Should ZOS only balance the game around PvP and not consider PvE at all?

Juhasow · February 2019

MikaHR wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

So I assume You are proud owner of all high game end achievements since it's all just You and Your stats vs dumb preprogrammed mechanic then pros like You have done everything without a sweat ? The thing is balance in PvE is there so there wont be 1 build that can do everything like it's nothing and rest that will struggle which basically means making all builds more or less viable when attempting to do certain type of content which is excatly the goal of PvP balance also. Saying there is no such a thing as PvE balance is downright ignorant.

There is a class that cant finished some PvE content? PvE "balance" completely irrelevant (except for "elite" dummy epeeners)

By that logic PvP balance is needed only for "elite" cookie cutters that always wants to kill everyone.

You know to talk about certain type of content it would be nice if You would 1st try it on it's max potential instead of making assumptions. Balance in PvE is needed same as in PvP. And yes there are classes that have more issues when participating in certain type of content then the others and this is where PvE balance is focused to make PvE content more or less similarly aproachable for everyone just through different playstyles.

SaintSubwayy · February 2019

Nerf PvP, it breaks PvE

Juhasow wrote: »

Balance PvP only in the game where majority of playerbase are PvE players. What could possibly go wrong ?...

The thing that needs balance the most is that mutual hate that PvP oriented players have towards PvE oriented players and vice versa. One would not exist without another in game like ESO so balancing the emotions towards different type of content then the one preffered by someone is the main balance needed.

ahh nothing will go wrong, just another PVE vs. PVP flaming in the Forums....while no balance has been achieved on either side xD

idk · February 2019

LOL, Balance a game that is mostly PvE around PvP. If we are ignoring logic and wisdom then yes.

MikaHR · February 2019

Yes

Juhasow wrote: »

MikaHR wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

So I assume You are proud owner of all high game end achievements since it's all just You and Your stats vs dumb preprogrammed mechanic then pros like You have done everything without a sweat ? The thing is balance in PvE is there so there wont be 1 build that can do everything like it's nothing and rest that will struggle which basically means making all builds more or less viable when attempting to do certain type of content which is excatly the goal of PvP balance also. Saying there is no such a thing as PvE balance is downright ignorant.

There is a class that cant finished some PvE content? PvE "balance" completely irrelevant (except for "elite" dummy epeeners)

By that logic PvP balance is needed only for "elite" cookie cutters that always wants to kill everyone.

You know to talk about certain type of content it would be nice if You would 1st try it on it's max potential instead of making assumptions. Balance in PvE is needed same as in PvP. And yes there are classes that have more issues when participating in certain type of content then the others and this is where PvE balance is focused to make PvE content more or less similarly aproachable for everyone just through different playstyles.

Most popular computer games in Earth's history are PvP (LoL, Fortnite ... .. ...). Guess what they have....0 PvE and (near) complete balance.

You make 0 sense.

And do tell us which class cant finish ANY PvE content...or even have these "tremnduous issues" completing ANY PvE content....this should be fun.

idk wrote: »

LOL, Balance a game that is mostly PvE around PvP. If we are ignoring logic and wisdom then yes.

They certainly shouldnt waste time on 0,01% of dummy epeeners and "PvE balance"...as those are only ones that care about "PvE balance"

Same laugh i have about those compaining about "balance" in games like Pillars of Eternity (just an example) "This class is completely BROKEN and makes the game TRIVIAL!!!!!!!!". Then dont play it genius, theres 60+ other class/multicalsses to choose from.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · February 2019

MikaHR wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

MikaHR wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

So I assume You are proud owner of all high game end achievements since it's all just You and Your stats vs dumb preprogrammed mechanic then pros like You have done everything without a sweat ? The thing is balance in PvE is there so there wont be 1 build that can do everything like it's nothing and rest that will struggle which basically means making all builds more or less viable when attempting to do certain type of content which is excatly the goal of PvP balance also. Saying there is no such a thing as PvE balance is downright ignorant.

There is a class that cant finished some PvE content? PvE "balance" completely irrelevant (except for "elite" dummy epeeners)

By that logic PvP balance is needed only for "elite" cookie cutters that always wants to kill everyone.

