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Jhannes · January 2019

I just played through the worst story ever. Not in the sense of a poor plot but rather having to aid the orcs who slaughtered the bretons. What's worse is that the quest literally takes you to the past to experience how the war ended. I literally sat in front of the TV trying to devise a means of keeping the king,queen,princess and the knight alive despite knowing fully well that they were bound to die as this was only a vision of the past. It was just painful

Turelus · January 2019

You never mess with changing the past, don't you watch any Sci-Fi?

There are a number of quests where it's hard to play through them without being frustrated how you character is locked into one outcome, mostly because they feel like there should be alternative options. The sacrifice we make for playing CRPG's over pen and paper RPG's.

Tabbycat · January 2019

ESO has a lot of tear jerker moments like that. But that's also what makes the story telling so compelling.

adriant1978 · January 2019

Pretty sure nobody dies except the king at the end if you pick the correct dialogue options to get the information from them without violence, and I seem to remember the Orc chief saying that those who accepted exile would be given safe passage off the island.

Jhannes · January 2019

Turelus wrote: »

You never mess with changing the past, don't you watch any Sci-Fi?

There are a number of quests where it's hard to play through them without being frustrated how you character is locked into one outcome, mostly because they feel like there should be alternative options. The sacrifice we make for playing CRPG's over pen and paper RPG's.

Yeah I know about how changing the past and how it could severely affect the future but ...but.... but........ The bretons after speaking to their spirits it's clear that they were kind hearted it just sucks...

Jhannes · January 2019

adriant1978 wrote: »

Pretty sure nobody dies except the king at the end if you pick the correct dialogue options to get the information from them without violence, and I seem to remember the Orc chief saying that those who accepted exile would be given safe passage off the island.

I did the correct dialogue. I got the info about turning the two ayelid stones but the quest would not let me progress unless I had killed the queen,knight and princess to question their spirits which I painfully had to go through... The orcs did say those who chose exile would live but it didn't make me feel better one bit

adriant1978 · January 2019

Jhannes wrote: »

adriant1978 wrote: »

Pretty sure nobody dies except the king at the end if you pick the correct dialogue options to get the information from them without violence, and I seem to remember the Orc chief saying that those who accepted exile would be given safe passage off the island.

I did the correct dialogue. I got the info about turning the two ayelid stones but the quest would not let me progress unless I had killed the queen,knight and princess to question their spirits which I painfully had to go through... The orcs did say those who chose exile would live but it didn't make me feel better one bit

As I remember you have to get two pieces of information: what the Breton king is planning, and how to open the door. It is possible to find out both without killing anyone if you choose the correct questions.

If you're sure that you picked the right choices then what happened to you sounds like a bug.

JKorr · January 2019

Jhannes wrote: »

adriant1978 wrote: »

Pretty sure nobody dies except the king at the end if you pick the correct dialogue options to get the information from them without violence, and I seem to remember the Orc chief saying that those who accepted exile would be given safe passage off the island.

I did the correct dialogue. I got the info about turning the two ayelid stones but the quest would not let me progress unless I had killed the queen,knight and princess to question their spirits which I painfully had to go through... The orcs did say those who chose exile would live but it didn't make me feel better one bit

You must have had one heck of a glitch. On multiple run-throughs for me the only one that had to die was the king, because "story". This is at least 12 times, so far.

Did you have the "persuade" and "intimidate" passives? I have no idea whether it makes a difference or not, though.

Jhannes · January 2019

Hmm I'm beginning to think it was a flaw on my part (bugs are kinda rare tbh) so it's definitely me.
Great
I killed the bretons 🙁☹️😢

ArchMikem · January 2019

I remember the island as its original name, Betony.

To us, the Orcs are murderous invaders who stole the home of the original Bretons, but to the Orcs, thats just how their people are. The glorious conquest. They earned that island through blood and battle and proved their right to claim it. They dont care about it already being claimed, they only care about being the stronger, more deserving people. ""What's yours is now mine because I'm stronger than you".

