1.3% completion rate (PS4) of Summerset is Proof of ESO's weakness

MartiniDaniels · January 2019

no

I tell you one thing - after thousands of hours in Skyrim, re-installing it 10 times and upgrading my PC twice just to run top-notch mods.. i didn't complete main campaign once. I know about Paarturnax only as a card in TES legends and from mod "Paarturnax dilemma".
So for such games completion of main quest means absolutely nothing.

Joy_Division · January 2019

no

I have played ESO more nights than not the past four years and I haven't completed all the storyline.

VaranisArano · January 2019

Danksta wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

That's 1.3% of what exactly? Players who own Summerset? Players who own ESO?

Without context, its all "Lies, damned lies, and statistics."

1.3% of people who own ESO on PS4.

So, a much better comparison would be to the percentage of current players. Or of people who visited vs completed Summerset.

Otherwise, the data gets so skewed by people who bought and left the game before Summerset existed that its impossible to draw conclusions.about the current health of the game.

Ruckly · January 2019

I got Murkmire for free and haven't touched it. ESO quest areas lack 4 man group mini-instances like they have in SWTOR. That was SWTOR's strong point, probably its only strong point. Without the MMO interaction it is mundane single player questing. And ESO caps at level 50 so you aren't getting new gear or anything for doing this besides CP levels. You gain nothing to overcome the next part of the quest line. If there was more MMO interaction and mobs that counter certain this and certain that it might be worth doing. The quest line isn't something you overcome. It is something you simply do.

Danksta · January 2019

no

VaranisArano wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

That's 1.3% of what exactly? Players who own Summerset? Players who own ESO?

Without context, its all "Lies, damned lies, and statistics."

1.3% of people who own ESO on PS4.

So, a much better comparison would be to the percentage of current players. Or of people who visited vs completed Summerset.

Otherwise, the data gets so skewed by people who bought and left the game before Summerset existed that its impossible to draw conclusions.about the current health of the game.

Yes, but these are Playstation achievements. That would be a lot of work for them to do for every game. It's just best to not take these completion percentages too seriously.

Amphithoe · January 2019

no

RusevCrush · January 2019

Can't stand questing. I play daily and never plan to finish this.

zaria · January 2019

no

Danksta wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

That's 1.3% of what exactly? Players who own Summerset? Players who own ESO?

Without context, its all "Lies, damned lies, and statistics."

1.3% of people who own ESO on PS4.

Ok so you have hordes of casuals who are not done with content leading up to it.

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I tell you one thing - after thousands of hours in Skyrim, re-installing it 10 times and upgrading my PC twice just to run top-notch mods.. i didn't complete main campaign once. I know about Paarturnax only as a card in TES legends and from mod "Paarturnax dilemma".
So for such games completion of main quest means absolutely nothing.

I done the Skyrim quests multiple times still miss stuff because of steam.

Edaphon · January 2019

no

Most players quit before ever reaching level 10.
Add to that the poor performance on consoles and it's not really surprising that so few people complete the story.

Urvoth · January 2019

no

Not at all. Many of the players I know that play every day still haven't done it yet.

SirAndy · January 2019

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

How many people have gotten the achievement for traveling to summerset?

This is the correct answer. In order to do any sort of educated correlation, we need to know the baseline to compare that 1.3% number against.

Sylvermynx · January 2019

no

I haven't completed any quest lines - because my ping is so high I can't reliably land attacks or bar swap etc.... and there's a LOT of fast attacking enemies in this game. So I just putz along exploring.... and crafting, and starting to mess with housing a little.

Oh - I play around 8 or 9 hours a day, just about every day.

CompM4s · January 2019

no

There is so much content to do that usually takes me awhile before I complete new chapters.

Teeba_Shei · January 2019

I play on PC and I haven't done the summerset story yet either. I haven't even completed the morrowind story yet. I play almost everyday.

Kiralyn2000 · January 2019

Random questions about ESO on PS4...

Can you create multiple "accounts" on a PS4 via different user profiles, or is it one account per physical console? And if yes, is there a reason to do so? (like, extra trade guild slots, or mules, or...)

And could a single physical disc create multiple accounts on multiple machines via being traded & resold, or does the disc have a serial # attached to it?

(i.e, there seem to be a bunch of ways that there might be a bunch more PS4 "players" and many of them not completing storylines)

edit: oooh, and does the PS4 version have those "free trial week" events that we have on PC? And if so, would all those trial accounts that never get played again count for that 1.3% statistic?

ArchMikem · January 2019

no

Just because people don't Quest doesn't mean they don't play.

Grimm13 · January 2019

SirAndy wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

How many people have gotten the achievement for traveling to summerset?

This is the correct answer. In order to do any sort of educated correlation, we need to know the baseline to compare that 1.3% number against.

Does this go by owners as each account made for summerset and on PS4 you can may what 10 accounts?

Or does this only count as one person no matter how many accounts you create? I would assume that it would be the former as they each can earn trophies.

Also how does it handle for each character for an account? They too each earn the trophy.

This really has a lot of room for misleading and skewed information.

