Battleground Flag Games Broken State : DK Wings Need Cool-down or Other Treatment
-
robpr✭✭✭✭✭
✭
Cool, but no other skill in game negates entire playstyle
)))
You sure? Cloak forces you to equip AoE, detection skill or pot, otherwise NB will always go away anytime he/she wants.
Templar's purge negates any dot build.
Sorc's Negate, well negates all magicka abilities.
Warden's ice bullcrap negates all "speed fighters"
It's like complaining that scissors can't beat the rock.
If not Wings and Crystalline Shield, BGs/Cyro would turn into trench fights who-has-bigger-range and make melee obsolete.Edited by robpr on January 28, 2019 1:09PM6 -
rafaelcsmaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭As Joy stated, most of this game is meant to be played as a team. Don't expect you toon to be able to counter every single spec in the game and you'll be good.
I played mostly sorc in pvp since launch, are DKs a pita? yes, im a ranged build. What do I do? I stun em, target someone else and let my team mates go for the kill. "Oh but what if my team is full ranged mag builds?" Then the problem is on you, try building a football squad with only wide receivers and see what happens.4 -
John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Another nerf DK wings post? Read the many other posts about how to counter wings and adapt.
Ok, please explain counter:
I am on Magicka Range NB, Sorcerer, Templar so what are counters while DK running with Relic or Chaos Ball?
My lighting attack, most of range skills (causing snares/stun etc.) are reflecting while DK spamming wings.
Please do not tell to slot Melee Skills or stop doing light attack.
Cripple does not reflect nor does force pulse this for the MagBlade.
Pls don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about cripple gets reflected
Force pulse doesn't cool, kill someone with just flame lash spam let's see how does that work out will you
Play magblade myself sometimes in BG never noticed cripple being reflected but oke. My approach is to target other members of the team and once the dk is in offense wings up time will not be, stun and get him.
StamDK wings up time is very expensive if they can keep this up all of the time then they most have sufferred there offense by a lot. This skill is very similiar to cloak and shields. They are effective however it can be counterred many builds in this game and many situations. If you dedicted yourself to only 1 approach accept you will always find your impossible to beat appontent in this game
Cool, but no other skill in game negates entire playstyle)))
So the playstyle was to keep distance and gun down the melee-only class (even when magicka) with ranged heavy-hitters? Sounds like magicka's snipe spam envy.
Keep dropping wings with light attacks. Keep harness magicka up to get your magicka back. Count to six, fear, cripple, gun down. Or reset the fight by cloaking if DK goes at you with wings on. I thought that PvP people pride themselves in not being one-trick ponies, but at the same time I see them wanting their favorite combos to always work on everything.Edited by John_Falstaff on January 28, 2019 1:16PM7 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Another nerf DK wings post? Read the many other posts about how to counter wings and adapt.
Ok, please explain counter:
I am on Magicka Range NB, Sorcerer, Templar so what are counters while DK running with Relic or Chaos Ball?
My lighting attack, most of range skills (causing snares/stun etc.) are reflecting while DK spamming wings.
Please do not tell to slot Melee Skills or stop doing light attack.
Cripple does not reflect nor does force pulse this for the MagBlade.
Pls don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about cripple gets reflected
Force pulse doesn't cool, kill someone with just flame lash spam let's see how does that work out will you
Play magblade myself sometimes in BG never noticed cripple being reflected but oke. My approach is to target other members of the team and once the dk is in offense wings up time will not be, stun and get him.
StamDK wings up time is very expensive if they can keep this up all of the time then they most have sufferred there offense by a lot. This skill is very similiar to cloak and shields. They are effective however it can be counterred many builds in this game and many situations. If you dedicted yourself to only 1 approach accept you will always find your impossible to beat appontent in this game
Cool, but no other skill in game negates entire playstyle)))
CLOAKXbox EU & NA - PVP Only4 -
biggda76✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Another nerf DK wings post? Read the many other posts about how to counter wings and adapt.
Ok, please explain counter:
I am on Magicka Range NB, Sorcerer, Templar so what are counters while DK running with Relic or Chaos Ball?
My lighting attack, most of range skills (causing snares/stun etc.) are reflecting while DK spamming wings.
Please do not tell to slot Melee Skills or stop doing light attack.
Cripple does not reflect nor does force pulse this for the MagBlade.
Pls don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about cripple gets reflected
Force pulse doesn't cool, kill someone with just flame lash spam let's see how does that work out will you
Play magblade myself sometimes in BG never noticed cripple being reflected but oke. My approach is to target other members of the team and once the dk is in offense wings up time will not be, stun and get him.