Thevampirenight · January 2019

Yeah I tried to save them all on a character the other day but I could only spare the arkay priestess the thing is by saving her you might just be changed the future to the point she might not have given you the staff or maybe they allowed her to stay to bury the dead. I only found out after looking it up that you had to read the notes and say the correct options and you only have one chance of doing so if not they won't help you at all forcing you to the point you have to kill them. Going to tell some spoilers here.

The King and the Family got desperate, and in so doing prepared to use a powerful soul sucking artifact that might not have only killed the invaders but everyone else on the island. Had the orcs not put a stop to it. The whole situation might have been worse far worse the relic attempted to corrupt the king he even tells you what he to do was going to be a lot worse then anything the orcs ever did. The Orcs respect the dead, I can imagine they allowed the survivors to bury their loved ones or buried them as a sign of respect in their cemetery. The Blood thorns or whatever they are called have no respect at all and had they succeeded in using the relic well that might have been even worse then the events in the rivenspire which I will not spoil.

The thing about the Vestige is they have power where others might have visions and relive the past without being able to change it. The Vestige has the option of reliving and changing the past and actively interact with it even if they never meant too. You can see this through several of the quests. You can literally change the past in some of the Daggerfall covenant missions.

Jhannes · January 2019

ArchMikem wrote: »

I remember the island as its original name, Betony.

To us, the Orcs are murderous invaders who stole the home of the original Bretons, but to the Orcs, thats just how their people are. The glorious conquest. They earned that island through blood and battle and proved their right to claim it. They dont care about it already being claimed, they only care about being the stronger, more deserving people. ""What's yours is now mine because I'm stronger than you".

This is quite true. The orc that initiated the quest made a statement with that mentality

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Yeah I tried to save them all on a character the other day but I could only spare the arkay priestess the thing is by saving her you might just be changed the future to the point she might not have given you the staff or maybe they allowed her to stay to bury the dead. I only found out after looking it up that you had to read the notes and say the correct options and you only have one chance of doing so if not they won't help you at all forcing you to the point you have to kill them. Going to tell some spoilers here.
The King and the Family got desperate, and in so doing prepared to use a powerful soul sucking artifact that might not have only killed the invaders but everyone else on the island. Had the orcs not put a stop to it. The whole situation might have been worse far worse the relic attempted to corrupt the king he even tells you what he to do was going to be a lot worse then anything the orcs ever did. The Orcs respect the dead, I can imagine they allowed the survivors to bury their loved ones or buried them as a sign of respect in their cemetery. The Blood thorns or whatever they are called have no respect at all and had they succeeded in using the relic well that might have been even worse then the events in the rivenspire which I will not spoil.
The thing about the Vestige is they have power where others might have visions and relive the past without being able to change it. The Vestige has the option of reliving and changing the past and actively interact with it even if they never meant too. You can see this through several of the quests. You can literally change the past in several Daggerfall covenant missions as well. You can choose to change the past in order to change the fate of several people.

But the king and queen still died based on lore tho
Maybe it changes their dialogue but it doesn't still change history
I normally play as a Breton (Oblivion and Skyrim) but had to play as an altmer in eso for dps reasons so the entire history hurts me to the core
There's so much I don't know about tamriel even

Thevampirenight · January 2019

Jhannes wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I remember the island as its original name, Betony.

To us, the Orcs are murderous invaders who stole the home of the original Bretons, but to the Orcs, thats just how their people are. The glorious conquest. They earned that island through blood and battle and proved their right to claim it. They dont care about it already being claimed, they only care about being the stronger, more deserving people. ""What's yours is now mine because I'm stronger than you".