You know to talk about certain type of content it would be nice if You would 1st try it on it's max potential instead of making assumptions. Balance in PvE is needed same as in PvP. And yes there are classes that have more issues when participating in certain type of content then the others and this is where PvE balance is focused to make PvE content more or less similarly aproachable for everyone just through different playstyles.

Most popular computer games in Earth's history are PvP (LoL, Fortnite ... .. ...). Guess what they have....0 PvE and complete balance.

You make 0 sense.

And do tell us which class cant finishs ANY PvE content...or even have these "tremnduous issues" completing ANY PvE content....this should be fun.

idk wrote: »

LOL, Balance a game that is mostly PvE around PvP. If we are ignoring logic and wisdom then yes.

They certainly shouldnt waste time on 0,01% of dummy epeeners and "PvE balance"...as those are only ones that care about "PvE balance"

Sorry to say, but neither do you.

SaintSubwayy · February 2019

Nerf PvP, it breaks PvE

MikaHR wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

MikaHR wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

So I assume You are proud owner of all high game end achievements since it's all just You and Your stats vs dumb preprogrammed mechanic then pros like You have done everything without a sweat ? The thing is balance in PvE is there so there wont be 1 build that can do everything like it's nothing and rest that will struggle which basically means making all builds more or less viable when attempting to do certain type of content which is excatly the goal of PvP balance also. Saying there is no such a thing as PvE balance is downright ignorant.

There is a class that cant finished some PvE content? PvE "balance" completely irrelevant (except for "elite" dummy epeeners)

By that logic PvP balance is needed only for "elite" cookie cutters that always wants to kill everyone.

You know to talk about certain type of content it would be nice if You would 1st try it on it's max potential instead of making assumptions. Balance in PvE is needed same as in PvP. And yes there are classes that have more issues when participating in certain type of content then the others and this is where PvE balance is focused to make PvE content more or less similarly aproachable for everyone just through different playstyles.

Most popular computer games in Earth's history are PvP (LoL, Fortnite ... .. ...). Guess what they have....0 PvE and complete balance.

You make 0 sense.

And do tell us which class cant finishs ANY PvE content...or even have these "tremnduous issues" completing ANY PvE content....this should be fun.

idk wrote: »

LOL, Balance a game that is mostly PvE around PvP. If we are ignoring logic and wisdom then yes.

They certainly shouldnt waste time on 0,01% of dummy epeeners and "PvE balance"...as those are only ones that care about "PvE balance"

trollmaster of the Day, thx for the laugh

Jeah LoL and fortnite are balanced arround PVP, because they are focussed upon PVP

ESO is definetly not focussed towards PVP, but towards PVE, like EVERY Elderscrolls game has been before, and prob will be in the Future.

90% of Content is created for PVE, and its shown by the playerbase that they appreciate the focus towrds PVE with all the Lore and Content created for them. MOST of the playerbase is PVE based...0 Reason to balance the whole game arround PVP , just 0 Reason.

Its not about that every Race cant complete each Trial...but try to bring a Magden into vCR+3...prob noone will take oyu in there, unless you buy a run or so....its not about possibility on this lvl of PVE, its about viability, which is atm way out of balance.

Juhasow · February 2019

MikaHR wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Balance PvP only in the game where majority of playerbase are PvE players. What could possibly go wrong ?...

And 0,01% of PvE dummy epeenrs care about it.

More like 90% playerbase which is PvE oriented. I think more PvE oriented players is interrested about PvE balance then whole PvP population together.

MikaHR wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

MikaHR wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

So I assume You are proud owner of all high game end achievements since it's all just You and Your stats vs dumb preprogrammed mechanic then pros like You have done everything without a sweat ? The thing is balance in PvE is there so there wont be 1 build that can do everything like it's nothing and rest that will struggle which basically means making all builds more or less viable when attempting to do certain type of content which is excatly the goal of PvP balance also. Saying there is no such a thing as PvE balance is downright ignorant.

There is a class that cant finished some PvE content? PvE "balance" completely irrelevant (except for "elite" dummy epeeners)

By that logic PvP balance is needed only for "elite" cookie cutters that always wants to kill everyone.

You know to talk about certain type of content it would be nice if You would 1st try it on it's max potential instead of making assumptions. Balance in PvE is needed same as in PvP. And yes there are classes that have more issues when participating in certain type of content then the others and this is where PvE balance is focused to make PvE content more or less similarly aproachable for everyone just through different playstyles.

