Get_Packed wrote: »I thought pelinials was a scroll for an event.
SkysOutThizeOut wrote: »@technohic minor sorcery is 10% now.
<---- Scratches head. Pelinal makes you a hybrid, yet you keep talking about stam and mag DKs / templars. This seems a superficial analysis to me. Medium armor passives buff weapon damage. The default option of any Pelinal's build is to use that and stack weapon damage. While Kena and Balorgh give you spell damage, there are more choices for weapon damage. What spell damage set do you have? Somehow I think that Spell Strategist being tied to a target won't be translated by Pelinal's. On the other hand there are many weapon damage proc sets to choose from. You could also argue that NB and Warden give you access to Minor Berserk, which buffs all damage, and therefore makes those classes a good fit.
I've tried Pelinal's many times, sometimes just to get Vigor on a magicka build or Honor the Dead on a stamina build. It's never worked well, whether with balanced or unbalanced stat pools. Some builds were decent, but simply swapping medium Pelinal's for plain old Bone Pirate, for example, made the build better. I've never figured out a really good hybrid.<---- Scratches head. Pelinal makes you a hybrid, yet you keep talking about stam and mag DKs / templars. This seems a superficial analysis to me. Medium armor passives buff weapon damage. The default option of any Pelinal's build is to use that and stack weapon damage. While Kena and Balorgh give you spell damage, there are more choices for weapon damage. What spell damage set do you have? Somehow I think that Spell Strategist being tied to a target won't be translated by Pelinal's. On the other hand there are many weapon damage proc sets to choose from. You could also argue that NB and Warden give you access to Minor Berserk, which buffs all damage, and therefore makes those classes a good fit.
Hes referring to (I am assuming as its the way I am looking at it) is you are still likely to have one be your primary because of penetration and crit so even though you are hybrid, youd focus more on one damage type.
<---- Scratches head. Pelinal makes you a hybrid, yet you keep talking about stam and mag DKs / templars. This seems a superficial analysis to me. Medium armor passives buff weapon damage. The default option of any Pelinal's build is to use that and stack weapon damage. While Kena and Balorgh give you spell damage, there are more choices for weapon damage. What spell damage set do you have? Somehow I think that Spell Strategist being tied to a target won't be translated by Pelinal's. On the other hand there are many weapon damage proc sets to choose from. You could also argue that NB and Warden give you access to Minor Berserk, which buffs all damage, and therefore makes those classes a good fit.
I've tried Pelinal's many times, sometimes just to get Vigor on a magicka build or Honor the Dead on a stamina build. It's never worked well, whether with balanced or unbalanced stat pools. Some builds were decent, but simply swapping medium Pelinal's for plain old Bone Pirate, for example, made the build better. I've never figured out a really good hybrid.<---- Scratches head. Pelinal makes you a hybrid, yet you keep talking about stam and mag DKs / templars. This seems a superficial analysis to me. Medium armor passives buff weapon damage. The default option of any Pelinal's build is to use that and stack weapon damage. While Kena and Balorgh give you spell damage, there are more choices for weapon damage. What spell damage set do you have? Somehow I think that Spell Strategist being tied to a target won't be translated by Pelinal's. On the other hand there are many weapon damage proc sets to choose from. You could also argue that NB and Warden give you access to Minor Berserk, which buffs all damage, and therefore makes those classes a good fit.
Hes referring to (I am assuming as its the way I am looking at it) is you are still likely to have one be your primary because of penetration and crit so even though you are hybrid, youd focus more on one damage type.
Crit is a problem, although there are a few things you can do. Slimecraw buffs everything, including both types of crit. Flames of Oblivion gives you both Savagery and Prophecy. Pierce Armor gives you both types of pen. I wouldn't mind a stamina build with a ranged execute, but everything I've tried, thus far, has been lacklustre.
I've tried Pelinal's many times, sometimes just to get Vigor on a magicka build or Honor the Dead on a stamina build. It's never worked well, whether with balanced or unbalanced stat pools. Some builds were decent, but simply swapping medium Pelinal's for plain old Bone Pirate, for example, made the build better. I've never figured out a really good hybrid.<---- Scratches head. Pelinal makes you a hybrid, yet you keep talking about stam and mag DKs / templars. This seems a superficial analysis to me. Medium armor passives buff weapon damage. The default option of any Pelinal's build is to use that and stack weapon damage. While Kena and Balorgh give you spell damage, there are more choices for weapon damage. What spell damage set do you have? Somehow I think that Spell Strategist being tied to a target won't be translated by Pelinal's. On the other hand there are many weapon damage proc sets to choose from. You could also argue that NB and Warden give you access to Minor Berserk, which buffs all damage, and therefore makes those classes a good fit.
Hes referring to (I am assuming as its the way I am looking at it) is you are still likely to have one be your primary because of penetration and crit so even though you are hybrid, youd focus more on one damage type.
Crit is a problem, although there are a few things you can do. Slimecraw buffs everything, including both types of crit. Flames of Oblivion gives you both Savagery and Prophecy. Pierce Armor gives you both types of pen. I wouldn't mind a stamina build with a ranged execute, but everything I've tried, thus far, has been lacklustre.