This is quite true. The orc that initiated the quest made a statement with that mentality

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Yeah I tried to save them all on a character the other day but I could only spare the arkay priestess the thing is by saving her you might just be changed the future to the point she might not have given you the staff or maybe they allowed her to stay to bury the dead. I only found out after looking it up that you had to read the notes and say the correct options and you only have one chance of doing so if not they won't help you at all forcing you to the point you have to kill them. Going to tell some spoilers here.
The King and the Family got desperate, and in so doing prepared to use a powerful soul sucking artifact that might not have only killed the invaders but everyone else on the island. Had the orcs not put a stop to it. The whole situation might have been worse far worse the relic attempted to corrupt the king he even tells you what he to do was going to be a lot worse then anything the orcs ever did. The Orcs respect the dead, I can imagine they allowed the survivors to bury their loved ones or buried them as a sign of respect in their cemetery. The Blood thorns or whatever they are called have no respect at all and had they succeeded in using the relic well that might have been even worse then the events in the rivenspire which I will not spoil.
The thing about the Vestige is they have power where others might have visions and relive the past without being able to change it. The Vestige has the option of reliving and changing the past and actively interact with it even if they never meant too. You can see this through several of the quests. You can literally change the past in several Daggerfall covenant missions as well. You can choose to change the past in order to change the fate of several people.

But the king and queen still died based on lore tho
Maybe it changes their dialogue but it doesn't still change history
I normally play as a Breton (Oblivion and Skyrim) but had to play as an altmer in eso for dps reasons so the entire history hurts me to the core
There's so much I don't know about tamriel even

Well the past is the past, and its best not changing it. Imagine if you were not born as a result in someone changing the timeline. The orcs well did a lot of heinous things but the bretons as well have done a lot of bad things some even worse then the orcs and the redguards have done the same. It is sad, and its good story telling. But yeah its something that will repeat. The Bretons did a lot of horrible things towards the Orcish people rather recently.
The Orcs only took over an island, and removed the survivors and killed the royal family. But the Bretons and Redguards have done campaigns of genocide on many innocent orcs as well and basically forced them to be an indentured race as best and second class citizens a lot of the time. Which is a cycle I think. So the Orcs still get a lot of the blunt of hate and fear. Just for the actions of some of the orcs in the past. You also don't know who this family is. They could have been bad people or good people that lost their way attempting to save their people.They leave it enough so you can wonder. Still its a tragic story and they made it that way for a reason. Plus these would be people that lived ten generations before the time of eso. So that is a long time and a lot has changed since that time.

Jhannes · January 2019

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Jhannes wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I remember the island as its original name, Betony.

To us, the Orcs are murderous invaders who stole the home of the original Bretons, but to the Orcs, thats just how their people are. The glorious conquest. They earned that island through blood and battle and proved their right to claim it. They dont care about it already being claimed, they only care about being the stronger, more deserving people. ""What's yours is now mine because I'm stronger than you".

This is quite true. The orc that initiated the quest made a statement with that mentality

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Yeah I tried to save them all on a character the other day but I could only spare the arkay priestess the thing is by saving her you might just be changed the future to the point she might not have given you the staff or maybe they allowed her to stay to bury the dead. I only found out after looking it up that you had to read the notes and say the correct options and you only have one chance of doing so if not they won't help you at all forcing you to the point you have to kill them. Going to tell some spoilers here.
The King and the Family got desperate, and in so doing prepared to use a powerful soul sucking artifact that might not have only killed the invaders but everyone else on the island. Had the orcs not put a stop to it. The whole situation might have been worse far worse the relic attempted to corrupt the king he even tells you what he to do was going to be a lot worse then anything the orcs ever did. The Orcs respect the dead, I can imagine they allowed the survivors to bury their loved ones or buried them as a sign of respect in their cemetery. The Blood thorns or whatever they are called have no respect at all and had they succeeded in using the relic well that might have been even worse then the events in the rivenspire which I will not spoil.
The thing about the Vestige is they have power where others might have visions and relive the past without being able to change it. The Vestige has the option of reliving and changing the past and actively interact with it even if they never meant too. You can see this through several of the quests. You can literally change the past in several Daggerfall covenant missions as well. You can choose to change the past in order to change the fate of several people.

