Emma_Overload wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

More bots -> cheaper mats, what's the problem

THIS.

All the guys griping in this thread just want to sell Kutas for 5000G. LOL, no thanks! If bots are the reason they are going for 2500G, then let them be.

That's not the reason the Kuta price dropped...

Kuta prices dropped dramatically when ZOS increased the drop rate. They used to be super expensive because you only had a chance to get them from Ta runestones, which were 1/3rd of the runestone nodes. Now, you have a chance to get them from any runestone or psijic portal, which increased the drop rate tremendously, and prices plummeted accordingly.

But aside from that nit-pick...

My problem with the "Hurray, bots drive down resource prices" argument is that its essentially saying "I'm okay with real players having to compete with AI farmers breaking the TOS because I have to pay less."

I do have a problem with cheering for people exploiting the game and breaking the TOS by botting just because you benefit from that with lower prices.

I also have a problem with expecting real players who are playing the game as intended - butt in chair, fingers on keyboard - to compete with AI farmers. The people that harms the most are new players trying to break into the resource market.

Sure, you benefit from the lower prices from mats as a buyer, especially with items like mudcrab chitin, clean pelts, and fleshfly larva (all things that bots harvested and cornered the market on on PC/NA, and promptly dropped the market price so low that actual players couldn't even make money from those items given the time/effort cost of getting them). Sellers, on the other hand, suffered from competition with bots who can harvest 24/7 on preset routes in blatant violation of the TOS.

So I'm really struggling to see how this argument of "More Bots = cheaper mats = awesome!" isn't a selfish viewpoint here.

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Remember folks, real Gamemasters have a (z) next to their name. Don't be fooled by imposters.

Were you playing when some wonderful stellar examples of humanity caused problems by making fake gamemaster-looking screen names? There was, unfortunately, a reason they had to make that loading screen message.

Skwor wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

You whole argument fails, perhaps you should address my post above first. 76 provable, easily 150+ of those I lost in the crash of bot reports over the last year on the same 4 bots. You want to justify the failure to address so much reporting of the same 4 for at least a year?

[snip] I don't think anything, I know! I provided facts on this issue.

Exactly when does it become useless to make bot reports? You think a years worth of reports totaling over 150 is just not enough of a threshold for Zen to care? Why is that then not also an issue? Why bother reporting anything on bots if 150+ reports on the same bots for a very long duration does not even make a blip on their radar?

[Edit for bait.]

Mainly, I was telling how I think the big picture is. Whether you choose to accept that, is up to you.

I've been watching and reporting bots on PC NA since 2014. I know quite a bit about the subject, at least on PC NA. Out of the most recent 728 suspicious players that are logged in my add-on, 98% of them no longer appear to be active in the game. I have not reported all of them, as this is usually not even necessary, but 100% of the ones that I have reported are gone from the game. Now, I don't know why they go away, but they do.

I admit that I once felt much the same as you. This happened after the same bot ran through Shadowfen for months. I took a whole quarter year off from reporting bots and simply watched to see if they would go away. They did go away. All of them. Including the one from Shadowfen.

Is it useless to report the bots? Depends. If you mean that reporting them helps get them removed from the game, it is not useless. If you mean that the botters just create more bots, then probably.

I think that ZOS has a serious problem with bots and cheaters. No one should feel obligated to report them, but if time and willingness permit, I think they should be reported. After that, forget about the bots that were reported. ZOS does appear to be dealing with them. Maybe not super fast, but they are dealing with them. At least on PC NA.

And yet I have been reporting the same bots in Craiglorn of over a year and they still keep botting. I fully understand new bots popping up, my issue is with the egregious failure of Zen in allowing these long term bots to continue. I also have been PC NA since 2014.

I farm ALOT, my typical 2 week refine is 10k each mat, yes that is 40k refined every 2 weeks (all farmed) and almost all of it Craiglorn. I am not just spewing garbage when I say they have done very little and from my empirical data nothing to address the bot issue in Craiglorn over the last year.

Several others in zone have been also reporting the same bots, this is hardly isolated to me.

Where in Craglorn? Every time I have gone there to look for bots, there are none about.

Skwor wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

You whole argument fails, perhaps you should address my post above first. 76 provable, easily 150+ of those I lost in the crash of bot reports over the last year on the same 4 bots. You want to justify the failure to address so much reporting of the same 4 for at least a year?

[snip] I don't think anything, I know! I provided facts on this issue.

Exactly when does it become useless to make bot reports? You think a years worth of reports totaling over 150 is just not enough of a threshold for Zen to care? Why is that then not also an issue? Why bother reporting anything on bots if 150+ reports on the same bots for a very long duration does not even make a blip on their radar?

[Edit for bait.]

Mainly, I was telling how I think the big picture is. Whether you choose to accept that, is up to you.

I've been watching and reporting bots on PC NA since 2014. I know quite a bit about the subject, at least on PC NA. Out of the most recent 728 suspicious players that are logged in my add-on, 98% of them no longer appear to be active in the game. I have not reported all of them, as this is usually not even necessary, but 100% of the ones that I have reported are gone from the game. Now, I don't know why they go away, but they do.

I admit that I once felt much the same as you. This happened after the same bot ran through Shadowfen for months. I took a whole quarter year off from reporting bots and simply watched to see if they would go away. They did go away. All of them. Including the one from Shadowfen.

Is it useless to report the bots? Depends. If you mean that reporting them helps get them removed from the game, it is not useless. If you mean that the botters just create more bots, then probably.

I think that ZOS has a serious problem with bots and cheaters. No one should feel obligated to report them, but if time and willingness permit, I think they should be reported. After that, forget about the bots that were reported. ZOS does appear to be dealing with them. Maybe not super fast, but they are dealing with them. At least on PC NA.

