AH is the reason my friends won't stay.

pelle412 · February 2019

ESO doesn't need a global AH. It may be convenient for some but it would kill off an entire sub-genre of play involving flipping, competition, trade management, guilds, etc.

ZonasArch · February 2019

pelle412 wrote: »

ESO doesn't need a global AH. It may be convenient for some but it would kill off an entire sub-genre of play involving flipping, competition, trade management, guilds, etc.

Coming from the good old days of old school RuneScape (RS2) pre-grand exchange, I can attest to the joy of being a good trader in your own. So much fun to play investments and flip items and play the market. True free open market there. Included a huge crisis/crash too. Good times.

ZeroXFF · February 2019

Beardimus wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Game doesn't have one thing. > Game is trash.

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Well ya? To him he wants decent armor set so he can tank easier, been farming gold for weeks to find out that the game has a AH system that is pretty bad compare to FF14 and Wow that he came from. So to him AH is a big deal.

The game doesn't need an AH, do a search on this forum, countless threads on this already. People come to this game and can't be bothered to learn it and moan about AH. We don't want one, this system is good you just need to learn it.

As others have said that set is a crafted set. So join a crafting guild (its an MMORPG after all, interaction with others is needed) besides a search function is coming to traders next patch.

Regardless the point is even with an AH you friend would not have found what he was looking for, that's what makes his rage quit even more ridiculous. It's a crafted set.

Join some trading guilds and from any bank in the land you can access their stores. Find a crafting guild (most traders do both) and ask about a master crafter. Ask on here, or in game plenty of guilds exist. And of course the longer path is to learn to craft yourself but i doubt your friend is patient enough to do that.

Speak for yourself. I've been playing since 2015, and I'm easily making gold with the current system, and I still hate it, because it's just pure garbage compared to a global AH. And if TTC didn't exist (which basically circumvents the cancer system currently) I probably wouldn't ever buy anything at all, because it's just an insane waste of time to run around looking for that one item you need at a reasonable price.

So yes, we DO want it. It would be the biggest QoL improvement since... well... ever.

bearbelly · February 2019

Will orc regen even still be a thing after the next patch? (I haven't read all of the passives changes yet.)

JiKama · February 2019

Join a trade guild or a friendly social guild. Someone will help him out with the gear he seeks. It's a MMO and all it takes is a little effort to search for help or gather information. I don't think we need an AH. I like that the guild vendors will bring you to places that might would be dead and empty if they weren't in a specific location

Kilnerdyne · February 2019

You know when people slow down as they pass a car crash, same feeling when I clicked on this thread.
https://tamrieltradecentre.com/

Also a nice period-specific gif to reminisce about all those auction house rollbacks in the past.

ThePedge · February 2019

Then he's not worth it

wnights · February 2019

I don't think trading system in that game is that bad really. It is very inconvenient yes, but nothing you can't learn to live with. Some awesome people created TTC and Master Merchant that helps a ton

Cadbury · February 2019

A simple universal search by name function would help.

wnights wrote: »

I don't think trading system in that game is that bad really. It is very inconvenient yes, but nothing you can't learn to live with. Some awesome people created TTC and Master Merchant that helps a ton

MEBengalsFan2001 · February 2019

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

My tank bud farm money for the Orgnum set. I told him about the tamriel website and he said been looking at it for a few days for no luck.

So he now thinks this game is trash because no global ah, it sucks because i was having fun playing with him.

I agree this game needs a true Auction House. The guild store idea is good if you want to sell an item to a guildie at a lower price point than in an AH. The guild trader requires players to travel all over to find they want that might not be available at various guild trader. It really hurts new player experience in this game. I'm still new and I hate the guild trader idea and it is not easy finding what you want do to limitation of the search feature which I know the devs are updating but a full in game auction house would not hurt the game economy but actually help it and maybe more players would craft items for selling if a AH was available. Maybe adjust the guild traders so that it includes all items available for sale in the game but whatever guild trader the player uses get a cut of that sold item profit that was charged to the seller.

