This almost 25 to 30% difference in dps between a Redguard MagSorc and Altmer is ***
LightMaster7
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Yeah I said it. It IS ***. 1 to 2% dps my arse! Some of these people really have no clue.
Edited to remove profanity.
Edited by ZOS_Ragnar on February 8, 2019 2:37PM Edited to remove profanity.
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russelmmendoza✭✭✭✭✭
✭Please show your video.
I really want to see the result/reprecaution of their race balancing.
In the name of balance.Edited by russelmmendoza on February 8, 2019 3:58AM10 -
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✭✭Not arguing, but what test numbers are you looking at? Genuinely interested b/c I'm back on the fence about some of the changes now that we know CP calculation is being tweaked."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard0 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭Well not sure about how things stand with Racial balancing on PTS now, but the only improvement Redguards are getting for magicka is the what 8% reduction cost for either stamina or magicka skillz as I've heard right? This isn't really going to help out dps too much, it may help out *** poor magicka sustain though.
But RIGHT NOW as it stands in the LIVE GAME the difference IS around 25 to 30% at end game and it is a crock of Sh*t!2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »Well not sure about how things stand with Racial balancing on PTS now, but the only improvement Redguards are getting for magicka is the what 8% reduction cost for either stamina or magicka skillz as I've heard right? This isn't really going to help out dps too much, it may help out *** poor magicka sustain though.
But RIGHT NOW as it stands in the LIVE GAME the difference IS around 25 to 30% at end game and it is a crock of Sh*t!
All that matters is how it is on the PTS right now.
It is best to deal with actual information than what you have heard.
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✭✭✭✭✭Redguards aren't made for magicka builds. You'll see a huge difference between a magsorc that uses a "stamina" race versus one that uses a "magicka" race.
*Edit* Maybe you were joking, in which case, ha ha.
Edited by SydneyGrey on February 8, 2019 4:04AM3 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »Redguards aren't made for magicka builds. You'll see a huge difference between a magsorc that uses a "stamina" race versus one that uses a "magicka" race.
Well when I started this game over a year ago now, I didn't "get" that Altmers were the preferred race for Magicka Sorcerers. WHY THE F*CK does the Redguard even have a choice to be a MagSorcerer then? I don't really get this?0 -
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✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »
And you think your contributions to the other threads on the racials don’t count as getting your feedback in?1 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »
And you think your contributions to the other threads on the racials don’t count as getting your feedback in?
Sure I do, but I'm making sure Redguard Magicka Sorcerers are being HEARD!1 -
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✭LightMaster7 wrote: »
But RIGHT NOW as it stands in the LIVE GAME the difference IS around 25 to 30% at end game and it is a crock of Sh*t!
What is the point in complaining about the racial passives on live when we know its changes in a few weeks?
On the new passives, dont forget the weapon cost reduction applies to ults too. Redguard magsorcs will be popping destro ults like its going out of style.1 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »
But RIGHT NOW as it stands in the LIVE GAME the difference IS around 25 to 30% at end game and it is a crock of Sh*t!
What is the point in complaining about the racial passives on live when we know its changes in a few weeks?
On the new passives, dont forget the weapon cost reduction applies to ults too. Redguard magsorcs will be popping destro ults like its going out of style.
I hope your right. I mean I can handle myself pretty well as a MagSorc, not complaining about that but man I have a bone to pick with why Altmers or other races, just because of their RACE, doe 25 to 30% more dps and have BETTER SUSTAIN than Redguard MagSorcs? This really feels broken and stupid.0 -
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✭Well the same can be said for High Elf Stam Sorcs, why cant they pull as much as a Redguard Stam Sorc. Because they dont get racial passives that benefit the spec.
We get 3 free race changes you can use one.PS NA
Have played all classes.
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Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Oh lordy, you had me worried that pts numbers were coming in that showed redguard 30% ahead of altmer... That was almost heart attack number two lol."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard5 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭Well the same can be said for High Elf Stam Sorcs, why cant they pull as much as a Redguard Stam Sorc. Because they dont get racial passives that benefit the spec.