And yet I have been reporting the same bots in Craiglorn of over a year and they still keep botting. I fully understand new bots popping up, my issue is with the egregious failure of Zen in allowing these long term bots to continue. I also have been PC NA since 2014.

I farm ALOT, my typical 2 week refine is 10k each mat, yes that is 40k refined every 2 weeks (all farmed) and almost all of it Craiglorn. I am not just spewing garbage when I say they have done very little and from my empirical data nothing to address the bot issue in Craiglorn over the last year.

Several others in zone have been also reporting the same bots, this is hardly isolated to me.

Where in Craglorn? Every time I have gone there to look for bots, there are none about.

Upper Craiglorn, don't look the the bot trains, look for the slow jogging path bot. The bot runs the same route in a slow run, will pause just before a nod, bump up to it, farm it then move on.

A simple test is run just before the bot and grab the next node and it will usually still run up pause at the nod then run to move on. You can do this for as long as you like they keep repeating the behavior, they always run up to the nod anyway and never complain about it, they say nothing and give no response when sent a tell. One day I spent over an hour farming the next nod each time on the bot, so I have no doubt these are bots (it sucked but I wanted to be 100 percent sure)

I just finished farming Caiglorn this morning at 1:45 PM. There were two of the four bots running around right now that I am specifically talking about. The first two letters of each bot are "Je" and "Ch": As usual I reported them again.

Usually, when people talk about bots, they are talking about the trains. I usually hunt the solitary ones, so I will go look in upper.

It would be trivially easy to give players powerful bot-busting tools, but ZOS has neglected to do so for reasons that seem to be bad business ethics. They want to sell more copies of the game, and botters buy games. If they let us bust bots and clean up the game, they'd make less money.

They won't reply to this or the 1000 other threads about bots. By absolutely ignoring the issue, ZOS doesn't have to explicitly come out and confess that they value botter money over real players and a healthy game.

So ZOS... you can see that there is a major issue going on in your game. How about you respond and tell us, the REAL poeple playing your game, what you are doing about it.

ZOS are actually doing something. Not fast enough though.

TheInfernalRage wrote: »

ZOS are actually doing something. Not fast enough though.

So, since us normal, everyday players can not see what they are doing, maybe, just maybe, one of them could take 5 minutes out of their schedule to let us know what is going on.

They Do respond to Bot threads because 2 months ago I posted a thread that had a list of the bots gamer tags in it and they not only removed the list of names, but closed the post for "Naming and Shaming".

Don’t even get me started with bots and gold sellers🤬

Issue with bots is the same with a hydra, cut one head off two take its place. As long as ppl go to them for gold they will continue.

Skwor wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Issue with bots is the same with a hydra, cut one head off two take its place. As long as ppl go to them for gold they will continue.

And yet the hydra was defeated quite easily once it was understood. 😉

Yea though this ones using /tgm

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Zos, is doing a great job of ruining their game by themselves. The cash grab and underhanded tactics with race change tokens, constantly ignoring the longtime player base, the server issues, and all the other issues on performance take far more importance then bots, smh.

Oh look it's another idiot who's never played a mmo. Balance changes happen all the time be it skills, classes or race. There are always changes, they are giving 3 tokens (more than most havgames consider) they also don't sell advantages in the crown shop. Nor lvl boosters. So sit down and educate your self before you pist.

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

It would be trivially easy to give players powerful bot-busting tools, but ZOS has neglected to do so for reasons that seem to be bad business ethics. They want to sell more copies of the game, and botters buy games. If they let us bust bots and clean up the game, they'd make less money.

They won't reply to this or the 1000 other threads about bots. By absolutely ignoring the issue, ZOS doesn't have to explicitly come out and confess that they value botter money over real players and a healthy game.

Yes, trivially easy to give players powerful bot-busting tools. And of course none of the players would *ever* abuse those tools. There aren't any players who throw hissy fits and send tells/whispers about reporting other players who did nothing other than *** them off by playing the game. How many threads have been on here..."Some !@#** ran up while I was fighting and STOLE MY NODE!!!!!!!!!!" or "What should I do? I was trying to complete a quest, and another player started yelling at me to get out of the area because that was where they were farming, and threatened to report me for being a bot that was stealing their kills." Giving out bot-busting powers to players will work out wonderfully, fantastically well, I'm sure. /sarcasm

So, Once again EVERY metal node has a bot on it in Bleakrock on XBox NA Server.

And STILL NO response from ZOS on here, or any other way to tell US, the true people who pay their paychecks every month with our continued payment for eso plus and the purchase of the new chapters.

I CHALLENGE ALL FARMERS IN ESO TO CANCEL THEIR ESO PLUS FOR 1 MONTH AND LET ZOS SEE HOW MUCH IT HURTS THEM FOR NOT CARING ABOUT THE REAL PLAYERS OF THEIR GAME.

lordrichter wrote: »

onyx6977 wrote: »

So, Once again EVERY metal node has a bot on it in Bleakrock on XBox NA Server.

And STILL NO response from ZOS on here, or any other way to tell US, the true people who pay their paychecks every month with our continued payment for eso plus and the purchase of the new chapters.

I CHALLENGE ALL FARMERS IN ESO TO CANCEL THEIR ESO PLUS FOR 1 MONTH AND LET ZOS SEE HOW MUCH IT HURTS THEM FOR NOT CARING ABOUT THE REAL PLAYERS OF THEIR GAME.

They responded to a similar thread for PS4 bots yesterday. Same advice applies here. Report them in-game. It's faster.

We on XBOX DO report them in game and there are still there even 2 weeks later..... simple reporting system for XBOX. Killing an account isn't the solution anymore cause the owners just make new accounts. They need to ban the xbox from their servers or something.