For instance if you sell an item as a seller you are charge 10% of the item selling price. The game takes 5% and the guild that owns that trader gets the other 5%. This way guild traders still have some value to guilds and having a full auction system where players buy items through the trader would help add more items to be sold.

Maybe it already works like this and I'm still wet behind the ears. Regardless that is my idea on guild trader and auction house items.

zergbase_ESO · February 2019

Oh sweet AH Post. We really do need an AH I rarely have need for guildstores I avoid em like plague because its too annyoing to deal with 100 vendors to find one item at reasonable price. Most time you never find that Item. Give it time. As I have been watching guild stores carry less and less. Even popular ones are starting carry random trash.

Linaleah · February 2019

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

I understand you all have a negative view on him because of this outrage, but look at it through his point of view. He has been working butt off for gold, got to 160 champion, been saving up and wanted to do a build he thought would be fun to him. I understand it is not the best build, I understand much better gear out. I am sure he would get better sets in the future, but this open ended mmo set bonus are tied to builds, and he was having fun with a regen build. He did not care if it was the best, in fact he used heavy armor, 2 hander and massive champion points into regen. Doing open world stuff he did not feel weak, and when he needed to tank. Sword and board.

He lost his temper over something that seems silly to you all, but for him it is not. People saying it would not be on the AH because the set is bad, If ah is global, someone would sell it. It is just how a global market works. What I am trying to get at is I am sure he had other ideas for set bonus he wanted to try out, but he does not want to group with others because his build is not meta, and he finds it disrespectful to group with others clearly not playing the best he could. All he wanted to do is go out in the world, farm gold, and have ease of access to crafting gear through a market.

We can all call him silly, or say he was looking for excuses. We don't know what he is thinking. All I know is, he was excited, he was having fun, and this AH ruined it for him. Economy is a big part of mmos, and not having ease of access to even weaker gear sets through a global ah is a turn off for him.

Like I said, I am working on crafting now. I'm just annoyed with him about it.

it. would NOT. be sold. on AH. if it were global. the set is incredibly niche. its to expensive to craft to ... maybe find that one niche buyer. as I have said before - I play other games with global AH. and guess what? these kinds of niche items? are never just sold. its a bad investment for a seller. Ogrum's scales costs the same to craft as say Torug's pact. but Torugs is much more likely to sell then Ogrum's. so why waste 120 to 150 of mats PER PIECE on a set that is likely never going to sell?

people don't do that kind of thing in games with AH either. in those games, when it comes to niche items like that? they TOO craft to order. its not an AH issue, its wanting an incredibly niche item issue.

Shalktonin · February 2019

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

So besides him being a crafter, how is he to get the set? Shouting for hours in chat? Ya, I'm not sure he is the type, He pretty much raged quit hardcore on me. So guess i should talk with him in a few days to see.

go to a trade hub like Vvardenfell and ask in zone chat. ya know do work. heaven forbid.

AlnilamE · February 2019

If they ever put in an AH, I hope ZOS put a vendor value on all the items that have 0 value right now so I can just vendor everything rather than deal with yet another stupid AH.

DaveMoeDee · February 2019

Sounds like the person described by the OP won't be missed. There will always be something to upset difficult people.

While I am pretty easy-going on this issue, there is legitimately a serious problem with supporting a market for specific items like gear with specific traits. I remember looking for v14 Footman back in the day and visiting every kiosk in Tamriel. It was a horrible experience. I also mourn the time lost to searching TTC and going to zone to zone, only to find an item gone.

Sigtric wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

My tank bud farm money for the Orgnum set. I told him about the tamriel website and he said been looking at it for a few days for no luck.

So he now thinks this game is trash because no global ah, it sucks because i was having fun playing with him.

if he doesn't see it on the trade center, a global AH wouldn't change that.

Go craft him a set of it.

Well.... on a global AH such as in WoW and RIFT, you will find nearly every level of gear. Of course, some of it will be beyond a joke for pricing....

But the availability is the point. That doesn't happen here. And while I get that the op is unhappy that this particular thing caused his friend to quit playing.... I personally wish there was a global AH like in most other major MMOs.

