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ZOS has nerfed Altmer on PTS - Currently tied with Dunmer for lowest magicka DPS
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Rex-Umbra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is such a biased comparison. Your counting Breton Hypothetically having all damage glyphs and Altmer not.Xbox GT: Rex Umbrah
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is such a biased comparison. Your counting Breton Hypothetically having all damage glyphs and Altmer not.
Altmer can't use 2x damage glyphs even with their current sustain. They need a recovery glyph. Breton don't. Try running a DPS test on a 6 million dummy without a recovery glyph on Altmer and tell me how that goes.Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 4, 2019 7:47PM2 -
StarOfElyon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yeah, I'm going to have to sacrifice spell damage because I'm already having trouble sustaining and I had two regen glyphs on my character already. I can probably change my gear but I'm going to lose big on spell crit and spell damage again, all for the sake of magicka sustainability. And this is before I do anything about my stamina pool.0 -
Cloudless✭✭✭✭✭IzzyStardust wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Princess_Ciri wrote: »It's even worse for anyone who plays High Elf healer in PvE, since spell damage is fairly useless for healing in most situations, so gutting Altmer sustain is killing it entirely as an option for healing.
And a lot of people used them as healers on live. This is such a bewildering change I honestly am frightened for the game moving forward if this is the first change made by Wheeler and Co.
Yes because we had them since The Beginning. Now it's all go be a Breton. No thanks. Stop messing everything up!
As much as I love a good HIMYM reference when I see one... people on these forums panic way too much, way too easily.
[also, does that picture imply that Robin works at ZOS?
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Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why y'all complaining about ~ 500 DPS which is barely 1%?
Like honestly, people here are acting as if they'd even recognize these tiny differences in DPS. To get there you must be a TOP player with almost flawless execution and I doubt that even 1% of the complainers here are that.Edited by Seraphayel on February 4, 2019 8:27PMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -6 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Why y'all complaining about ~ 500 DPS which is barely 1%?
Like honestly, people here are acting as of they'd even recognize these tiny differences in DPS. To get there you must be a TOP player with almost flawless execution and I doubt that even 1% of the complainers here are that.
Nobody complained that Altmer were behind Breton by 500 DPS. That was fine. The problem is ZOS decided to nerf Altmer, further widening that gap.1 -
StarOfElyon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Why y'all complaining about ~ 500 DPS which is barely 1%?
Like honestly, people here are acting as of they'd even recognize these tiny differences in DPS. To get there you must be a TOP player with almost flawless execution and I doubt that even 1% of the complainers here are that.
I need to buff my stamina to survive in pvp. If ZOS nerfs Altmer magicka regen that's going to be another problem I have to deal with. It's already hard enough to try building an effective character that's not META.3 -
Cloudless✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Why y'all complaining about ~ 500 DPS which is barely 1%?
Like honestly, people here are acting as of they'd even recognize these tiny differences in DPS. To get there you must be a TOP player with almost flawless execution and I doubt that even 1% of the complainers here are that.
Nobody complained that Altmer were behind Breton by 500 DPS. That was fine. The problem is ZOS decided to nerf Altmer, further widening that gap.
We don't know how they're going to rework Spell Recharge to make up for the sustain loss yet, so calling it a nerf is a bit premature at the moment.1 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Why y'all complaining about ~ 500 DPS which is barely 1%?
Like honestly, people here are acting as of they'd even recognize these tiny differences in DPS. To get there you must be a TOP player with almost flawless execution and I doubt that even 1% of the complainers here are that.
Nobody complained that Altmer were behind Breton by 500 DPS. That was fine. The problem is ZOS decided to nerf Altmer, further widening that gap.