StamDK wings up time is very expensive if they can keep this up all of the time then they most have sufferred there offense by a lot. This skill is very similiar to cloak and shields. They are effective however it can be counterred many builds in this game and many situations. If you dedicted yourself to only 1 approach accept you will always find your impossible to beat appontent in this game
Cool, but no other skill in game negates entire playstyle)))
CLOAK
APE1 -
biggda76✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Another nerf DK wings post? Read the many other posts about how to counter wings and adapt.
Ok, please explain counter:
I am on Magicka Range NB, Sorcerer, Templar so what are counters while DK running with Relic or Chaos Ball?
My lighting attack, most of range skills (causing snares/stun etc.) are reflecting while DK spamming wings.
Please do not tell to slot Melee Skills or stop doing light attack.
Cripple does not reflect nor does force pulse this for the MagBlade.
Pls don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about cripple gets reflected
Force pulse doesn't cool, kill someone with just flame lash spam let's see how does that work out will you
Play magblade myself sometimes in BG never noticed cripple being reflected but oke. My approach is to target other members of the team and once the dk is in offense wings up time will not be, stun and get him.
StamDK wings up time is very expensive if they can keep this up all of the time then they most have sufferred there offense by a lot. This skill is very similiar to cloak and shields. They are effective however it can be counterred many builds in this game and many situations. If you dedicted yourself to only 1 approach accept you will always find your impossible to beat appontent in this game
Cool, but no other skill in game negates entire playstyle)))
CLOAK
pls come pts kill me on godly magblade i'll come dk0 -
biggda76✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Another nerf DK wings post? Read the many other posts about how to counter wings and adapt.
Ok, please explain counter:
I am on Magicka Range NB, Sorcerer, Templar so what are counters while DK running with Relic or Chaos Ball?
My lighting attack, most of range skills (causing snares/stun etc.) are reflecting while DK spamming wings.
Please do not tell to slot Melee Skills or stop doing light attack.
Cripple does not reflect nor does force pulse this for the MagBlade.
Pls don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about cripple gets reflected
Force pulse doesn't cool, kill someone with just flame lash spam let's see how does that work out will you
Play magblade myself sometimes in BG never noticed cripple being reflected but oke. My approach is to target other members of the team and once the dk is in offense wings up time will not be, stun and get him.
StamDK wings up time is very expensive if they can keep this up all of the time then they most have sufferred there offense by a lot. This skill is very similiar to cloak and shields. They are effective however it can be counterred many builds in this game and many situations. If you dedicted yourself to only 1 approach accept you will always find your impossible to beat appontent in this game
Cool, but no other skill in game negates entire playstyle)))
So the playstyle was to keep distance and gun down the melee-only class (even when magicka) with ranged heavy-hitters? Sounds like magicka's snipe spam envy.
Keep dropping wings with light attacks. Keep harness magicka up to get your magicka back. Count to six, fear, cripple, gun down. Or reset the fight by cloaking if DK goes at you with wings on. I thought that PvP people pride themselves in not being one-trick ponies, but at the same time I see them wanting their favorite combos to always work on everything.
i just cba to explain another time in these *** forums why what you just said is brain dead. name 1 thing that is as countered as that. just 1. also tbh i'd love to fight in melee anyway cause melee ult but thats like death sentence with wings0 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Another nerf DK wings post? Read the many other posts about how to counter wings and adapt.
Ok, please explain counter:
I am on Magicka Range NB, Sorcerer, Templar so what are counters while DK running with Relic or Chaos Ball?
My lighting attack, most of range skills (causing snares/stun etc.) are reflecting while DK spamming wings.
Please do not tell to slot Melee Skills or stop doing light attack.
Cripple does not reflect nor does force pulse this for the MagBlade.
Pls don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about cripple gets reflected
Force pulse doesn't cool, kill someone with just flame lash spam let's see how does that work out will you
Play magblade myself sometimes in BG never noticed cripple being reflected but oke. My approach is to target other members of the team and once the dk is in offense wings up time will not be, stun and get him.
StamDK wings up time is very expensive if they can keep this up all of the time then they most have sufferred there offense by a lot. This skill is very similiar to cloak and shields. They are effective however it can be counterred many builds in this game and many situations. If you dedicted yourself to only 1 approach accept you will always find your impossible to beat appontent in this game
Cool, but no other skill in game negates entire playstyle)))
CLOAK
APE
DONKEYXbox EU & NA - PVP Only0 -
biggda76✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Another nerf DK wings post? Read the many other posts about how to counter wings and adapt.
