, that's....absurdly close.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub1 -
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Can not find the post with the parse, its also from previous version but can not imagine its much above 7%DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
1-2% is between magic and stamina races on the raid parses who has been tested by players.DeadlyRecluse wrote: »I think the "1-2% difference" that is thrown around is referring specifically to comparisons between magicka races (Dunmer, Altmer, Breton, Khajiit), not across ALL races. That seems...obvious.
But I'd be very surprised if redguard vs high elf was an honest 30% difference. That sounds like a fudged test to me.
Its down 5-6% for races with no racial passives for magic or stamina. 3-4K on an 60K parse
If you do 30K effect is smaller 1-5-2K.
Races like Argonians and Imperials is around 1% below weakest of the pure damage classes.
Yeah, that's....absurdly close.
And yes it has never been more than 10%, as I understand an Altmer varden does more damage as stamia in current meta as magic warden weak.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
1-2% is between magic and stamina races on the raid parses who has been tested by players.DeadlyRecluse wrote: »I think the "1-2% difference" that is thrown around is referring specifically to comparisons between magicka races (Dunmer, Altmer, Breton, Khajiit), not across ALL races. That seems...obvious.
But I'd be very surprised if redguard vs high elf was an honest 30% difference. That sounds like a fudged test to me.
Its down 5-6% for races with no racial passives for magic or stamina. 3-4K on an 60K parse
If you do 30K effect is smaller 1-5-2K.
Races like Argonians and Imperials is around 1% below weakest of the pure damage classes.
Yeah, that's....absurdly close.
I agree. Any parse in the 1% difference range is insignificant. It is likely less then 1% of the player base would ever have a noticable impact. A player has to be in the 1% high end to see the difference and even at that they would not care at a practical level.
The real problem for the forums though is so many believe they are the 1% and go into hysterics over this. Makes it all funny given they never will realize this level of performance let alone notice the difference.0 -
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✭LightMaster7 wrote: »LightMaster7 wrote: »
And you think your contributions to the other threads on the racials don’t count as getting your feedback in?
Sure I do, but I'm making sure Redguard Magicka Sorcerers are being HEARD!
Yeah I agree! Just look the Elswyr necro is a Resguard! Magicka Redguards need buff!PC/DC/NAserver
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✭Yes, if you deliberately play bad on your Altmer, you CAN achieve a 30% gap.
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