SkysOutThizeOut wrote: »@mav1234 engine guardian
OK I have my khajiit templar speced with ravager, pelinals, bloodspawn. 5 1 1 light.Running 2h front bar, back bar 1h-shield because I want to keep defile. Front bar I am sitting about 500 less weapon damage than if I ran my usual full stam ravager Cyrodiils ward. Got my mag recovery to match what my stam was and my health and magicka matches about what my health and stam did before. Missing the crit bonus I would have with stam as well for Khajiit. Going to light from medium, I have more penetration and less damage. I still have repentance as I feel that will help my stam in a pinch.
I want to see it on TC as I will be gaining some health, stam, and magicka, and mag recovery and spell crit on khajiit. The resource pools should allow me to flip some more into weapon damage. Im used to 15kish vigors. Right now I am sitting close to 10k vigor tooltip when procced and around 11k HTD.
Point of concern: Ravagers still procing but doesnt feel as often. Either need more testing or Im only getting it from light attack weaves
OK I have my khajiit templar speced with ravager, pelinals, bloodspawn. 5 1 1 light.Running 2h front bar, back bar 1h-shield because I want to keep defile. Front bar I am sitting about 500 less weapon damage than if I ran my usual full stam ravager Cyrodiils ward. Got my mag recovery to match what my stam was and my health and magicka matches about what my health and stam did before. Missing the crit bonus I would have with stam as well for Khajiit. Going to light from medium, I have more penetration and less damage. I still have repentance as I feel that will help my stam in a pinch.
I want to see it on TC as I will be gaining some health, stam, and magicka, and mag recovery and spell crit on khajiit. The resource pools should allow me to flip some more into weapon damage. Im used to 15kish vigors. Right now I am sitting close to 10k vigor tooltip when procced and around 11k HTD.
Point of concern: Ravagers still procing but doesnt feel as often. Either need more testing or Im only getting it from light attack weaves
Dark elf will be good for this build next patch and run a vamp for the extra sustain.
SkysOutThizeOut wrote: »In this post I want to provide my thoughts on what Pelinials means to various classes and why it's an effective set on a Mag DK and has potential for Stamplars.
DRAGONKNIGHTS
1. DK is the only class that has minor brutality. If you invest all damage into weapon damage, you capitalize on the minor brutality buff and turn Pelinials into a damage set, as well as a utility one. It opens the door to all other weapon damage sets. This is why my mag damage "hybrid" DK was and is so successful. Bottom line: Pelinials is a damage set for a mag dk if used properly (300-400 spell damage from 5th set piece) and offers increased utility with non-traditional heals for mag characters.
2. Pelinials is ineffective on a stam dk. Why? Because you immediately deny yourself a legitimate sustain set and significantly diminish your damage and stam heals as a result. You can gain utility and tankyness through the magdk heals and in turn sustain in a different way, but if that's the goal... you'd be better off running a tank set or building into sustain to outlast an opponent.
TEMPLARS
1. The only other possible class that could potentially benefit from Pelinials the way a magicka damage dk can is a stamina damage templar because templars have minor sorcery and thus minor sorcery will allow a stamina damage templar to run all spell damage to gain potentially more weapon damage and gain utility in mag heals. If a stamina templar chooses to do this, they will want to do it in heavy because the medium armor weapon damage passive will be ineffective stacking into spell damage.
2. For the same reason pelinials isn't effective for stam dks, it isn't effective for magplars.
Idea for heavy armor stamplar with consistent damage. Pelinials with rattle/overwhelming surge/soulshine. All SD glyphs.
OTHER CLASSES
As far as I can tell, any other class that attempts a hybrid build with pelinials will only be limiting their potential since no other class has access to minor brutality/sorcery.
If you disagree please share what you know or point out what I am missing.
Drizzt Do'Liftin
Mag Dk Hybrid Build for those who haven't seen it
I swapped ravager for 7th legion and moved it to my NB where I am really wanting to use all those magicka abilities but do not like the magicka heals. Lets me get vigor and I always wanted FM on a magblade anyway as all the mobility the class has is wasted if your are rooted and snared.
Running something like mark with breech and fracture, (or if I opted to go with ele drain, theres just so many damned NBs these days) Im wondering if medium wouldnt be better. Thing is, I am getting some crit damage to go with the NB crit bonuses and decent sustain.
I swapped ravager for 7th legion and moved it to my NB where I am really wanting to use all those magicka abilities but do not like the magicka heals. Lets me get vigor and I always wanted FM on a magblade anyway as all the mobility the class has is wasted if your are rooted and snared.
Running something like mark with breech and fracture, (or if I opted to go with ele drain, theres just so many damned NBs these days) Im wondering if medium wouldnt be better. Thing is, I am getting some crit damage to go with the NB crit bonuses and decent sustain.
Curious to hear how it goes for you. I've been running 7th on my hybrid nb (light pelinals) in bgs and I've found it to be decent, but I ultimately end up just feeling like stamblade is unequivocally better... which about sums how I feel on melee magblade in general haha.
SkysOutThizeOut wrote: »@888and888 watch my build video, re-read this post, then come back and ask questions and I’ll do my best to answer. I can’t explain how it works any better than I have already.