Ratzkifal · January 2019

no

It could also be interpreted as evidence that PS4 is failing or a weak platform that can't support a playerbase.
As this example illustrates, a conclusion like that is far-fetched if it's based on only one achievement.

PardusMelas · January 2019

yes

it is because of questing giving very low exp and nobody questing except new players. Only who like to follow all the story doing most of quests.

lagrue · January 2019

no

Considering on Playstation only 10% of people killed Molag Bal... it's really not surprising.

It's not that ESO is weak, it's a multitude of factors. It's the fact that alot of people from the main series came over and expected a main series game, those who didn't get that disappeared rather quick. I have alot of ultra-casual friends who to this day haven't even breached level 50, and they were day 1 players. So there's quite a few things going on. I would also say the near impossibility of platinuming this game is also a problem. It's the fact the game is 100s of hours and most people aren't able to dedicate that kind of time to an MMO.

Emperor! trophy's existence is also a huge agitating factor. The vast majority of playstation trophy hunters stop playing when the realize how stupidly unrealistic this is to platinum. I wouldn't really put that down to ESO Though, more or less poor player attitude. I'm a trophy hunter myself but stuck around regardless, but I know countless players who left when they realized they wouldn't get a platinum easily.

Keep in mind that when playstation tallies that % it's also including non-summerset owners. For some reason it doesn't look at DLC population individually away from the main game, it's looking at every ESO owner ever and checking against that. So by default that % is already skewed negatively because it collects the % in an improper way.

Davor · January 2019

no

generalmyrick wrote: »

I just completed Summerset and noticed that only 1.3% have received the trophy for finishing the Summerset main story!

Iif you just completed it, Summerset, so why couldn't other being doing the same as you and doing what ever else and not finish Summerset?

Is this proof that ESO is in a weak spot or failing? discuss! I'm really interested in the opinions.

No it's not proof. All it shows is most people didn't finish it. I haven't finished it yet. I haven't completed ESO yet. I only finished Morrowind a few weeks ago. What does it mean? I get distracted a lot in ESO and I take my time playing on and off.

As I said, I finished Morrowind on PC but not on Xbox. While I might be taking long breaks and play ESO slowly it doesn't mean anything.

Isn't there an achievement for getting to Summerset or exiting the tutorial? So how many people got that? That achievement might mean more than completeing it. At least it will say how many people started Summerset.

Cryptical · January 2019

I lost my motivation.

You can enter clavicus vile's domain grouped. I mistakenly stumbled on that, and got pulled through it by a friend that didn't listen to any dialog and didn't let any on-screen events finish. I was still looking around at the scenery for a whopping 5 seconds and never saw Darien die or heard anything that was said there.n

I put in a ticket for exploit, because screwing up by making that a group-capable instance instead of a solo instance is a bit bigger than a bug, but who gives a duck about such things like that. Not them. But a smaller error regarding lots of farmable closets in artaeum gets snappy attention.

So I never bothered to pick up the quest after that. Duck it, not interested unless they can roll my questline progress back one piddly little step.

BuddyAces · January 2019

I just finished up Summerset a week ago and I've had ESO+ for coming up on 4 years I believe. I just had other stuff to do.

karekiz · January 2019

other

Or it could be that ESO PS4 is a weakness.

BossXV · January 2019

I own all chapters, mist doc, only have beat half, so much to do in game

generalmyrick · January 2019

yes

If it was good enough people would play it.

Linaleah · January 2019

no

to be honest, ps4 trophies are weird. you could have the smallest, shortest, easiest game where you get trophies just by playing it/period. and NONE of them would have 100% completion. then again, I look at my ps4 library, with its ever growing collection of ps plus games that I barely touched... and I kinda get it. I mean... I have Tomb Raider reboot on my ps4 and had it for... over a year now? it was on deep deep sale, so I grabbed it and the thing is, I love the game, I 100% it... on PC.. and wanted to replay it on ps4, but have yet to get around to finishing it

there is a good chance that people did play in summerset, just never got around to finishing it, and there is a chance that they bought it, but wanted to play through main story first and are still playing it and there is a chance they bought it becasue they wanted acess to Cloudrest and jewelcrafting, so finishing main story was never on agenda and so on and so forth. people get games for variety of reasons and not everyone plays as completionist.

I would honestly not judge the game by its trophies. I mean... look at this https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/5879-horizon-zero-dawn

this is a highly acclaimed, VERY well selling game right there. heck, it outsold some of the games that were availabel on multiple platforms, while being ps4 exclusive. and only about half the people who have it - finished it. I don't even mean platinum, i mean finished the main story.

so yeah... trophies are... not the best indicator IMO.

Vizikul · January 2019

no

Bot accounts. They are legion and they mess up any statistics. If you removed all the bots, the percentage would drastically increase.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · January 2019

Xbox and PlayStation ought to just get rid of that percentage in the achievements, it tells you nothing. There is no context and therefore that number is useless.

StarOfElyon · January 2019

Maybe that means most people playing ESO are only interested in PVP or dungeon running. Every time I bring up my disappointments with the RPG side of ESO, I'm told that it's not really that kind of game.