Stuck at 32k dps, lightweaving issues Stam DK

Mariusghost84 · January 2019

I main a stam DK. I have spent a lot of time working on my build and rotation, startig at around 8k dps and working towards getting better. 2 years later i am now at 32k on a dummy. After a lot of farming i managed to get a hold of Relequen (body) and berserking warrior (jewelry and weapons) with maelstrom bow. I thought this automatically would take me to at least 35k dps , switching from Vicious Ophidian and Hundings/Briarthorn. I was however wrong. My dps went up 1k after switching.

I checked the logs, and im noticing my relequen is doing a LOT less damage than in videos I seen on youtube ( around 6% ). My light attacks to ( they do 4% overall dmg ) . Its clear I have issues with lightattack weaving, I THINK im getting in 1 light attack between each ability but if that’s the case how is my damage this low?
As soon as I find out how to record and upload video to youtube I plan on sharing a vid of a parse.
What % of dmg should come from light attacks? From my understanding its 10%? Likewise from Relequen, ive heard it should be around 15%?

John_Falstaff · January 2019

Around 10% sounds more or less right. With vMA bow, Hail is first place on my parse, with Relequen not far behind. If you're concerned with weaving, then first thing I would advise is to, first, track the count of your LAs on combat metrics report (that'll give you the number of LAs per second, 1 is probably not achievable but 0.9 is a good goal to strive for). On the same report, you can see uptime of your Relequen stacks (and everything else), also handy. Second add-on is Attack Helper, self-explanatory - it counts your LAs between bar swaps and LA rate.

Mariusghost84 · January 2019

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Around 10% sounds more or less right. With vMA bow, Hail is first place on my parse, with Relequen not far behind. If you're concerned with weaving, then first thing I would advise is to, first, track the count of your LAs on combat metrics report (that'll give you the number of LAs per second, 1 is probably not achievable but 0.9 is a good goal to strive for). On the same report, you can see uptime of your Relequen stacks (and everything else), also handy. Second add-on is Attack Helper, self-explanatory - it counts your LAs between bar swaps and LA rate.

On my best tries i get 0,4 light attacks pr second according to light attack helper. Getting to 0,9 is basically twice as many, which would be about right with my 4% total damage from LA. I just dont see how i can get there right now, i must REALLY suck at timing i guess?

sudaki_eso · January 2019

What skills are you using? Blue CP contribution? Are you using weapon potions?

I main a stamDK too and without the vma bow i am at 42.5k dps - using still the old HA rotation - i am lazy and on a ps4

Got the same gear as you do so it must be the rotation or skills you are using. HA rotation, at least on the consoles, is very easy just keep pressing R2 and hit the skills while doing so, makes animation cancelling very easy. So i do mostly heavys on the frontbar and light attacks on the backbar. My advice would be to try to see how much dps you get with a ha rotation. Same as you i tired a la rotation but noticed in my case that a lot of times the la wont come though so i lost quite a bit of dps. Thats why i went back to a mostly ha rotation.

I will pm you a video of an older dps video.

Mariusghost84 · January 2019

sudaki_eso wrote: »

What skills are you using? Blue CP contribution? Are you using weapon potions?

I main a stamDK too and without the vma bow i am at 42.5k dps - using still the old HA rotation - i am lazy and on a ps4

Got the same gear as you do so it must be the rotation or skills you are using. HA rotation, at least on the consoles, is very easy just keep pressing R2 and hit the skills while doing so, makes animation cancelling very easy. So i do mostly heavys on the frontbar and light attacks on the backbar. My advice would be to try to see how much dps you get with a ha rotation. Same as you i tired a la rotation but noticed in my case that a lot of times the la wont come though so i lost quite a bit of dps. Thats why i went back to a mostly ha rotation.
I will pm you a video of an older dps video.

This is basically my build. i get nearly identical dps with relequen/warrior. Using power pots on cooldown and max stam/health food. I havent tried HA rotation for a while, as i thought that wasnt a thing anymore - i will check it out later though! A link to your video would be very helpful

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=108232

John_Falstaff · January 2019

@Mariusghost84 , not necessarily that. ^^ You can see low rate of light attacks for various reasons, and you're already getting significant damage, so I think you have decent rotation and consistently use skills themselves by now.

Are you weaving well but making unnecessarily big pauses between skills? It may affect the LA rate if you're making pauses much longer than one second from skill to skill.
Are you too hasty with casting new skill? Trying to cast skill before cooldown window have expired may result in your prior LA not firing.
Are you trying to do LAs at equal time intervals between skills? After skill cast, you have ~0.75s or so until LA can be done, and about 1s (most say slightly less) until a skill cast can be made. If you're trying to do LA in the middle between skills, your LA may not fire at all. I find it the easiest to do a 'double-tap' - LA+skill - with 1s intervals, LA animation will get interrupted no matter how close it is to the skill (that's the point - making skill piggyback on LA). So, double-tap - 1s - double-tap - 1s.