Most popular computer games in Earth's history are PvP (LoL, Fortnite ... .. ...). Guess what they have....0 PvE and complete balance.

You make 0 sense.

And do tell us which class cant finishs ANY PvE content...or even have these "tremnduous issues" completing ANY PvE content....this should be fun.

And which of those computer games have words "elder scrolls" in title ? This is Your logic seriously ? Because PvP exist and is popular in other games then PvE should be ignored in the game based on elder scrolls genre ? Get real. If I make 0 sense then level of sense You make is a negative number.

Never said some class cannot complete any type of content but certain classes need way more practice to accomplish same things as others and sometimes even when mastered still cant compete with others and this is where balance part comes , to lower those differences. Your logic is so flawed it's hard to read. Basically based on Your logic we can say PvP is completly balanced and doesnt need any balance because there isnt a class that wouldnt be able to kill anyone. Is there a class that have "tremondous isses" in PvP with everything ?

MikaHR · February 2019

Yes

"prob noone will take you in there"

And you want the game be balanced around this 0,00000000001% of "leet epeeners".

Guess what, other 99,9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 (extend 9s indefinitely)% doesnt care few people "wont take Magden into vCR+3".

In fact, ZOS should COMPLETELY ignore such people, those are he kind that can completely riun the game (*khm* Wildstar *khm*)

Juhasow · February 2019

MikaHR wrote: »

"prob noone will take you in there"

And you want the game be balanced around this 0,00000000001% of "leet epeeners".

Guess what, other 99,9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 (extend 9s indefinitely)% doesnt care few people "wont take Magden into vCR+3".

In fact, ZOS should COMPLETELY ignore such people, those are he kind that can completely riun the game (*khm* Wildstar *khm*)

He just gaved one of the simplier examples but that doesnt mean it's one and only example. You can make lot of those.

Have You asked each one of those "99,9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 (extend 9s indefinitely)%" or it's just Your pure assumption based mostly on not even participating in the content You are talking about ? The funny thing is that it looks like You imply that vast majority of PvPers cares about PvP balance which is laughable assumption atleast. I wouldnt be suprised if people that truly care about PvP balance would be also in that "0,00000000001%" of PvP playerbase.

MikaHR · February 2019

Yes

I dont have to ask, i only have to look at umbers and how many actually interested in raiding in general and even less in "magden vCR+3 epeen issues"

OTOH there are immensly more people every day in Cyrodiil. And not to extend it to other games like LoL and WoW, can you point me to PvE game thats anywher NEAR that popularity.

Almost missed this

Juhasow wrote: »

You imply that vast majority of PvPers cares about PvP balance

go strike your dummy once or twice to work off the stress, seems you had waaaaaaaaaaay too much

Juhasow · February 2019

MikaHR wrote: »

I dont have to ask, i only have to look at umbers and how many actually interested in raiding in general and even less in "magden vCR+3 epeen issues"

Well atleast numbers of people attmepting in trials are growing when on the other hand Cyrodill got shrinked populatation cap and removed campaigns few times already so what is Your point again ? Balance in PvE isnt there just for hard core game end content. Even in lower tier of PvE content if things are not balanced it may be unsatisfying. Also where excatly are those numbers You looked at to know how many people is actually interrested into raiding ?

MikaHR · February 2019

Yes

Is that why Cyro is capped every single night?

And that is along battlegrounds.

While raiding is as miniscule as in every other game (except LFR which is pathetic to even mention)

Yes, go look at WoWs stats of how many are actually interested in raiding - 0,06%...and thats THE most popular (raiding) MMO EVER. You dont matter, in fact Blizzard themselves said raid content is NOT financally nto viable to make....you just leech off of everyone else playing the game.

Tasear · February 2019

redspecter23 wrote: »

This isn't a serious question I hope.

Anyway, no. Both sides need balance and neither side should sacrifice balance for the sake of the other. ZOS needs to make a better effort to balance them separately. This could be through battle spirit, alternate ability tooltips or just having abilities that only work in pvp or in pve. Anything is better than trying (and failing) to balance both together.