We get 3 free race changes you can use one.
This is what I'm saying. Why do we even need to change races? Why not just give the same ability to Redguard to change Stamina passives to Magicka? Say, make it cost a couple CP points?
I mean c'mon? I don't see why this would be lore breaking or interrupt the game. Just swapping stamina passives to magicka for Redguard. I mean after all aren't they the necro race? bwahaha0 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Oh lordy, you had me worried that pts numbers were coming in that showed redguard 30% ahead of altmer... That was almost heart attack number two lol.
And why not? Maybe then you'll understand my displeasure at the current situation between Redguard MagSorcs and other more optimized races for Magicka that play MagSorcs?
I thought the whole POINT of these racial changes was to make other races able to play classes in a more diverse way? I mean like WTF?0 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭Well the same can be said for High Elf Stam Sorcs, why cant they pull as much as a Redguard Stam Sorc. Because they dont get racial passives that benefit the spec.
We get 3 free race changes you can use one.
I have no problem at all if they allow Altmers to swap their magicka to stamina also. I mean let the player play as he/she pleases with whichever race or class they feel like.0 -
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✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Oh lordy, you had me worried that pts numbers were coming in that showed redguard 30% ahead of altmer... That was almost heart attack number two lol.
And why not? Maybe then you'll understand my displeasure at the current situation between Redguard MagSorcs and other more optimized races for Magicka that play MagSorcs?
I thought the whole POINT of these racial changes was to make other races able to play classes in a more diverse way? I mean like WTF?
No, no... I most certainly agree that the difference needs to be closer. It's just with the weird Stam regen they threw on altmer worries me and I mistook your post to mean altmer had been zos'd again.
I like your idea about choosing Stam or mag with the passives available, maybe even condition it on your highest max stat. More attributes towards mag means the passives flip to mag, more to Stam they flip to Stam.
Hell, make it dynamic so if you have a bit of attributes in both, you get a little of both in passives... Hello hybrids!Edited by Siohwenoeht on February 8, 2019 4:23AM"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard0 -
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True, previous parse was 5-6% or 2K on an 60K parse.russelmmendoza wrote: »Please show your video.
I really want to see the result/reprecaution of their race balancing.
In the name of balance.
Most amusing that an Redguard magblade would out dps an Breton magDK on that parse.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Redguard Sorc will be sub-optimal for PvE, but for PvP it should be fine if you build for it. The weapon cost reduction is very strong if you want to use Reach as a spammable.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE2 -
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✭✭Guys, please, don't give attention to this one OP. That's all he wants. Troll post after troll post, hyperbole and foul language every single time. Just report and move on.Edited by ZonasArch on February 8, 2019 5:06AM9 -
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✭I have a Redguard NB who after years of stam discovered a real affinity for magic... so that she could get the Stormproof title.
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likecats✭✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »Redguards aren't made for magicka builds. You'll see a huge difference between a magsorc that uses a "stamina" race versus one that uses a "magicka" race.
Well when I started this game over a year ago now, I didn't "get" that Altmers were the preferred race for Magicka Sorcerers. WHY THE F*CK does the Redguard even have a choice to be a MagSorcerer then? I don't really get this?
It's a role-playing game.
If someone wants to play a redguard magsorc, why should anyone limit their options?
Anyway, you get free race change token next patch. Change them to w/e you like.
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Its perfectly ok to complain about racial imbalances.LightMaster7 wrote: »
But difference is 5-6% or around 3-4K on an 60K parse. If you do 30K this will be 1.5-2K.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »
@ZOS_MikaS @ZOS_RikardD can you do anything about this guy, please? Sorry to tag you, but flagging only didn't work.
This shows how right my assessment was.0 -
BRODY✭✭I was game in TES3,4 and use redgard with 2h sword, i remember Skyrim and my orc with two weapons, high elf and his destruction magic. It was so powerful. And now OP need get redgard magica buff, heh, you maybe jokes or you realy crazy.Stamsorc EU PC Dagerfall alliance - On0
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