We have no clue what the changes will be. Honestly, even if they double down on their "nerfs" the possible yet very unlikely 1k DPS difference barely matters. Right now it's in most cases even less than 500 DPS. Honestly, that's nothing. 1k DPS difference is barely scratching anyone and that's not where we are yet.Edited by Seraphayel on February 4, 2019 8:29PMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
Mintaka5✭✭✭✭✭Altmer sustain is garbage. What are they analyzing to get at this assumption? Both my magsorc DDs are Altmers, who average less DPS then my Breton magsorc which I run as a healer mainly. In creating new magicka builds, Dunmer NB and Argonian DK also out perform all of my sorcs in DD. The DPS is lower on my Altmers because of my hesitancy to overdraw on my magicka. A thing I never experience on either my Dunmer or Argonian. The DK sustain is better even when you consider their class skills are more spendy.
I am starting to see a pattern here. ZOS went for the magicka jugular in the last 3 patches, and now they go after a primarily magicka-centric race, while Khajits, who are stamina-centric get an even better deal.
Hope this stays on PTS and never sees the light of day on the live servers.Edited by Mintaka5 on February 4, 2019 8:32PM5 -
iiYuki✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »ZOS is just looking at these values on paper while COMPLETELY ignoring actual testing. Please take your feedback to the PTS and C&CM forums.
I wouldn't waste your time, the devs dont play the game and even if they do its not how actual players play.
Its like they can't just leave the working stuff alone, all this *** is broken in the game and they choose something hardly anyone complains about to "fix" in the typical ZO$ way, with a *** sledgehammer.
How is nerfing racials on current meta races and buffing none meta races to become meta a solution to anything? Anyone that doesn't care about their character will race change to Khajiit and everyone else is stuck on a sub par race all because ZO$ can't just *** leave stuff alone."Play how you want... unless its not how we intended you to play in which case we'll nerf it".
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JJBoomer✭✭✭✭✭lol ZOS being the Trump of the game world. AKA Failing and *** everything up and making it worse to the point of utter destruction. And right before a big release too. maybe they killed too many brain cells?12
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RobDaCool✭✭✭You know they do it on purpose so the min/max players will pay for a race change.
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Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭are you sure they are at bottom of magicka? i think you missed one magicka race thats still at bottom, even after this change
argonians
now you know how i feel for 5 years2 -
Diminish✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »This is such a biased comparison. Your counting Breton Hypothetically having all damage glyphs and Altmer not.
Altmer can't use 2x damage glyphs even with their current sustain. They need a recovery glyph. Breton don't. Try running a DPS test on a 6 million dummy without a recovery glyph on Altmer and tell me how that goes.
As someone with 2 Altmer magsorcs, and Altmer magblade, and an Altmer warden I can vouch for this. Sustain is straight non-existent without at least 1 recovery glyph.3 -
Illuvatarr✭✭✭✭✭I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.2
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Illuvatarr wrote: »I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.
That doesn't make any sense. Using sustain sets on Altmer brings their DPS down even further.7 -
Diminish✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Why y'all complaining about ~ 500 DPS which is barely 1%?
Like honestly, people here are acting as of they'd even recognize these tiny differences in DPS. To get there you must be a TOP player with almost flawless execution and I doubt that even 1% of the complainers here are that.
Nobody complained that Altmer were behind Breton by 500 DPS. That was fine. The problem is ZOS decided to nerf Altmer, further widening that gap.
We don't know how they're going to rework Spell Recharge to make up for the sustain loss yet, so calling it a nerf is a bit premature at the moment.
Since we now know, is it ok with you if we call it like it is, a nerf?4 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Seraphayel The reason why 1% matters is because in trials, with 8 dds, 1% suddenly becomes scaled up to 8 times its size and I am told this does in fact make a noticable difference.
Also, from what I have been gathering, the issue is that Altmer have had their niche taken away by races that extended their niche into Altmer territory (magicka dps).
Bretons, Argonians and depending on the ult gen perhaps even Nord are great healing options.
Bretons can also dps thanks to their sustain, Argonians can also tank.
Dunmer have mag dps and now stam dps too as well as fire resistance to alleviate vampirism's drawbacks.
Khajiit have stealth, crit focused mag dps and crit focused stam dps as well as better than average/altmer sustain.