This^

Juhasow · February 2019

MikaHR wrote: »

OTOH there are immensly more people every day in Cyrodiil. And not to extend it to other games like LoL and WoW, can you point me to PvE game thats anywher NEAR that popularity.

Almost missed this

Juhasow wrote: »

You imply that vast majority of PvPers cares about PvP balance

go strike your dummy once or twice to work off the stress, seems you had waaaaaaaaaaay too much

You are talking about same Cyrodill that outside of PvP events cannot even have sometimes 2 campaigns with pop locks in prime time despite the fact population caps were already lowered few times ? Also even if there would be "immensly more people every day in Cyrodill" that immense numbers are still way way lower then the amount of people doing PvE content every day.

Off topic question , do You know this game is PEGI 18 ? You act like a salty PvP kid so go join those immense numbers of PvPers and vanish from forum already.

MikaHR · February 2019

Yes

You are talking about same raiding thats only 2 groups at most do/day? (and then same people on alts the other days)

And i see LoL and Fortnite making more and more record $$ every year while WoW is declining for a decade now. So much for "PvE raiding". Wildstar, game dedicated to raiding and "elite raiders" is dead.

Nice hint for ZOS what to do.

Juhasow · February 2019

MikaHR wrote: »

You are talking about same raiding thats only 2 groups at most do/day? (and then same people on alts the other days)

And i see LoL and Fortnite making more and more record $$ every year while WoW is declining for a decade now. So much for "PvE raiding". Wildstar, game dedicated to raiding and "elite raiders" is dead.

Nice hint for ZOS what to do.

I am talking about hundereds if not thousands of trials/arenas/dungeons done by many different people every day. You focus too much on CR+3 and forgot there is also different type of PvE endgame which people are participating in and where balance is also needed.

I think it's nice hint for You that if You're so much into mainstream titles and PvP oriened games then ESO is not game for You and never was.

MikaHR · February 2019

Yes

Again, which calss has these "tremnduous issues" completing ANY PvE content ingame? (not considering "vCR +3 epeen issues)

And you mean dozens. SIngle digit.

I am thinking of games's long time health and to go way of LoL/Fortnite ever growing instead WoW (and rest of PvE MMOs ever shrinking or most dead) while you are selfish and demand to leech of of all others playign the game...and not only that....even when you cant even financially sustain the content you DEMAND devs make YOU the focus. You can easily see how delusional you peeps are.

That are just facts.

SaintSubwayy · February 2019

Nerf PvP, it breaks PvE

MikaHR wrote: »

Is that why Cyro is capped every single night?

And that is along battlegrounds.

While raiding is as miniscule as in every other game (except LFR which is pathetic to even mention)

Yes, go look at WoWs stats of how many are actually interested in raiding - 0,06%...and thats THE most popular (raiding) MMO EVER. You dont matter, in fact Blizzard themselves said raid content is NOT financally nto viable to make....you just leech off of everyone else playing the game.

WOW cyro is cvapped every night...you know how many ppl fit into 1 Campain?

200v200v200 so 600 PLayers max / campain

Live are currently 2-3 Campains completly full in the evenings
lets go with 3 Campains full / evening ...thats a smacky 1800 Players online in Cyro, while lets say another 500 in Bg AND queues (Queueing ppl are NOT in PVP at this Moment)

While overland you can prob find in all zones / instanced Zones combined already as measly 2000-2500 Players just running arround and doing quests etc.
another prob 1000 Players are running Dungeons and Delves, while prob another 1000-2000 are Raiding every evening.

You wont never see all the players, due to all the different instances within the Same Map, I prob could open a Group in Deshaan with randoms, and they would be spread over 4-6 Instances of the Zone, each with equally many players.

The Numbers I used are purely cosmetic, to illustrate the population difference I assume comes close to Live, since no actual umber are Provided by ZOS.

Juhasow · February 2019

MikaHR wrote: »

Again, which calss has these "tremnduous issues" completing ANY PvE content ingame? (not considering "vCR +3 epeen issues)

And you mean dozens. SIngle digit.

I am thinking of games's long time health and to go way of LoL/Fortnite ever growing instead WoW (and rest of PvE MMOs ever shrinking or mst dead) while you are selfish and demand to leech of of all others playign the game...adn not only that....even when you cant even financially sustain the content you DEMAND devs make YOU the focus.

That are just facts.