Yes. I'm aware that's not happening. I find it regrettable.... the fact that the devs chose to make the guild seller option sacrosanct.... well.... I have my thoughts about that. Nope. I'm not posting them. I do value my posting ability.

The point is, the trade center is showing you everything on the market. if you aren't finding it that means no one is selling it. A global AH wouldn't change that. A global AH would not solve this "issue".

No, TTC is NOT showing you everything on the market. TTC requires that someone with TTC installed uploaded the listing to their servers. It also is full of items already sold. I have no idea if it ever actually removes things when they are sold. Obviously, removing is harder than adding without any kind of unique identifier in-game for each listing. A global AH WOULD fix that. I am not endorsing a global AH. I have never experienced one so I withhold judgement. But you are overselling TTC's accuracy.

Katahdin · February 2019

*waves bye*

Make sure you get him to send you his stuff and gold

As others said it's not a commonly desired set so highly unlikely to find it on any trader at all. Very easy to find a crafter and if you have the mats, most wont charge anything

jircris11 · February 2019

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

My tank bud farm money for the Orgnum set. I told him about the tamriel website and he said been looking at it for a few days for no luck.

So he now thinks this game is trash because no global ah, it sucks because i was having fun playing with him.

AH wont ever happen, but the set they want is created, best to ask a crafter.

pelle412 · February 2019

I hope AH never happens. It would totally ruin most of what I enjoy doing in ESO.

Varana · February 2019

I mean, I could craft Orgnum's and put it on sale in an AH.
But as others have said, I certainly wouldn't do that. There's a lot of crafted sets that are much more likely to sell.

Cadbury · February 2019

I don't think I've ever seen OS in any guild trader, tbh. And all for the reasons people have already listed.

Aragorn79 · February 2019

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

I understand you all have a negative view on him because of this outrage, but look at it through his point of view. He has been working butt off for gold, got to 160 champion, been saving up and wanted to do a build he thought would be fun to him. I understand it is not the best build, I understand much better gear out. I am sure he would get better sets in the future, but this open ended mmo set bonus are tied to builds, and he was having fun with a regen build. He did not care if it was the best, in fact he used heavy armor, 2 hander and massive champion points into regen. Doing open world stuff he did not feel weak, and when he needed to tank. Sword and board.

He lost his temper over something that seems silly to you all, but for him it is not. People saying it would not be on the AH because the set is bad, If ah is global, someone would sell it. It is just how a global market works. What I am trying to get at is I am sure he had other ideas for set bonus he wanted to try out, but he does not want to group with others because his build is not meta, and he finds it disrespectful to group with others clearly not playing the best he could. All he wanted to do is go out in the world, farm gold, and have ease of access to crafting gear through a market.

We can all call him silly, or say he was looking for excuses. We don't know what he is thinking. All I know is, he was excited, he was having fun, and this AH ruined it for him. Economy is a big part of mmos, and not having ease of access to even weaker gear sets through a global ah is a turn off for him.

Like I said, I am working on crafting now. I'm just annoyed with him about it.

I understand what you are saying, BUT, the point here is that your friend does not seem to understand how the game works. You probably would not find a crafted set on the AH system anyway. It is very unlikely that a crafted set with no demand would be listed. So, all the gold he was farming for the set would be useful to pay for a crafter to make the set for him. If he knew how the game works, you could easily find someone to craft the set for you and then pay him for it. It is just a matter of getting to know the game a bit instead of getting mad at something that wouldn't have helped you anyway. I myself could craft a set like that and I recently answered to someone in chat looking for a crafter last week. So I think what we all are trying to say is that this is a matter of learning a bit how the game works, because in this case a AH would not have helped! So that is clearly not the point, believe me, I would not list a set like that to sell cause there are too many options to consider (which traits, what level, which style), it has to be tailor made for the person wanting it.

Tigerseye · February 2019

Kilnerdyne wrote: »

You know when people slow down as they pass a car crash, same feeling when I clicked on this thread.
https://tamrieltradecentre.com/

Also a nice period-specific gif to reminisce about all those auction house rollbacks in the past.

You realise that cat is being tortured, right?

