Hey Magblades! How's Murkmire for you?

ScruffyWhiskers · January 2019

Jeezye wrote: »

which decent magblade even spamms cloak ...

The kind that likes to live when an angry mob is chasing them.

Datthaw · January 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Meh, you guys were deluded if you thought Argonians would stay a good magblade race. Nothing in the lore points to them being good for the magblade style, they’re a one trick pony with that potion passive.

High elves on the other hand look perfect for magblades now.

Actually. In lore, argonians are the best assassins, they are raised from birth to be assassins. So you're kinda wrong. And tbh the buffed healing and extra hp is what I liked, good synnergy with swallow soul weave (now nerfed but w/e) so...
Yeah

brandonv516 · January 2019

Datthaw wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Meh, you guys were deluded if you thought Argonians would stay a good magblade race. Nothing in the lore points to them being good for the magblade style, they’re a one trick pony with that potion passive.

High elves on the other hand look perfect for magblades now.

Actually. In lore, argonians are the best assassins, they are raised from birth to be assassins. So you're kinda wrong. And tbh the buffed healing and extra hp is what I liked, good synnergy with swallow soul weave (now nerfed but w/e) so...
Yeah

The healing received from the Argonian passive helped some with the nerf to Swallow Soul losing Minor Vitality. Now we lose that too.

It's going to be painful for Argonian Magblade.

Datthaw · January 2019

brandonv516 wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Meh, you guys were deluded if you thought Argonians would stay a good magblade race. Nothing in the lore points to them being good for the magblade style, they’re a one trick pony with that potion passive.

High elves on the other hand look perfect for magblades now.

Actually. In lore, argonians are the best assassins, they are raised from birth to be assassins. So you're kinda wrong. And tbh the buffed healing and extra hp is what I liked, good synnergy with swallow soul weave (now nerfed but w/e) so...
Yeah

The healing received from the Argonian passive helped some with the nerf to Swallow Soul losing Minor Vitality. Now we lose that too.

It's going to be painful for Argonian Magblade.

Yeah but I'll stick it out. It's just funny that guy trying to say argonian assassin is not lore appropriate. Someone doesn't know about the shadowscales

Iskiab · January 2019

Sure, argonians as per the lore are the best tanks, healers and dps. Go smoke another one.

I don’t think magblades are too bad really thinking about it. The problem is there are hard OP counters to the play style that are easy to run and lots of people play. The DK charge that stuns along with their burst and Templar puncturing sweeps come to mind. They’re really powerful and make kiting impossible/really difficult for next to no cost on their end.

brandonv516 · January 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Sure, argonians as per the lore are the best tanks, healers and dps. Go smoke another one.

I don’t think magblades are too bad really thinking about it. The problem is there are hard OP counters to the play style that are easy to run and lots of people play. The DK charge that stuns along with their burst and Templar puncturing sweeps come to mind. They’re really powerful and make kiting impossible/really difficult for next to no cost on their end.

Damage Magblades are in a really bad spot right now. Healing Magblades are okay.

Datthaw · January 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Sure, argonians as per the lore are the best tanks, healers and dps. Go smoke another one.

I don’t think magblades are too bad really thinking about it. The problem is there are hard OP counters to the play style that are easy to run and lots of people play. The DK charge that stuns along with their burst and Templar puncturing sweeps come to mind. They’re really powerful and make kiting impossible/really difficult for next to no cost on their end.

I never said best tank or healer. You're putting words in my mouth. You said "Nothing in the lore points to them being good for the magblade style" and I'm trying to tell you that if you want to be "lore friendly" then youre completely wrong. The "lore" is that the assassins guild raises argonians from thier egg and up. They are called Shadowscales. They are the best assassins in all of tamriel.

So explain to me how an argonian playing the "stealthy assassin" class lore breaking...

HowlKimchi · January 2019

Calboy wrote: »

merciless resolve is the most clunky and terribly designed skill in the game.

(heavy armor, no merciless)

That's the thing with magblades. To kill a player who knows what he's doing, you have to go for the biggest burst you can. For me, it's proccing the infused spell damage glyph on my resto bar, then going for the soul harvest + merciless resolve combo. anything less than that wont be enough to kill your target (at least for my builds, especially the heavy armor ones).

As for my race, i've always been a dunmer... I'm kinda bummed that my 7% increased damage to my fire staff light and heavy attacks are now gone but I dunno if i'll race change. Immunity to burning is always nice, and i sustain well enough with my setup. Bretons, Khajit, and Altmer are looking mighty fine though.

Iskiab · January 2019

Datthaw wrote: »

I never said best tank or healer. You're putting words in my mouth.

Sorry, I'm not trying to single anyone out. It's just that when I read a bunch of threads for pvp and pve saying argonians make a great class for every playstyle I chose not to play an argonian on purpose. I don't know the lore much, but when I read argonians had a passive ability that made them a great race to play for any role I didn't choose that race on purpose. I expected it to change, I also expected people to complain about the change but don't hold much sympathy for them. A race just can't be the best tanks, dps and healers... it just can't. People should have expected a change and take it in stride.

