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Should ZOS only balance the game around PvP and not consider PvE at all?
burglar
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Bosmer Melee Magicka Nightblade
Should ZOS only balance the game around PvP and not consider PvE at all? 171 votes
Yes
20%
35 votes
Nerf PvP, it breaks PvE
42%
72 votes
Nerf Altmers
4%
7 votes
I don't like Maroon 5
33%
57 votes
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Steelshiv✭✭✭✭Nerf AltmersNerf them more. I need MORE of a challenge. If the racial changes aren't changed I'm only fighting with fists from now on.0
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dovakiin5574✭✭✭✭✭Nerf PvP, it breaks PvEThe minute ZoS buffs PvP at the expense of PvE I quitPAPSMEAR - Positively Against Paws SMEAR campaign - Say YES to crown crates12 -
Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No but they usually dont
Major nerfs to shields and sustain are good examples but people blame pvp cause pvp players are more vocals
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DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I don't like Maroon 5In today's episode of silly questions made worse with no context of supportive evidence:
Nerf Humans and Betmer.7 -
russelmmendoza✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesYes balance pvp only.
There are lots of community heroes who will adapt a build to better suit their needs for pve.
Besides cp is enough to run down story quest and overland content. Its just that the new players dont have cp.1 -
dovakiin5574✭✭✭✭✭Nerf PvP, it breaks PvE.Edited by dovakiin5574 on February 4, 2019 2:27AMPAPSMEAR - Positively Against Paws SMEAR campaign - Say YES to crown crates0
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Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't like Maroon 5Nerf the Superbowl halftime show."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard1 -
ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭Nerf PvP, it breaks PvEFocus around PVE. Remove all PVP items. Balance PVP by only using battle spirit.
My job here is done.6 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nerf PvP, it breaks PvESeparate PvP and PvE.
It's plain idiotic to continue to try to balance them together. It's an endless tug of war that will never be won.
If ZOS keeps trying to balance the modes together, it's going to ultimately do much more harm than good.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa11 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This isn't a serious question I hope.
Anyway, no. Both sides need balance and neither side should sacrifice balance for the sake of the other. ZOS needs to make a better effort to balance them separately. This could be through battle spirit, alternate ability tooltips or just having abilities that only work in pvp or in pve. Anything is better than trying (and failing) to balance both together.4 -
TheBonesXXX✭✭✭✭✭
✭They need to balance the game character to character then adjust the AI around that.0 -
Bigevilpeter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nerf PvP, it breaks PvEPvP is a hot mess that will never be balanced, PvE is suffering because of that. If anything PvP should be ignored and focus should be on PvE the thing they are doing right2 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesPvE is just you and your stats vs dumb preprogrammed mechanic, there is no balancing here except of adjusting TTK (and only when it gets to easy, otherwise we would see only buffs from PvE perspective because bosses won't feel they are UP), rest is just memorising mechanics.
PvP is more complicated and there is many ways to win.
Now you can bash me, because no matter what you say PvErs are majority here
I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.6 -
MikaHR✭✭✭✭✭YesJust ignore PvE and their brainless pre programmed health sponges. "Balance" is irrelevant in PvE.
"Can every class finish the content"? -> yes -> PvE "balance" DONE. Anything above that is complete waste of money and resources.Edited by MikaHR on February 4, 2019 9:30AM3 -
Idinuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I like Maroon 5.Edited by Idinuse on February 4, 2019 9:31AMSed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?2 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭they need to look at them separate, balance for there areaMain character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike0
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Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't like Maroon 5Balance should be done like this:
noCP PvP then CP PvP then PvE, in small increments. Sadly ZOS doesn’t seem to have the will nor the staff to undergo such a time consuming and tiresome procedure.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PvE is just you and your stats vs dumb preprogrammed mechanic, there is no balancing here except of adjusting TTK (and only when it gets to easy, otherwise we would see only buffs from PvE perspective because bosses won't feel they are UP), rest is just memorising mechanics.
PvP is more complicated and there is many ways to win.
Now you can bash me, because no matter what you say PvErs are majority here
So I assume You are proud owner of all high game end achievements since it's all just You and Your stats vs dumb preprogrammed mechanic then pros like You have done everything without a sweat ? The thing is balance in PvE is there so there wont be 1 build that can do everything like it's nothing and rest that will struggle which basically means making all builds more or less viable when attempting to do certain type of content which is excatly the goal of PvP balance also. Saying there is no such a thing as PvE balance is downright ignorant.Edited by Juhasow on February 4, 2019 10:02AM4 -
validifyedneb18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't like Maroon 5At the upper end of pve the game is broken anyway. 60k damage per dps, literally unkillabke tanks outside of 1shot mechanicsEU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
NA: Magplar, Magden, PotatoBlade0 -
SaintSubwayy✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nerf PvP, it breaks PvEAlienatedGoat wrote: »Separate PvP and PvE.
It's plain idiotic to continue to try to balance them together. It's an endless tug of war that will never be won.
If ZOS keeps trying to balance the modes together, it's going to ultimately do much more harm than good.
dunno what Battlespirit is for, when its not used to properly balance the 2 sides anyways...Balance should be done like this:
noCP PvP then CP PvP then PvE, in small increments. Sadly ZOS doesn’t seem to have the will nor the staff to undergo such a time consuming and tiresome procedure.
Have to disagree most players in this game still play PVE, even it its casualy, semi Pros or Pros, while the PVP players are split into CP and Non CP groups, so balancing for first PVP group (25% of the players base) then for the other half of PVP (25% palyersbase) and then for PVE, which holds the most players (50%) sound super bad
Dunno how the actual percenteges are, but jsut to illustrate the problem with this logic I used the numbers above.
Dont get me wrong, balancing arround PVE only is just as bad, as only arround PVP
They finally have to use Battlespirit for balancing aswell, rather that to try and balance everything togetherEdited by SaintSubwayy on February 4, 2019 10:09AMPC EU
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MikaHR✭✭✭✭✭YesSo I assume You are proud owner of all high game end achievements since it's all just You and Your stats vs dumb preprogrammed mechanic then pros like You have done everything without a sweat ? The thing is balance in PvE is there so there wont be 1 build that can do everything like it's nothing and rest that will struggle which basically means making all builds more or less viable when attempting to do certain type of content which is excatly the goal of PvP balance also. Saying there is no such a thing as PvE balance is downright ignorant.
There is a class that cant finished some PvE content? PvE "balance" completely irrelevant (except for "elite" dummy epeeners)Balance should be done like this:
noCP PvP then CP PvP then PvE, in small increments. Sadly ZOS doesn’t seem to have the will nor the staff to undergo such a time consuming and tiresome procedure.
Actually they should either remove CP completely or rework it to give utility/non combat stats/skills ONLY (treasure hunter is fine or 20% inspiration... ... ...)Edited by MikaHR on February 4, 2019 10:07AM0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Balance PvP only in the game where majority of playerbase are PvE players. What could possibly go wrong ?...
The thing that needs balance the most is that mutual hate that PvP oriented players have towards PvE oriented players and vice versa. One would not exist without another in game like ESO so balancing the emotions towards different type of content then the one preffered by someone is the main balance needed.Edited by Juhasow on February 4, 2019 10:09AM1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »Remove PVP from the game. Problems solved.
Or they could just remove the ability to make polls on the forum, that would be a better solution.3
