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There has simply been far too many changes
Mephisto939
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I am sick of all the radical changes to: gear/sets, skills, cp, classes and now race every time I turn around. I've grown tired of having to change everything across 12 characters every 3 months. I cancelled my sub last month and don't play anymore.
P.S. No you can't have my stuff.
P.S. No you can't have my stuff.
Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
Apparently to get stuck in an eternal load screen!
Apparently to get stuck in an eternal load screen!
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Devlin69✭✭✭I've had enough too I think, there is to much wrong with the game they are not fixing, they just seem to think it's OK to roll out new expansions and ignore the glaring problems. The EU servers just lately have been diabolical.
I certainly wont be subbing + in 6 month blocks any more and wont be buying the new expansion until a lot of this stuff is fixed.
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Nermy✭✭✭✭✭At least they haven't raised the gear level for years. Imagine having to completely gear 15 toons with L50 CP170 stuff...@Nermy
Ex-Leader of The Wabbajack [EU EP PvP guild - Now stood down from active duty]BLOOD FOR THE PACT!!!
Nermden - EP Warden, Nerm-in'a'tor - EP Dragon Knight, N'erm - EP Sorcerer, D'arkness - EP Nightblade, Nermy - EP Templar
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Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭MMO were not always like that though. Used to be an expansion brought new content, new skills and a few changes.
Now MMO expansions have many more drastic changes such that you feel like you're starting over rather than adjusting and adapting.
It's not just ESO doing this either.
Over the long haul though I do not think it's good because eventually that character you first created nowhere near plays the same due to all the changes made.0 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ya idk, I feel like zos has been leaning hard into the combat changes. I don't like it either. Not much to do about it I guess. Take a break and check it out when they're done overhauling everything and hope it doesn't suck. Basically what I'm doing0 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
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The thing is though if you take a look at these forums on any period before a PTS cycle it's threads demanding X be nerfed or Y be buffed. So players want balance passes.Juju_beans wrote: »MMO were not always like that though. Used to be an expansion brought new content, new skills and a few changes.
Now MMO expansions have many more drastic changes such that you feel like you're starting over rather than adjusting and adapting.
It's not just ESO doing this either.
Over the long haul though I do not think it's good because eventually that character you first created nowhere near plays the same due to all the changes made.
The issue is you can't make a balance change which makes everyone happy, because some people enjoy using over performing builds whilst others don't realise they're over performing and think they're being nerfed without good reasons.
I won't say ZOS gets it right every time or always makes the right calls, but we do get closer to balance with each update.
If you take these racial passive changes and compare how each class performs with just changes in race then we have a very thin gap, which is a good place for them to be.
They just need to work on the other gaps now which is build Magicka vs Stamina and classes vs one another.
Mostly above is based on PvE DPS potential, it gets much more complex with PvP and tank/heal roles.
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Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
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The thing is though if you take a look at these forums on any period before a PTS cycle it's threads demanding X be nerfed or Y be buffed. So players want balance passes.Juju_beans wrote: »MMO were not always like that though. Used to be an expansion brought new content, new skills and a few changes.
Now MMO expansions have many more drastic changes such that you feel like you're starting over rather than adjusting and adapting.
It's not just ESO doing this either.
Over the long haul though I do not think it's good because eventually that character you first created nowhere near plays the same due to all the changes made.
The issue is you can't make a balance change which makes everyone happy, because some people enjoy using over performing builds whilst others don't realise they're over performing and think they're being nerfed without good reasons.
I won't say ZOS gets it right every time or always makes the right calls, but we do get closer to balance with each update.
If you take these racial passive changes and compare how each class performs with just changes in race then we have a very thin gap, which is a good place for them to be.
They just need to work on the other gaps now which is build Magicka vs Stamina and classes vs one another.
Mostly above is based on PvE DPS potential, it gets much more complex with PvP and tank/heal roles.
Realistically though it's niche players that want their main classes to be OP in whatever area they concentrate in..pve or pvp.
The majority of any MMO are casual players who don't min/max and don't care if they top the dps charts or want to be OP in pvp battles.
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Uryel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Juju_beans wrote: »Realistically though it's niche players that want their main classes to be OP in whatever area they concentrate in..pve or pvp.
The majority of any MMO are casual players who don't min/max and don't care if they top the dps charts or want to be OP in pvp battles.
Exactly. But those niche players are also the more vocal and the more present on the forums. The annoying minority is alot more vocal than the silent majority, and that silent majority gets punished by changes made to please the vocal minority.
It's been the case for at least 20 years ,and I can't say anything before that because I didn't play MMOs before that...0 -
Raammzzaa✭✭✭✭✭Mephisto939 wrote: »I am sick of all the radical changes to: gear/sets, skills, cp, classes and now race every time I turn around. I've grown tired of having to change everything across 12 characters every 3 months. I cancelled my sub last month and don't play anymore.
P.S. No you can't have my stuff.
If you change your mind, can I have your stuff? 🤣
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MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »
The thing is though if you take a look at these forums on any period before a PTS cycle it's threads demanding X be nerfed or Y be buffed. So players want balance passes.Juju_beans wrote: »MMO were not always like that though. Used to be an expansion brought new content, new skills and a few changes.
Now MMO expansions have many more drastic changes such that you feel like you're starting over rather than adjusting and adapting.
It's not just ESO doing this either.
Over the long haul though I do not think it's good because eventually that character you first created nowhere near plays the same due to all the changes made.
The issue is you can't make a balance change which makes everyone happy, because some people enjoy using over performing builds whilst others don't realise they're over performing and think they're being nerfed without good reasons.
I won't say ZOS gets it right every time or always makes the right calls, but we do get closer to balance with each update.
If you take these racial passive changes and compare how each class performs with just changes in race then we have a very thin gap, which is a good place for them to be.
They just need to work on the other gaps now which is build Magicka vs Stamina and classes vs one another.
Mostly above is based on PvE DPS potential, it gets much more complex with PvP and tank/heal roles.
Realistically though it's niche players that want their main classes to be OP in whatever area they concentrate in..pve or pvp.
The majority of any MMO are casual players who don't min/max and don't care if they top the dps charts or want to be OP in pvp battles.
You are forgetting one psychological aspect - people don't care about majority of things until that things enter their personal space. When those happen they will fight for every inch of space between houses with their neighbors, every dollar of discount or point of magicka pool lol. I don't about what casuals are talking, i am in several guilds which is far from Hodor and still for whole days people talk about new racial passives, and everyone who is creating new tank is going for the nord, stamdps for orc and so on. They don't wanna race change though, they are simply rolling out new toons for trials.0