Ok, please explain counter:
I am on Magicka Range NB, Sorcerer, Templar so what are counters while DK running with Relic or Chaos Ball?
My lighting attack, most of range skills (causing snares/stun etc.) are reflecting while DK spamming wings.
Please do not tell to slot Melee Skills or stop doing light attack.
Cripple does not reflect nor does force pulse this for the MagBlade.
Pls don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about cripple gets reflected
Force pulse doesn't cool, kill someone with just flame lash spam let's see how does that work out will you
Play magblade myself sometimes in BG never noticed cripple being reflected but oke. My approach is to target other members of the team and once the dk is in offense wings up time will not be, stun and get him.
StamDK wings up time is very expensive if they can keep this up all of the time then they most have sufferred there offense by a lot. This skill is very similiar to cloak and shields. They are effective however it can be counterred many builds in this game and many situations. If you dedicted yourself to only 1 approach accept you will always find your impossible to beat appontent in this game
Cool, but no other skill in game negates entire playstyle)))
CLOAK
APE
DONKEY
come duel pts plsEdited by biggda76 on January 28, 2019 2:19PM0 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Another nerf DK wings post? Read the many other posts about how to counter wings and adapt.
Ok, please explain counter:
I am on Magicka Range NB, Sorcerer, Templar so what are counters while DK running with Relic or Chaos Ball?
My lighting attack, most of range skills (causing snares/stun etc.) are reflecting while DK spamming wings.
Please do not tell to slot Melee Skills or stop doing light attack.
Cripple does not reflect nor does force pulse this for the MagBlade.
Pls don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about cripple gets reflected
Force pulse doesn't cool, kill someone with just flame lash spam let's see how does that work out will you
Play magblade myself sometimes in BG never noticed cripple being reflected but oke. My approach is to target other members of the team and once the dk is in offense wings up time will not be, stun and get him.
StamDK wings up time is very expensive if they can keep this up all of the time then they most have sufferred there offense by a lot. This skill is very similiar to cloak and shields. They are effective however it can be counterred many builds in this game and many situations. If you dedicted yourself to only 1 approach accept you will always find your impossible to beat appontent in this game
Cool, but no other skill in game negates entire playstyle)))
CLOAK
APE
DONKEY
come duel pts pls
That didn't take long you got REKT, shall we go for another round?
Xbox EU & NA - PVP Only0 -
biggda76✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Another nerf DK wings post? Read the many other posts about how to counter wings and adapt.
Ok, please explain counter:
I am on Magicka Range NB, Sorcerer, Templar so what are counters while DK running with Relic or Chaos Ball?
My lighting attack, most of range skills (causing snares/stun etc.) are reflecting while DK spamming wings.
Please do not tell to slot Melee Skills or stop doing light attack.
Cripple does not reflect nor does force pulse this for the MagBlade.
Pls don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about cripple gets reflected
Force pulse doesn't cool, kill someone with just flame lash spam let's see how does that work out will you
Play magblade myself sometimes in BG never noticed cripple being reflected but oke. My approach is to target other members of the team and once the dk is in offense wings up time will not be, stun and get him.
StamDK wings up time is very expensive if they can keep this up all of the time then they most have sufferred there offense by a lot. This skill is very similiar to cloak and shields. They are effective however it can be counterred many builds in this game and many situations. If you dedicted yourself to only 1 approach accept you will always find your impossible to beat appontent in this game
Cool, but no other skill in game negates entire playstyle)))
CLOAK
APE
DONKEY
come duel pts pls
That didn't take long you got REKT, shall we go for another round?
Sure but, how about we do a first one when PTS is up
Edited by biggda76 on January 28, 2019 2:33PM0 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Another nerf DK wings post? Read the many other posts about how to counter wings and adapt.
Ok, please explain counter:
I am on Magicka Range NB, Sorcerer, Templar so what are counters while DK running with Relic or Chaos Ball?
My lighting attack, most of range skills (causing snares/stun etc.) are reflecting while DK spamming wings.
Please do not tell to slot Melee Skills or stop doing light attack.
Cripple does not reflect nor does force pulse this for the MagBlade.
Pls don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about cripple gets reflected
Force pulse doesn't cool, kill someone with just flame lash spam let's see how does that work out will you
Play magblade myself sometimes in BG never noticed cripple being reflected but oke. My approach is to target other members of the team and once the dk is in offense wings up time will not be, stun and get him.