Datthaw · January 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

I never said best tank or healer. You're putting words in my mouth.

Sorry, I'm not trying to single anyone out. It's just that when I read a bunch of threads for pvp and pve saying argonians make a great class for every playstyle I chose not to play an argonian on purpose. I don't know the lore much, but when I read argonians had a passive ability that made them a great race to play for any role I didn't choose that race on purpose. I expected it to change, I also expected people to complain about the change but don't hold much sympathy for them. A race just can't be the best tanks, dps and healers... it just can't. People should have expected a change and take it in stride.

It's all good dude. I took argonian before all the cool kids did. My lore for them being assassins goes back to oblivion (longer for others I'm sure) but in the single player rpgs shadowscales were the top of the rpg assadsins.

In the terms of argonian magnb. I found f a build I feel comfortable in. I will do more testing anyat be share

brandonv516 · January 2019

So I started slotting Impale, something I've never done because it felt so clunky.

I'm having a lot of success with it in high MMR BGs. It's no Endless Fury but I can appreciate the ability to actually finish enemies.

I would really love to see it non-reflectable. It is currently the only execute that can be reflected.

brandonv516 · January 2019

Looking at the PTS patch notes. Love what I see for Nightblades...oh wait no real changes/fixes. Yes I know there are more upcoming weeks with expanded notes but my faith is about a 3/10.

-Shadow Image overall unreliability
-Assassins Will icon going away randomly when switching bars

Aside from many suggestions, these two things should have been looked at.

Nightblade
Assassination
Mark Target: Updated the Death Recap hint for this ability to more accurately describe its functionality.

This one was real important though so thanks for that.

Iskiab · January 2019

I asked for the removal of requiring a destruction staff ability to get some of the destruction staff passives, I’m happy about that one. It’ll help a lot, more than you’d think because it will help slotting impale on your front bar.

Impale is required to kill steal in death matches. It sounds cheesy, but don’t hate the player hate the game, it’s really effective.

brandonv516 · January 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

I asked for the removal of requiring a destruction staff ability to get some of the destruction staff passives, I’m happy about that one. It’ll help a lot, more than you’d think because it will help slotting impale on your front bar.

Impale is required to kill steal in death matches. It sounds cheesy, but don’t hate the player hate the game, it’s really effective.

You're not wrong. I started slotting it in the past week in place of Elemental Drain. Turns out you don't need as much sustain when you can simply finish them.

HowlKimchi · January 2019

Yeah I'll probably slot impale instead of ele drain now on my high damage builds.

The new set that removes 2 negative effects every 2 seconds seems very good as a backbar set for my more brawly builds too.

NightAngel690 · January 2019

Datthaw wrote: »

NightAngel690 wrote: »

Jeezye wrote: »

How come only dw and 2h are mentioned when talking about melee nightblade? I myself have always run S/B for various reasons:

- more flat resistances and only small cut in spelldamage
- extra armor glyph (health for dark cloak, magicka for harness)
- cheap bash cancels for extra damage
- highly needed damage reduction through blocking when pressured
- i like being tanky *cough .. old saptank .. cough*

also leeching strikes helps a lot with stamina management

Not to mention the fact that you have access to the poor man’s reflective scales. *cough cough* please buff! *cough cough*

Snb might actually be good front bar on healer. I need to testy, my Feely feels are tingling.

It’s not as good as a tankplar but it’s fun. Throw up the reflect and then just run into a group and sap away! *sap sap sap* I do bgs
With my snb nb healer...it’s fun. I mostly use the resto skills but I’ll throw out a malevolent offering every so often just for that extra heal bonus.
Seducer is a good set to use for non cp....that or alteration Mastery...your recovery is crap w/o it

Irylia · January 2019

Need shade fixed on the y axis

VikingBerserker · January 2019

Still wrecking

Solariken wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Stam warden - you wut bro? Have some beetles with dawnbreaker & steel potato; you died so fast I don’t even remember you.

Lol the whole post had some truth to it but this one is especially funny (because it's true).

Literally what I think in said situation.

