New Tank Stamina or Majika?

Veinblood1965 · January 2019

I rolled a new DK tank since there seems to be a shortage. He's level 29 now. I've read a lot of posts but have a question. It seems he could go both ways, use Stamina based taunting or Majika based(I'm not at home so forget the actual spell names but the majika based one uses around 4,000 majika seems kind of high). Right now I've split by points evenly between health, majika and stamina. From all the posts I've read it seems it's best to go one way or the other is that the case?

My goal is to use him purely for tanking in groups, not much solo play except when needed for shards.

If you can go both ways which way would you advise for my purpose?

Is there a difference between how effective the taunt is between the two types?

What are the advantage of either type? Drawbacks? Keep in mind I just want to tank and protect my group the very best I can.

Thanks.

BejaProphet · January 2019

Tanks are unique in that they are almost universally a hybrid between stam in magicka. You want to make sure your health is the higher poolveven if just by one point. The reason is so that it is flagged as your primary attribute for shards and orbs.

You can split your attribute points if you want, but I recommend putting the bare minimum in stamina to keep it higher than magicka then everything into health. You boost your stam and magicka by Tri-stat glyphs, infused rings, and tri-stat food. With all that I sit comfortably around 19k in both magicka and stamina.

FrancisCrawford · January 2019

Please note that a tanking build is weak at anything but tanking. So you quest/level with one build and tank with another. For example:

Tanks put most of their attribute points into health. Everybody else puts most of them into one of magicka or stamina.
Tanks generally wear heavy armor. In PvE, magicka users generally wear light armor and stamina users generally wear medium.
Tanks' most important weapon set is 1H&S. That's rarely used in PvE for anything except tanking.

zvavi · January 2019

I will correct a lot for the previous poster and add some things. Tank put most of their attributes more or less evenly. In pve they do wear heavy armor, and get enough health from it alone, attributes in magicka/stamina gives them utility, more resource pool. After patch (the one that nerfs 1h enchants) ALL end game tanks are gonna run destruction staff back bar, be it frost staff (for magicka tanking) or lightening (more group support).

About the taunts. The s/b taunt is op. Gives major debuffs as well. Ranged taunt. Is a ranged taunt. In some situations it is a must. It's strong point is it's range (it can be both Magicka or stamina taunt, depending on morph).

Also make sure to have more Stamina than Magicka so when you get orbs/shards (sometimes u get them from healers. Some times) it will give you more block resources (more magicka if you prefer tanking with the ice staff)

Veinblood1965 · January 2019

The reason is so that it is flagged as your primary attribute for shards and orbs.<<<Beja can you elaborate on this? How does the primary stat relate to shards and orbs? I've never heard of this.

Psyonico · January 2019

BejaProphet wrote: »

Tanks are unique in that they are almost universally a hybrid between stam in magicka. You want to make sure your health is the higher poolveven if just by one point. The reason is so that it is flagged as your primary attribute for shards and orbs.

Shards/Orbs only affect Magicka or Stamina, not health.

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

The reason is so that it is flagged as your primary attribute for shards and orbs.<<<Beja can you elaborate on this? How does the primary stat relate to shards and orbs? I've never heard of this.

Shards/Orbs refers to Spear Shards and Necrotic Orb which has a synergy that replenishs the higher of your Magicka or Stamina. Generally tanks want higher stamina than magicka for blocking/taunting.

FlyingDutch92 · January 2019

BejaProphet wrote: »

Tanks are unique in that they are almost universally a hybrid between stam in magicka. You want to make sure your health is the higher pool even if just by one point. The reason is so that it is flagged as your primary attribute for shards and orbs.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to correct this and thereby answer your question.
Beja is correct with his statement that tanks are kind of hybrid when it comes to stam and mag. However, how you accomplish this (attribute points, gear, glyphs, passives etc) doesn't matter. Allocate your attribute points as you see fit, but I would advice to aim for 21k stam and 20k mag, and your health around 35k depending on sets. In terms of attribute points this will probably come down to a fairly even distribution (19 mag, 24 health, 21 stam, or something, I can't quite remember the exact numbers on my tank, but again, it's the resources that count, not so much the attribute points).

Where Beja is incorrect though, is with his statement about the health pool and the primary resource for orbs and shards, and therefore your question. Shards and orbs return a set amount of resources (either stam or mag, not health) to the player that synergizes them. The type of resource that is returned depends on the highest maximum resource, either mag or stam. In case your stam is your higher maximum resource (and it should), orbs and shards will refund stamina. Hence the decision to put two more attribute points into stamina, and go for 21k stam and 20k mag.
Beja is correct when he says you want to make sure your health is the highest pool, but this has absolutely nothing to do with resource return from shards and orbs. As a tank you simply need roughly 35k health to survive heavy attacks in harder content (even while blocking).

I hope this makes sense and answers your question!

courier · January 2019

I keep a stam taunt on front bar, and mag morph of inner fire on back, I like to have one of each depending on what the situation calls for.

Example, lots of adds and you have to spam chains and you drain your mag pool you can swap over and still taunt.

You're blocking a lot and a boss is getting out of range, swap over and call him back.

Veinblood1965 · January 2019

Thank you everyone this has been very helpful. So far it's been fun in most other Morphs taking just looks like a meat shield and really not doing much. In ESO there's actually an art to it from what I can see so far.

I just started mid last year my main is a DPS MagSorc with two pets for heals and dps runs mostly vet dungeons. The vet dungeons I'm in with my DPS guy I've been watching the tanks and they pull to certain spots, block, all sorts of stuff. It's helped me be a better DPS instead of just going where ever while DPSing I now get behind the mobs etc. In the reverse it's help me as a tank when a DPS lays down an AOE and doesn't position it just right I've been moving the mobs over their AOE. Quite fun.

Tanks everyone!

paulychan · January 2019

Both
On my s/b bar I have slightly more stamina.
On staff back bar I have slightly more magi ka.
I get to choose which needs the most resources that way.
Also MR>SR or HR. MR is king

KhajiitFelix · January 2019

Tanks are hybrids.

Veinblood1965 · January 2019

paulychan wrote: »

Both
On my s/b bar I have slightly more stamina.
On staff back bar I have slightly more magi ka.
I get to choose which needs the most resources that way.
Also MR>SR or HR. MR is king

Could you share what you have on both bars when you can?

Right now I'm set up for one bar for PVE and the other for Group settings since I'm hunting shards and doing delves to get skill points quickly. I'm running dungeons as often as I can in groups also. Once I get as many skill points as I need I'll stop PVE(not keen on running the same content as i did with my Sorc) and then run both bars as a tank only.

BejaProphet · January 2019

Geez guys, it was a typo. Obviously I meant to have stamina higher just barely.

In my second paragraph it’s clearly stated.