StamDK wings up time is very expensive if they can keep this up all of the time then they most have sufferred there offense by a lot. This skill is very similiar to cloak and shields. They are effective however it can be counterred many builds in this game and many situations. If you dedicted yourself to only 1 approach accept you will always find your impossible to beat appontent in this game
Cool, but no other skill in game negates entire playstyle)))
CLOAK
APE
DONKEY
come duel pts pls
That didn't take long you got REKT, shall we go for another round?
How can you duel if the PTS is down??0 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭Lol, I am on Xbox EU as you can see in my signature cannot join you, wanted to troll but failed
Xbox EU & NA - PVP Only0 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭But lets face it, DK wings are very good in some situations. Shield of sorc is always good against any type of damage and Cloak always mitigates everything but same as shields can be broken.
Leave the wings aloneXbox EU & NA - PVP Only2 -
biggda76✭✭✭I know your platform so that's why PTS - so its not an issue
Yes I hate cloak being either useless or op but then literally all classes can counter regardless. And then wings. If i count to 6 why doesnt dk count to 6? despite do you want to 1 shot a heavy stamdk after taking his wings off? Imagine you have 3s where sorc doesnt do anything but has shield up - will you kill him in that period of time? Highly doubt it. You can't expect mNB to do that when it comes to wings0 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭I feel for the magblade too. Started with PVP on that class and worked really well. Then the wings became more used and this sucked yes. But the real killer for myself as magblade are the heavy armor aoe builds that are everywhere now.
I tried my magblade again this weekend and I was very good against anything that wasn't the aoe heavy armor build. Wings make the DK very enjoyable to play same as I like the magblade with Cloak.
I think there are far more game breaking things in this game like extreem weapon damage heavy armor sets and sorc teams with so many pets you can hit them at all making wings a joke.Xbox EU & NA - PVP Only0 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Another nerf DK wings post? Read the many other posts about how to counter wings and adapt.
Ok, please explain counter:
I am on Magicka Range NB, Sorcerer, Templar so what are counters while DK running with Relic or Chaos Ball?
My lighting attack, most of range skills (causing snares/stun etc.) are reflecting while DK spamming wings.
Please do not tell to slot Melee Skills or stop doing light attack.
Cripple does not reflect nor does force pulse this for the MagBlade.
Pls don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about cripple gets reflected
Force pulse doesn't cool, kill someone with just flame lash spam let's see how does that work out will you
Play magblade myself sometimes in BG never noticed cripple being reflected but oke. My approach is to target other members of the team and once the dk is in offense wings up time will not be, stun and get him.
StamDK wings up time is very expensive if they can keep this up all of the time then they most have sufferred there offense by a lot. This skill is very similiar to cloak and shields. They are effective however it can be counterred many builds in this game and many situations. If you dedicted yourself to only 1 approach accept you will always find your impossible to beat appontent in this game
Cool, but no other skill in game negates entire playstyle)))
Honestly there are plenty that due. The point here is you all think Wings is permanently active and can be spammed. By that logic several other defensive skills can be considered OP or negating entire playstyles.
Another thing... theoretically, how often can you reflect things? Let's say we have two characters. A is a DK with wings, B has a reflect as well. B launches a projectile at A, A reflects. Then B activates reflect and reflects it again. A reflects, B reflects... is this working?PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
biggda76✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Another nerf DK wings post? Read the many other posts about how to counter wings and adapt.
Ok, please explain counter:
I am on Magicka Range NB, Sorcerer, Templar so what are counters while DK running with Relic or Chaos Ball?
My lighting attack, most of range skills (causing snares/stun etc.) are reflecting while DK spamming wings.
Please do not tell to slot Melee Skills or stop doing light attack.
Cripple does not reflect nor does force pulse this for the MagBlade.
Pls don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about cripple gets reflected
Force pulse doesn't cool, kill someone with just flame lash spam let's see how does that work out will you
Play magblade myself sometimes in BG never noticed cripple being reflected but oke. My approach is to target other members of the team and once the dk is in offense wings up time will not be, stun and get him.
StamDK wings up time is very expensive if they can keep this up all of the time then they most have sufferred there offense by a lot. This skill is very similiar to cloak and shields. They are effective however it can be counterred many builds in this game and many situations. If you dedicted yourself to only 1 approach accept you will always find your impossible to beat appontent in this game
Cool, but no other skill in game negates entire playstyle)))
Honestly there are plenty that due. The point here is you all think Wings is permanently active and can be spammed. By that logic several other defensive skills can be considered OP or negating entire playstyles.