SpiderCultist · January 2019

some legendary forum nightblades quit after ner..murkmire

that sums up the situation

JusticeSouldier · January 2019

there are some things i don't enjoy at magblade:
1. to be ready for snare and roots spammers u should or slot 2hander (and loose in that extremly high amount of damage), or be a vampire and use mist form. Both options force u to very limited or annoying playstyle.
Openworld pvp is painfull because of that. And, battlegrounds also, because permarootting and snaring frost aoes everywhere are a current standart with "Permafrost" on top of that.
2. reflectable Swallow Soul. concept of this skill conflicts with concept of force pulce, which is not reflectable...
swallow soul animation = u steal something from enemy with doing damage with that. if it reflected...how it looks? it's about concept. Force Pulse = direct instant projectile from u to target, "beam" explaining isn't enouch good explaning why. Not a good way.
Nightblade's bar space, sources of healing...general squishyness. here is something wrong with that.
3. and reflectable Merciless resolve and siphoning attacks are tied to reflectable light attacks...it's fine, but if everything u can do is useless against dk with scales. including also crippling grasp, impale...it's not fine...there should be exceptions...
4. Magblade tied to healing staff backbar. even in heavy, without shields (which are nothing against today's burst), u need it to have mutagen for example, or weak burst heal from Blessing of Protection if u want to save invisibility option for some mitigate situation. not much choice
5. Detection potions. You cannot see when someone used it. Anything tells u, that u're visible now. No detection aura around people, no warnings...bad design. it should be visible. with opened eye above head of user. With borders.
6. Mark...u become visible for N seconds for everyone...but why for everyone instead of only for this skill user? He can reveal u after with damage in such case, or not... Fair...current one is ridiculous in such form. 20 or 5 seconds...it's just bad mechanics and need to be changed.

7. Think this list can me longer but can't remember at this moment what else.
If to say with few words...permanent snares, broken detection system and reflectable everything steals enjoy of pvp on magblade.

CavalryPK · January 2019

NyassaV wrote: »

In PvP it went from my favorite class to donkey doo doo ever since summerset and went from a little annoying to "wow this is terrible"

I really don't care about PvE all that much but I seem to remember saying they weren't going to touch magblades anyone and just buff everyone else but they nerfed magblades anyways to the point that in PvP they are just... Literally the only way I can describe it is: they do damage. That's it. mDK has better self healing than a MagBlade

Can I get an Amen to this post?

Jeezye · January 2019

CavalryPK wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

In PvP it went from my favorite class to donkey doo doo ever since summerset and went from a little annoying to "wow this is terrible"

I really don't care about PvE all that much but I seem to remember saying they weren't going to touch magblades anyone and just buff everyone else but they nerfed magblades anyways to the point that in PvP they are just... Literally the only way I can describe it is: they do damage. That's it. mDK has better self healing than a MagBlade

Can I get an Amen to this post?

Imo they don't even do damage, since the whole toolkit is easily avoidable by dodges, reflects, absorbs and on top of that is also highly telegraphed. If I at least could do reliable damage I'd be fine, but I struggle more to actually apply pressure than to stay alive

Iskiab · January 2019

There’s always crushing shock and asylum/black rose prison weapons. Just don’t go head to head with a class like Templar, they’ll one button puncturing sweeps you to death.

Definitely a class nerf for the sake of pve where it crushed the pvp class.

Self healing on magblade needs a rework. Funnel health/swallow soul has become a skill no one uses, refreshing path is OP on a stack but too small to be effective in pvp. Refreshing path is poor class design, swallow soul would be good with less reflections. Worst part is it was just reworked and this is what the came up with!

Jeezye · January 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

There’s always crushing shock and asylum/black rose prison weapons. Just don’t go head to head with a class like Templar, they’ll one button puncturing sweeps you to death.

Definitely a class nerf for the sake of pve where it crushed the pvp class.

Self healing on magblade needs a rework. Funnel health/swallow soul has become a skill no one uses, refreshing path is OP on a stack but too small to be effective in pvp. Refreshing path is poor class design, swallow soul would be good with less reflections. Worst part is it was just reworked and this is what the came up with!

not to mention sap

my formerly favourite skill, expensive af, low damage, horrible self healing. wtb inhale - ohh wait ... why not just play dk anyways

Iskiab · January 2019

Come to think of it I’d rather they halved the healing of refreshing path and made the size bigger, like 10x bigger, then added some damage back.

Of wait, that’s called ritual of retribution and also cleanses! Maybe if they can’t think of anything else just do that, copy ritual of retribution and take away the purge. I’d actually be happy with that change. Movement speed doesn’t matter, you get about 1 second of major expedition if you use it running in a straight line because the area is so small

Datthaw · January 2019

Path should give friggin snare removal

VikingBerserker · January 2019

Crushing folks in bgs so im good.

Jeezye · January 2019

Datthaw wrote: »

Path should give friggin snare removal

I actually always thought that mirage would be the goto skill to add snare removal, similar to dk wings. now that im thinking about it I actually think path is an amazing idea, giving a area based snare removal, mobility and healing. PLUS its more available for magblade, hence stamblades are not overbuffed. never gonna happen though

Chubarov_S · January 2019

Payne, I can't feel my burst.

Akinos · January 2019

Murkmire has been great for me and my magblade, been playing it more this update then I have in any others. And doing better with it, magnb is still my worst class though lol. But i'm getting there. I don't have alot of the issues people are saying they have with their magblade. Maybe it's a playstyle thing...I don't depend on shadow image or being able to stealth away from things and I run out of the box non meta builds as I do with all my characters. The day I stopped playing with those 2 skills was the day I started having way more fun as magblade, and started doing much better with it also. I play my magblade like I play my templar and dk, up close and personal.