I'll also put here an example rotation (I main stamDK too), sure there are better rotations (and better players), but it yields me ~49k self-buffed with same setup as you have:

Prebuff with Flames of Oblivion -> Reaming Trap -> (bar swap)
Endless Hail (important to have it first on back bar, else vMA bow may not work) -> LA + Poison Injection -> LA + Caltrops -> (bar swap) -> (3)
LA + Rending Slashes -> LA + Flames of Oblivion -> LA + Noxious -> LA + Venomous Claw (x4, or x3 if you used ultimate) -> LA + Rearming Trap -> LA -> (bar swap) -> (2)

Drop standard after first rotation (can do it just before swapping back to front) and then use Dawnbreaker as soon as ready, and then use one fewer Claw cast. Whole rotation is 11 skills long (results in 12s long, because of long Hail windup time), it best be 12s - longer, and you have downtime on Hail, shorter, and you overcast it, losing most damaging ticks. Noxious is needed on self-buffed parse for Fracture, but you can swap it out for something else outside of parsing - like Cloak (I just keep it for extra AoE fracture in trash fights).

sudaki_eso · January 2019

@Mariusghost84 , i pm'd you the link to an older video. I might try johns rotation at the weekend, never tried spmming vc. 49k self buffed is pretty good in my book for a stamDK.

Mariusghost84 · January 2019

sudaki_eso wrote: »

What skills are you using? Blue CP contribution? Are you using weapon potions?

I main a stamDK too and without the vma bow i am at 42.5k dps - using still the old HA rotation - i am lazy and on a ps4

Got the same gear as you do so it must be the rotation or skills you are using. HA rotation, at least on the consoles, is very easy just keep pressing R2 and hit the skills while doing so, makes animation cancelling very easy. So i do mostly heavys on the frontbar and light attacks on the backbar. My advice would be to try to see how much dps you get with a ha rotation. Same as you i tired a la rotation but noticed in my case that a lot of times the la wont come though so i lost quite a bit of dps. Thats why i went back to a mostly ha rotation.
I will pm you a video of an older dps video.

Could you write up your setup please? I would love to test out your rotation. Than you so much for the input bro! You are helping me reach my goals!

John_Falstaff · January 2019

@sudaki_eso , that's not without some cheese, but generally yes; also, it's axe + dagger (on solo parses, pulls slightly ahead of dagger + dagger for me, though I carry double daggers when I know I'll have warhorn). Also, Claw as a spammable is a godsend (all credit to @Masel for the discovery) with its 700 stamina cost, makes sustaining stamDK light attack rotation with blue food so much easier.

Mariusghost84 · January 2019

sudaki_eso wrote: »

@Mariusghost84 , i pm'd you the link to an older video. I might try johns rotation at the weekend, never tried spmming vc. 49k self buffed is pretty good in my book for a stamDK.

Awsome. Is this you btw?

Masel · January 2019

https://youtu.be/0R5MxrLYCtY

Buildguide for the claw spammer.

sudaki_eso · January 2019

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

sudaki_eso wrote: »

@Mariusghost84 , i pm'd you the link to an older video. I might try johns rotation at the weekend, never tried spmming vc. 49k self buffed is pretty good in my book for a stamDK.

Awsome. Is this you btw?

yup thats me. I show my gear and cps at the end of the video.
my gear: relquen, advancing yokeder (also a dagger and an axe) + selene
cps: 56 Mighty, 61 Thaumaturge, 61 Precise Strikes, 34 Piercing, 32 Master-at-Arms, 25 Physical Weapon Expert

i adjusted those quite a bit in the last couple of month, i will post my recent setup when i get home.
well i got nothing to hide and its nothing special so here is the rotation and setup from last october:

https://youtu.be/gRXlSCNoUvg

And thanks @John_Falstaff and @Masel for the tips and guides, will definetly take a look at it. *thumbs up*

Wuuffyy · January 2019

Dude. I'm running VO on the body and jewels and Hundings on the front w/ veli. I'm pulling 37-40k. At least before enchant nerfs.

Mariusghost84 · January 2019

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Dude. I'm running VO on the body and jewels and Hundings on the front w/ veli. I'm pulling 37-40k. At least before enchant nerfs.

I know dude. thats why im here.

exeeter702 · January 2019

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Dude. I'm running VO on the body and jewels and Hundings on the front w/ veli. I'm pulling 37-40k. At least before enchant nerfs.

Way to go champ....

CyberSkooma · January 2019

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Dude. I'm running VO on the body and jewels and Hundings on the front w/ veli. I'm pulling 37-40k. At least before enchant nerfs.

Good for you, very nice brag. This isn't helpful for him at all.