Another thing... theoretically, how often can you reflect things? Let's say we have two characters. A is a DK with wings, B has a reflect as well. B launches a projectile at A, A reflects. Then B activates reflect and reflects it again. A reflects, B reflects... is this working?
None that are such a heavy counter. On top of that you can activate it every couple seconds while throwing that extra whip or 2 between each wing - if I attack person like that I can't really see how is that equal to sorc spamming shield. At least it doesn't move my HP bar0 -
DK has no pets
DK has no execute
Yet somehow you think DK is OP in BGs
Get outta here1 -
InvictusApollo✭✭✭✭✭
✭
Cool, but no other skill in game negates entire playstyle)))
Hardened Ward negates bleed builds.
Cloak negates snipers.
Vampires Mist Form negates cc chaining.
Crystallized Shield negates ranged magicka builds.
Resto ult and Barrier negate high burst combo fram stamina builds that have low stamina recovery.
Extended Ritual and Purge negate magsorcs combo by removing curse.
Should I continue?
4 -
sage2000✭✭✭OP is the same guy that thinks shieldbreaker is awesome and needs no changes in the current state of the game. Every post he makes regarding game balance has L2P issues behind it.2 -
pinghuu✭Ah magblade or not every class has access to force pulse which can't be reflected any longer .2 -
biggda76✭✭✭InvictusApollo wrote: »
Cool, but no other skill in game negates entire playstyle)))
Hardened Ward negates bleed builds.
Cloak negates snipers.
Vampires Mist Form negates cc chaining.
Crystallized Shield negates ranged magicka builds.
Resto ult and Barrier negate high burst combo fram stamina builds that have low stamina recovery.
Extended Ritual and Purge negate magsorcs combo by removing curse.
Should I continue?
Shield doesn't negate anything about bleeds, you put dot pressure just like on other people
I genuinely hate cloak but it still has more counters. Every class has access to something to reveal people and it's very often slotted already for other purpose. And if not, even detect pots. It's a fair counter you can't see with wings
Vamp mist negates cc chaining? Are you actually comparing entire skillbar to a one skill? I can't even express how stupid that one is
Shimmering does block range damage and give you ult regen but you don't see people cry about that - guess why, you're not killing yourself doing so and it absorbs half of projectiles wings reflect
Wow I would never expect a defensive ult to be defensive, I play with 1k Stam recovery and I can't see any issue there
Ritual prevents one skill from magsorc burst. How is that entire playstyle?
Don't forget none of things you mentioned punishes you for trying to cope with a skill
sHoULd I cOnTiNuE?Edited by biggda76 on January 29, 2019 7:25AM0 -
Nerftheforums✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gosh wings have been a thing for 5 years and you still didn't learn how to counter them? Boi you should pvp more!
Quick hint. Maybe you can get to the solution by yourself: wings cost 4k+ mag, your light attacks are free and your buffs costs less that 4k. Let's see if you can get to the solution by yourself.2 -
KurtAngle2✭✭✭✭Wings are completely unbalanced and need some hefty nerf done to it. You can't simply have a single skill that completely rekts any single Projectile based build for 3k magicka. It's ridiculously overloaded just right Steel Tornado0
-
Betty_Booms✭✭✭I still laugh at all these DKs defending wings. Add fossilise and the health and resource returns in the skills. Not only do they hard counter the majority of your skills and reflect them in your face, they out resource you and force you to use both a break free and a dodge to counter 1 skill...
Oh and if you read the other posts they will tell you daedric mines or some other bs will work.....until they leap you or chain you etc etc...wish people would stop saying l2p on a class that is completely overtuned versus ranged.
And yes if you cant get the dk in melee range say good by to the relic....wings should be blanked out just like streak....0 -
biggda76✭✭✭Nerftheforums wrote: »Gosh wings have been a thing for 5 years and you still didn't learn how to counter them? Boi you should pvp more!
Quick hint. Maybe you can get to the solution by yourself: wings cost 4k+ mag, your light attacks are free and your buffs costs less that 4k. Let's see if you can get to the solution by yourself.
You mean just light attack and keep hots/shield up for more than 4k mag when the DK is just parsing on light attacking target just to reapply wings soon again?
I can't comprehend how someone like this says L2P. If you'd like I'm always up to see how you would do on broken op meta mNB vs me with wings, maybe that would shed some light for you1
