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Redo Altmer/Dunmer passives?
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They don't make any sense currently and lack the racial identity they have on live. If % modifiers are being changed to base values, why not have something like +250 spell dmg, +200 mag regen for Altmer and +200 spell damage, +150 flame damage for Dunmer?
Redo Altmer/Dunmer passives? 68 votes
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesThe fact that the two strongest magicka races in the lore are the two weakest in this game is criminal.Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 5, 2019 3:28AM10 -
LizardThixvim✭✭✭NoMLGProPlayer wrote: »The fact that the two strongest magicka races in the lore are the two weakest in this game is criminal.
Nah its absolutely hilarious and finally after 5 years of eso altmer being the number one king of magicka dps has finally been put in line with other races for once, a well deserved and over due great balance change.4 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesNarvuntien wrote: »Their dps is fine you need to stop complaining about 500 dps.
That DPS adds up in endgame content. It's also completly lore breaking to have these 2 races as the worst for magicka DPS.7 -
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✭YesNarvuntien wrote: »Their dps is fine you need to stop complaining about 500 dps.
Someone is out of the loop6 -
Ogou✭✭✭✭✭NoI don't like the current proposed altmer passives but I don't think what you're proposing aligns with the vision ZOS has.0
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LizardThixvim✭✭✭NoJust because you have jaundice and pointed ears doesnt mean you should do magic better, I pray this goes live so altmer isnt king of magicka dps for ONE patch0
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Narvuntien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoMLGProPlayer wrote: »Narvuntien wrote: »Their dps is fine you need to stop complaining about 500 dps.
That DPS adds up in endgame content. It's also completly lore breaking to have these 2 races as the worst for magicka DPS.
Even in endgame content, the 500 dps doesn't even matter. Are they going to kick you from your raid guild because you don't have the best possible dps? if so time to leave their guild because it's like the top 0.0001% of players this effects. What 50 people maybe? well, each server so 300 people.1 -
JamieAubrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesYes, If I want stamina I'll trade my magicka for stam using Dark Deal or pop a stam pot
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Rygonix✭✭✭✭✭NoYour chapter is over, just as ours is. Time to make room for our feline overlords.Ceres Des Mortem-Dark Elf Templar, EP
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Kalle_Demos✭✭✭✭✭YesYes. Trying to turn the Dunmer into a hybrid race will not work and their Destructive power, particularly fire damage, if part of their identity. I have no issue with allowing more room for Stamina builds but nuking their Magicka capacity in the process is too drastic. Altmer superiority in the field of Magic is unquestioned. The proposals to both are unfriendly to lore.Edited by Kalle_Demos on February 5, 2019 4:02AM
"If I am to be Queen, I must look fear in the face and conquer it. How can I ask my people to have faith in me if I don't have faith in myself?" - Queen Ayrenn4 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think the high elf change is a bit meh. It's REALLY good for pvp, having that stam sustain is nice. For pve it's useless though.
Maybe make it so it restores half the magica and half the stamina? Middle ground of both suggested passives so far. Sustain isn't way too good in pve and is pretty useful in PvP as well.0 -
Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Other"This is fine.."
Hi, remember me? The person from the past.. that tried to talk for everyone and against the racial changes because they are not fair, they have changes totally out of common sense. They have changes against the lore.
But now.. apparently when altmer gets nerfed too compared to some suddenly people do not feel these are "fine". So only when it affects you personally huh?
So, this is fine. *watches the world burn*0 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoMLGProPlayer wrote: »Narvuntien wrote: »Their dps is fine you need to stop complaining about 500 dps.
That DPS adds up in endgame content. It's also completly lore breaking to have these 2 races as the worst for magicka DPS.
They're not the worst for Magicka DPS though...
It was necessary to tone Altmer down. They were the best Magicka race by quite a margin in the last 5 years. I am fine that they get nerfed a little.
Sincerely,
Your Altmer Dragon KnightEdited by Seraphayel on February 5, 2019 11:10AMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
Nerouyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesMy problem with the altmer passives is mechanical.
What Iike about ESO is there's no cooldowns and abilities do what they do.
Yes there are sets with procs etc. on cooldowns but I can choose not to use them.Spellcharge: 9% Magicka Recovery → Spell Recharge: Restore 575 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is higher, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.
Now I'll be stuck with that as a racial passive and worse, it only triggers when using a class ability. Not that I loathe all of my class abilities but isn't there supposed freedom to use class, weapon, other abilities as you please? This kicks that in the nads.
And at least presently I mostly play wardens. I think all of my class abilities are instant cast so my 5% damage reduction will come from where?
So yes. Please. Change them!
That said I don't need altmer or dunmer to be better than everyone else at spellcasting. I'm of the view that the game shouldn't have impactful racial passives. That *** on the single player games both mechanically and in spirit.
Both the single player games and ESO have shone a light on the nasty business of racism, eg. the Thalmor. The single player games have racial affinities for different pursuits, but those don't prevent any player of any race from absolutely mastering those skills.
Then there's ESO racial passives.
But if you are going to have impactful racial passives, Altmer and Dunmer not being out in front in the magic damage department is curious.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭YesIt's not so much a redo that's necessary, as they almost had it on the first try.
The only changes I'd have made are to adjust Dunmer somewhat:
- remove health bonus (they did that, yay?)
- increase max magicka/stamina a bit (they did that too, but maybe a bit too much)
- replace weapon/spell power with weapon/spell penetration (fits the offensive theme better as it can't increase heals and keeps them unique. otherwise there's no reason to run Dunmer over Orc/Altmer which have power buffs too but higher max stats)
- add a flavor passive that reflects Dunmer's superior speed
Altmer didn't need to be touched at all.
Shor knows how to fix the current iteration. Altmer will probably need a boost to max magicka beyond 2000, but both mer will still be dreadfully boring then.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
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✭YesMoonsorrow wrote: »"This is fine.."
Hi, remember me? The person from the past.. that tried to talk for everyone and against the racial changes because they are not fair, they have changes totally out of common sense. They have changes against the lore.
But now.. apparently when altmer gets nerfed too compared to some suddenly people do not feel these are "fine". So only when it affects you personally huh?
So, this is fine. *watches the world burn*
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