IzzyStardust · February 2019

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

My tank bud farm money for the Orgnum set. I told him about the tamriel website and he said been looking at it for a few days for no luck.

So he now thinks this game is trash because no global ah, it sucks because i was having fun playing with him.

Bye Felicia!

mairwen85 · February 2019

@Tigerseye I thought it was the proto Kajiit

Tonturri · February 2019

According to google, it's literally 0.51 seconds to find the needed information ('eso orgnum scales'). There are infants who have longer attention spans.

Then maybe a minute to find a guild/someone to craft it for him/download an addon? Someone lacking basic life skills does not mean a game is trash.

Tigerseye · February 2019

The issue with the individual trader system is fourfold:

1. While it's good for drops (like motifs) and crafted stuff - as it allows people to list things at a reasonable price and (unless the guild is being mismanaged) stand a good chance of their items not being instantly undercut by a small amount - it is not good for materials.

As no one wants to traipse around the world looking for reasonably priced mats, that have normally sold out by the time they get there.

2. It is run by players, some of whom are great, but some of whom are not good at running guilds and/or giving good advice to newer traders.

For example, telling people to (completely unnecessarily) relist every 3 days - thus, inadvertently and artificially, replicating the nightmare constant undercutting system of games like WoW.

The very systems that this game was trying to depart from, via this guild trader system.

3. It has too few slots per trader.

This, unnecessarily, reduces the potential availablilty of items.

4. Things expire too soon.

Yes, it's better than the one week expiration time of WoW, but it's still not great compared with games like GW2, where you can list things and then forget them.

This is annoying and inconvenient for both the potential seller and the potential buyer.

While I totally understand your friend's frustration, if he can see why this system was introduced, in the first place, maybe he will have a little more patience with it, despite its deficiencies?

tactx · February 2019

That is 1 of my 2 frustrations with this game. The first being the perpetual nerfs which is by FAR in first place of frustrations. The second is not having a global auction house. It's just so damn frustrating... You can use TTC but when you go to buy it, it's gone. So you go back and try another, and port and port and port and port to try to find the item you need before you actually find it.

Definitely NOT a fan.

shootatme80 · February 2019

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

I understand you all have a negative view on him because of this outrage, but look at it through his point of view. He has been working butt off for gold, got to 160 champion, been saving up and wanted to do a build he thought would be fun to him. I understand it is not the best build, I understand much better gear out. I am sure he would get better sets in the future, but this open ended mmo set bonus are tied to builds, and he was having fun with a regen build. He did not care if it was the best, in fact he used heavy armor, 2 hander and massive champion points into regen. Doing open world stuff he did not feel weak, and when he needed to tank. Sword and board.

He lost his temper over something that seems silly to you all, but for him it is not. People saying it would not be on the AH because the set is bad, If ah is global, someone would sell it. It is just how a global market works. What I am trying to get at is I am sure he had other ideas for set bonus he wanted to try out, but he does not want to group with others because his build is not meta, and he finds it disrespectful to group with others clearly not playing the best he could. All he wanted to do is go out in the world, farm gold, and have ease of access to crafting gear through a market.

We can all call him silly, or say he was looking for excuses. We don't know what he is thinking. All I know is, he was excited, he was having fun, and this AH ruined it for him. Economy is a big part of mmos, and not having ease of access to even weaker gear sets through a global ah is a turn off for him.

Like I said, I am working on crafting now. I'm just annoyed with him about it.

Economy is a big part of mmos, but so is social interaction. Maybe you should just let your friend go. If something so small in this massive amazing game is causing your friend to cry in some corner, it's obvious he really doesn't like this game. This all sounds like an excuse to quit. You are pouring your time and energy into keeping your friend in a game he doesn't truly like. You could be joining a guild filled to the brim with people who log in every day to play a game they all love. These guild members would probably be willing and able to help you also.

Robo_Hobo · February 2019

Having an auction house for getting this particular set would make zero difference because most people wouldn't craft it unless they needed it themselves or if someone asked them to for their needs.

Valrien · February 2019

Did somebody once tell him the world was gonna roll him?

Because I have a feeling he's not the sharpest tool in the shed