Again which class have "tremondous issues" when attempting anything in PvP ?

No i mean thousands. Dozens is a number reserved for Cyrodill population for most of the day.

Nah You're not thinking about games health at all. ESO is also still growing game just not game from mainstream genre. You talk that WoW is loosing players but havnt that comed to Your mind that maybe some of those players are actually coming to ESO and this is why WoW is loosing them ? It's same like with fortnite You name it as very popular title but You forgot that to become popular it devoured other titles like PUBG and many others. If some title gets popular other popular titles always loose numbers to it. Fortnite playerbase did not magically arrived from the vacuum of space they were just playing the games which now have way lower playerbase then they had. Also lets not forgot battle royale is pretty new genre and there isnt many decent titles offering it same as there isnt many MOBA titles similar to LoL and this is what generates that high numbers for those games when on the other hand there is plenty of MMO RPGs. If anyone then You're the selfish person demanding for the game to completly cut off its roots and start to be more focused on type of the gameplay that is popular atm and accidentally is also type of content You're only focused around. As for financial sustain I think You dont realize that PvE playerbase is what keeps this game going.

That are just facts

mairwen85 · February 2019

Yes

MikaHR wrote: »

And you mean dozens. SIngle digit.

A dozen is 12 = double digits

TBF this thread is just bait, masterful bait (does that make the OP a master baiter?), but bait none the less.

srfrogg23 · February 2019

I don't like Maroon 5

Nerf Maroon 5. Their music is too catchy.

Liww · February 2019

class balance shouldnt be based on content, period. Content should be balanced around classes, thus I didn't vote.

MjolnirVilkas · February 2019

I don't like Maroon 5

Maroon 5 are like the worst.

Easily_Lost · February 2019

Yes

I don't understand how balancing PVP would hurt PVE. Right now PVE is pretty easy.

MikaHR · February 2019

Yes

Juhasow wrote: »

MikaHR wrote: »

Again, which calss has these "tremnduous issues" completing ANY PvE content ingame? (not considering "vCR +3 epeen issues)

And you mean dozens. SIngle digit.

I am thinking of games's long time health and to go way of LoL/Fortnite ever growing instead WoW (and rest of PvE MMOs ever shrinking or mst dead) while you are selfish and demand to leech of of all others playign the game...adn not only that....even when you cant even financially sustain the content you DEMAND devs make YOU the focus.

That are just facts.

Again which class have "tremondous issues" when attempting anything in PvP ?

No i mean thousands. Dozens is a number reserved for Cyrodill population for most of the day.

Nah You're not thinking about games health at all. ESO is also still growing game just not game from mainstream genre. You talk that WoW is loosing players but havnt that comed to Your mind that maybe some of those players are actually coming to ESO and this is why WoW is loosing them ? It's same like with fortnite You name it as very popular title but You forgot that to become popular it devoured other titles like PUBG and many others. If some title gets popular other popular titles always loose numbers to it. Fortnite playerbase did not magically arrived from the vacuum of space they were just playing the games which now have way lower playerbase then they had. Also lets not forgot battle royale is pretty new genre and there isnt many decent titles offering it same as there isnt many MOBA titles similar to LoL and this is what generates that high numbers for those games when on the other hand there is plenty of MMO RPGs. If anyone then You're the selfish person demanding for the game to completly cut off its roots and start to be more focused on type of the gameplay that is popular atm and accidentally is also type of content You're only focused around. As for financial sustain I think You dont realize that PvE playerbase is what keeps this game going.

That are just facts

no 0,001% of dummy epeeners that only ones that "care" about "PvE balance" is not what keeps the game going. Other 99,9999999999999999999999999999999% dont care as any class can easily finish any PvE content.

And yes, people are coming from other MMOs becuase they are tired of WoW (raiding) MMO clones not becaue they want more of it. If they wanted WoW they would still be playing WoW.

You dont even have a grasp of PvP issues, but thats reckons when you spend most of your time with dummies.

DOTA, CS/GO, BF/Call of Duty every year...yeah....and i dont see any WoW clone MMOs releasing....interesting huh. And yet here you claim "People want another WoW clone!!!!!!! MOAR RAIDING!!!!!!!!PvE BALANCE!!!!!!!!!!!"...yeah....no....go play WoW for that.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · February 2019

MikaHR wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

MikaHR wrote: »

Again, which calss has these "tremnduous issues" completing ANY PvE content ingame? (not considering "vCR +3 epeen issues)

And you mean dozens. SIngle digit.

