Fiery Breath 10 Meter Range v. Scorch/Arrow Spray/Blessing of Protection/Encase/Wall of Elements etc

GrumpyDuckling · January 2019

The current range of the Dragonknight's skill Fiery Breath and its morphs is inconsistent to similar skills that are conal, aoe, and require aim:

Scorch (Warden) - 20 meters
Arrow Spray (Bow) - 20 meters
Blessing of Protection (Restoration Staff) - 20 meters
Fungal Growth (Warden) - 20 meters
Encase (Sorcerer) - 18 meters
Wall of Elements (Destruction Staff) - 18 meters
Path of Darkness (Nightblade) - 17 meters
Fiery Breath (Dragonknight) - 10 meters

Information for ranges pulled from:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Classes

Rukzadlithau · January 2019

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codestripper · January 2019

Basically this:

I'm all for it!

Feric51 · January 2019

Not sure why you included Encase in there as a comparable skill... Encase is not a damage dealing skill, and even if you use the shattering prison morph the damage is negligible and not considered a selling point.

Puncturing Strikes (Templar) would be a better direct comparison, and it has an 8m x 6m range.

GrumpyDuckling · January 2019

Feric51 wrote: »

Not sure why you included Encase in there as a comparable skill... Encase is not a damage dealing skill, and even if you use the shattering prison morph the damage is negligible and not considered a selling point.

Puncturing Strikes (Templar) would be a better direct comparison, and it has an 8m x 6m range.

Damage isn't relevant to the type of skill (see Blessing of Protection, which doesn't do damage either). These are skills that are conal/aoe in effect.

I don't think Puncturing Strikes is a good comparison because it functions differently -- as a spammable melee range skill.

Edziu · January 2019

and what is the point of this thread? you gave us only info about those skills and thats all

but I think you are upset as how shor range is this fiery breath?
if yes then I will explain you this skill is and was always supposed to be melee skill like most other dk skills at all

Amphithoe · January 2019

brandonv516 · January 2019

Whip should have a 28m range too.

GrumpyDuckling · January 2019

Edziu wrote: »

and what is the point of this thread? you gave us only info about those skills and thats all

but I think you are upset as how shor range is this fiery breath?
if yes then I will explain you this skill is and was always supposed to be melee skill like most other dk skills at all

The point of the thread is mentioned in the first line. "The current range of the Dragonknight's skill Fiery Breath and its morphs is inconsistent to similar skills that are conal, aoe, and require aim."

Berenhir · January 2019

brandonv516 wrote: »

Whip should have a 28m range too.

brandonv516 · January 2019

Berenhir wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Whip should have a 28m range too.

TrinityBreaker · January 2019

brandonv516 wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Whip should have a 28m range too.

Gimme

Andele · January 2019

Personally id love it if it became a channeled skill, base damage and debuffs applying even if tapped, but instead of a dot, it repeated 15% of its cost to deal half the damage every 0.5s while the cone keeps growing.

But then again most of my ideas go against ESO combat/stacking as many dots while canceling instants for pve or burst for pvp.

usmcjdking · January 2019

Whip is new High Brontide?

Derra · January 2019

The only comparable skill would in my opinion be acid spray.
Comparable total dmg - comparable mechanic.

However breath offers a unique debuff on top increasing all fire dmg by 10% and costs about 20% less - which imo warrants the lower range.

Not totally opposed to increasing the range if other numbers get tweaked though.

Kadoin · January 2019

I honestly have no idea when or how the skill will hit anyone, so I don't slot it. I don't like having to shake the camera back and forth fast to actually use a skill.

Feanor · January 2019

Kadoin wrote: »

I honestly have no idea when or how the skill will hit anyone, so I don't slot it. I don't like having to shake the camera back and forth fast to actually use a skill.

Yes I think it’s not the range but the hit box that is the issue (along with the ever present asynchronicity in PvP). IIRC ZOS put in a fix with one of the last patches, but I need to dust off my DKs to see if that helped.

casparian · January 2019

usmcjdking wrote: »

Whip is new High Brontide?

Stop, you'll make me start thinking of all the ways ESO could add good mechanics from Dragon's Dogma and then I'll get sad.

Rake · January 2019

brandonv516 wrote: »

Whip should have a 28m range too.

YES

md3788 · January 2019

So since it's conal/AOE, that means it must be the same range as a skill such as WOE? I just don't get the logic here. Everyone knows by now that DKs are melee range, so it fits that the skill has a 10 meter range.

GrumpyDuckling · January 2019

md3788 wrote: »

So since it's conal/AOE, that means it must be the same range as a skill such as WOE? I just don't get the logic here. Everyone knows by now that DKs are melee range, so it fits that the skill has a 10 meter range.

Oh, well if everyone "knows by now that DKs are melee range" then how can we compete with that logic?

sly007 · January 2019

md3788 wrote: »

So since it's conal/AOE, that means it must be the same range as a skill such as WOE? I just don't get the logic here. Everyone knows by now that DKs are melee range, so it fits that the skill has a 10 meter range.

Disagree. DK is melee, yes, but that does not mean everything they do should be melee. Templars are melee (because of jabs) but a lot of their attacks are ranged.