Altmer only have magicka dps because spell damage doesn't affect healing as much as crit or sustain does. (They are also great healers on live)
Each of these races has another identity to fall back to if their magicka dps isn't BiS, but Altmer have nothing else. That's why Altmer mains are so allergic to having to give up the throne of BiS to someone else.Edited by Ratzkifal on February 5, 2019 2:33AMThis Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.3 -
Idinuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »IzzyStardust wrote: »LightMaster7 wrote: »Oh ***! And why can't Redguards or other races be a magicka race? It's stupid. I mean they *** have a Redguard as a necromancer!
What a crock of ***.MLGProPlayer wrote: »LightMaster7 wrote: »And yet this stupid complaint does not address the load of other non-optimized races that play Mag Sorcerers. You complain they are "nerfing" Altmer MagSorcerer and you compare that with MagSorcerers from other races and Altmers are waaay ahead in dps and mag regeneration. For example comparing that to the Redguard MagSorcerer.
Again, I really wish that with these changes coming, they would allow some kind of CP skill to convert Stamina to Magicka automatcially or vice versa as passives.
You have to compare Altmer with other magicka races.
Oh ***! And why can't Redguards or other races be a magicka race? It's stupid. I mean they *** have a Redguard as a necromancer!
What a crock of ***.
I don't even really understand what you're trying to say here xD
Did you not see that it is a Redguard race that is represented in their new expansion as being a Necromancer? Do you know how little that makes sense since there is absolutely no optimization (unless you count the across the board spellcost reduction) coming with the new race changes? I mean like WTF? Wouldn't, as you say, since Almers and other races are more Magicka optimized, necromancer should be a different race than Redguard?
ZOS and their team makes absolutely no sense when they promote their product and things like the above makes me believe their marketting team does not understand the game at all.
I mean like seriously? Why don't they implement the changes the ACTUALLY PROMISED where they said races can play a host of different classes?
But what do we get? Further niche - isolation of races for a specific class type.
Makes total sense why Lawrence Schick would leave.
The "new direction" is a total disaster.Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?9 -
Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I love how ZOS actually used the lore card in the first iteration of the racial passive changes 'this is more in line with their lore etc.', and they go ahead and do this to Altmer... 😂
There's no use pulling your hair out trying to understand how the latest updates can possibly be justified; most magicka DPS currently play as Altmer/Dunmer, putting these behind is more tokens for them.7 -
Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I love how ZOS actually used the lore card in the first iteration of the racial passive changes 'this is more in line with their lore etc.', and they go ahead and do this to Altmer... 😂
There's no use pulling your hair out trying to understand how the latest updates can possibly be justified; most magicka DPS currently play as Altmer/Dunmer, putting these behind is more tokens for them.10 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »MAKE REDGUARD MAGSORC a THING!
With the way things are going, it might just be a thing by the time PTS is over.3 -
Idinuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I love how ZOS actually used the lore card in the first iteration of the racial passive changes 'this is more in line with their lore etc.', and they go ahead and do this to Altmer... 😂
There's no use pulling your hair out trying to understand how the latest updates can possibly be justified; most magicka DPS currently play as Altmer/Dunmer, putting these behind is more tokens for them.
This is Zos legio for Altmers and Templars.Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?1 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭IzzyStardust wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Princess_Ciri wrote: »It's even worse for anyone who plays High Elf healer in PvE, since spell damage is fairly useless for healing in most situations, so gutting Altmer sustain is killing it entirely as an option for healing.
And a lot of people used them as healers on live. This is such a bewildering change I honestly am frightened for the game moving forward if this is the first change made by Wheeler and Co.
Yes because we had them since The Beginning. Now it's all go be a Breton. No thanks. Stop messing everything up!
As much as I love a good HIMYM reference when I see one... people on these forums panic way too much, way too easily.
[also, does that picture imply that Robin works at ZOS? ]
It’s not panic, it’s reaction to reality. :-) *This is me levelling a Breton after playing an Altmer Templar since 2014.* So yeah - after all the other nerfs to my class and nicking things off my race; I’m not happy.0 -
mxxo✭✭✭✭When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
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20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
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