I am thinking of games's long time health and to go way of LoL/Fortnite ever growing instead WoW (and rest of PvE MMOs ever shrinking or mst dead) while you are selfish and demand to leech of of all others playign the game...adn not only that....even when you cant even financially sustain the content you DEMAND devs make YOU the focus.

That are just facts.

Again which class have "tremondous issues" when attempting anything in PvP ?

No i mean thousands. Dozens is a number reserved for Cyrodill population for most of the day.

Nah You're not thinking about games health at all. ESO is also still growing game just not game from mainstream genre. You talk that WoW is loosing players but havnt that comed to Your mind that maybe some of those players are actually coming to ESO and this is why WoW is loosing them ? It's same like with fortnite You name it as very popular title but You forgot that to become popular it devoured other titles like PUBG and many others. If some title gets popular other popular titles always loose numbers to it. Fortnite playerbase did not magically arrived from the vacuum of space they were just playing the games which now have way lower playerbase then they had. Also lets not forgot battle royale is pretty new genre and there isnt many decent titles offering it same as there isnt many MOBA titles similar to LoL and this is what generates that high numbers for those games when on the other hand there is plenty of MMO RPGs. If anyone then You're the selfish person demanding for the game to completly cut off its roots and start to be more focused on type of the gameplay that is popular atm and accidentally is also type of content You're only focused around. As for financial sustain I think You dont realize that PvE playerbase is what keeps this game going.

That are just facts

no 0,001% of dummy epeeners that only ones that "care" about "PvE balance" is not what keeps the game going. Other 99,9999999999999999999999999999999% dont care as any class can easily finish any PvE content.

You dont even have a grasp of PvP issues, but thats reckons when you spen most of your time with dummies.

Er, what?

mairwen85 · February 2019

Yes

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

MikaHR wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

MikaHR wrote: »

Again, which calss has these "tremnduous issues" completing ANY PvE content ingame? (not considering "vCR +3 epeen issues)

And you mean dozens. SIngle digit.

I am thinking of games's long time health and to go way of LoL/Fortnite ever growing instead WoW (and rest of PvE MMOs ever shrinking or mst dead) while you are selfish and demand to leech of of all others playign the game...adn not only that....even when you cant even financially sustain the content you DEMAND devs make YOU the focus.

That are just facts.

Again which class have "tremondous issues" when attempting anything in PvP ?

No i mean thousands. Dozens is a number reserved for Cyrodill population for most of the day.

Nah You're not thinking about games health at all. ESO is also still growing game just not game from mainstream genre. You talk that WoW is loosing players but havnt that comed to Your mind that maybe some of those players are actually coming to ESO and this is why WoW is loosing them ? It's same like with fortnite You name it as very popular title but You forgot that to become popular it devoured other titles like PUBG and many others. If some title gets popular other popular titles always loose numbers to it. Fortnite playerbase did not magically arrived from the vacuum of space they were just playing the games which now have way lower playerbase then they had. Also lets not forgot battle royale is pretty new genre and there isnt many decent titles offering it same as there isnt many MOBA titles similar to LoL and this is what generates that high numbers for those games when on the other hand there is plenty of MMO RPGs. If anyone then You're the selfish person demanding for the game to completly cut off its roots and start to be more focused on type of the gameplay that is popular atm and accidentally is also type of content You're only focused around. As for financial sustain I think You dont realize that PvE playerbase is what keeps this game going.

That are just facts

no 0,001% of dummy epeeners that only ones that "care" about "PvE balance" is not what keeps the game going. Other 99,9999999999999999999999999999999% dont care as any class can easily finish any PvE content.

You dont even have a grasp of PvP issues, but thats reckons when you spen most of your time with dummies.

Er, what?

Indeed.

MikaHR · February 2019

Yes

Liww wrote: »

class balance shouldnt be based on content, period. Content should be balanced around classes, thus I didn't vote.

How do you balance pvp around classes?

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

MikaHR wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

MikaHR wrote: »

Again, which calss has these "tremnduous issues" completing ANY PvE content ingame? (not considering "vCR +3 epeen issues)

And you mean dozens. SIngle digit.

I am thinking of games's long time health and to go way of LoL/Fortnite ever growing instead WoW (and rest of PvE MMOs ever shrinking or mst dead) while you are selfish and demand to leech of of all others playign the game...adn not only that....even when you cant even financially sustain the content you DEMAND devs make YOU the focus.

That are just facts.

Again which class have "tremondous issues" when attempting anything in PvP ?

No i mean thousands. Dozens is a number reserved for Cyrodill population for most of the day.

Nah You're not thinking about games health at all. ESO is also still growing game just not game from mainstream genre. You talk that WoW is loosing players but havnt that comed to Your mind that maybe some of those players are actually coming to ESO and this is why WoW is loosing them ? It's same like with fortnite You name it as very popular title but You forgot that to become popular it devoured other titles like PUBG and many others. If some title gets popular other popular titles always loose numbers to it. Fortnite playerbase did not magically arrived from the vacuum of space they were just playing the games which now have way lower playerbase then they had. Also lets not forgot battle royale is pretty new genre and there isnt many decent titles offering it same as there isnt many MOBA titles similar to LoL and this is what generates that high numbers for those games when on the other hand there is plenty of MMO RPGs. If anyone then You're the selfish person demanding for the game to completly cut off its roots and start to be more focused on type of the gameplay that is popular atm and accidentally is also type of content You're only focused around. As for financial sustain I think You dont realize that PvE playerbase is what keeps this game going.

That are just facts

no 0,001% of dummy epeeners that only ones that "care" about "PvE balance" is not what keeps the game going. Other 99,9999999999999999999999999999999% dont care as any class can easily finish any PvE content.

You dont even have a grasp of PvP issues, but thats reckons when you spen most of your time with dummies.

Er, what?

Er, what what?

Reistr_the_Unbroken · February 2019

mairwen85 wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

MikaHR wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

MikaHR wrote: »

Again, which calss has these "tremnduous issues" completing ANY PvE content ingame? (not considering "vCR +3 epeen issues)

And you mean dozens. SIngle digit.

I am thinking of games's long time health and to go way of LoL/Fortnite ever growing instead WoW (and rest of PvE MMOs ever shrinking or mst dead) while you are selfish and demand to leech of of all others playign the game...adn not only that....even when you cant even financially sustain the content you DEMAND devs make YOU the focus.

That are just facts.

Again which class have "tremondous issues" when attempting anything in PvP ?

No i mean thousands. Dozens is a number reserved for Cyrodill population for most of the day.

Nah You're not thinking about games health at all. ESO is also still growing game just not game from mainstream genre. You talk that WoW is loosing players but havnt that comed to Your mind that maybe some of those players are actually coming to ESO and this is why WoW is loosing them ? It's same like with fortnite You name it as very popular title but You forgot that to become popular it devoured other titles like PUBG and many others. If some title gets popular other popular titles always loose numbers to it. Fortnite playerbase did not magically arrived from the vacuum of space they were just playing the games which now have way lower playerbase then they had. Also lets not forgot battle royale is pretty new genre and there isnt many decent titles offering it same as there isnt many MOBA titles similar to LoL and this is what generates that high numbers for those games when on the other hand there is plenty of MMO RPGs. If anyone then You're the selfish person demanding for the game to completly cut off its roots and start to be more focused on type of the gameplay that is popular atm and accidentally is also type of content You're only focused around. As for financial sustain I think You dont realize that PvE playerbase is what keeps this game going.

That are just facts

no 0,001% of dummy epeeners that only ones that "care" about "PvE balance" is not what keeps the game going. Other 99,9999999999999999999999999999999% dont care as any class can easily finish any PvE content.

You dont even have a grasp of PvP issues, but thats reckons when you spen most of your time with dummies.

Er, what?

Indeed.

Like I’m trying to understand it but it’s mostly nonsense to me, and idk where the info is coming from, if it’s even true

xxthir13enxx · February 2019

Yes

As a Representative for the NPC’s Union, the NPC’s Feel players are out of control with Acts of Cruelty and Extreme Violence...as such they, they will be taking steps to Draw Energy from the Dev Gods to restrain the Powers of the Players in their future endeavours....
Long Live the NPCs!!!!