But the king and queen still died based on lore tho
Maybe it changes their dialogue but it doesn't still change history
I normally play as a Breton (Oblivion and Skyrim) but had to play as an altmer in eso for dps reasons so the entire history hurts me to the core
There's so much I don't know about tamriel even

Well the past is the past, and its best not changing it. Imagine if you were not born as a result in someone changing the timeline. The orcs well did a lot of heinous things but the bretons as well have done a lot of bad things some even worse then the orcs and the redguards have done the same. It is sad, and its good story telling. But yeah its something that will repeat. The Bretons did a lot of horrible things towards the Orcish people rather recently. The Orcs only took over an island, and removed the survivors. But the Bretons and Redguards have done campaigns of genocide on the orcs. Which is a cycle I think. So the Orcs still get a lot of the blunt of hate and fear. Just for the actions of some of the orcs in the past.

Wait wait..the bretons did what? Genocide? Wait I forgot to mention I'm new in eso (this is my second month of playing) I haven't gotten really deep in quests except for those in auridon,summerset and vvardenfell. I know not of any genocide. Where can I find quests about the genocide campaigns
I wanna know more
I hate the orcs but genocide is going a bit too far

adriant1978 · January 2019

Jhannes wrote: »

Wait wait..the bretons did what? Genocide? Wait I forgot to mention I'm new in eso (this is my second month of playing) I haven't gotten really deep in quests except for those in auridon,summerset and vvardenfell. I know not of any genocide. Where can I find quests about the genocide campaigns
I wanna know more
I hate the orcs but genocide is going a bit too far

You'll find out as you go along that no race in this game is completely innocent and all have skeletons in the closet.

MLGProPlayer · January 2019

There are a lot of quests that force you to do things like that. It's one of my biggest gripes with the game. There really should be more choice.

Jhannes · January 2019

adriant1978 wrote: »

Jhannes wrote: »

Wait wait..the bretons did what? Genocide? Wait I forgot to mention I'm new in eso (this is my second month of playing) I haven't gotten really deep in quests except for those in auridon,summerset and vvardenfell. I know not of any genocide. Where can I find quests about the genocide campaigns
I wanna know more
I hate the orcs but genocide is going a bit too far

You'll find out as you go along that no race in this game is completely innocent and all have skeletons in the closet.

Hmm time to start delving into questing...I wonder what horror awaits to be discovered

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There are a lot of quests that force you to do things like that. It's one of my biggest gripes with the game. There really should be more choice.

I'm guessing it's cuz it's an online game with lots of players in the same instance

starkerealm · January 2019

Jhannes wrote: »

adriant1978 wrote: »

Pretty sure nobody dies except the king at the end if you pick the correct dialogue options to get the information from them without violence, and I seem to remember the Orc chief saying that those who accepted exile would be given safe passage off the island.

I did the correct dialogue. I got the info about turning the two ayelid stones but the quest would not let me progress unless I had killed the queen,knight and princess to question their spirits which I painfully had to go through... The orcs did say those who chose exile would live but it didn't make me feel better one bit

No, it's entirely possible to get the information out of them without resorting to violence. At least, it was the last time I ran the quest a couple months ago.

JKorr · January 2019

Jhannes wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I remember the island as its original name, Betony.

To us, the Orcs are murderous invaders who stole the home of the original Bretons, but to the Orcs, thats just how their people are. The glorious conquest. They earned that island through blood and battle and proved their right to claim it. They dont care about it already being claimed, they only care about being the stronger, more deserving people. ""What's yours is now mine because I'm stronger than you".

This is quite true. The orc that initiated the quest made a statement with that mentality

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Yeah I tried to save them all on a character the other day but I could only spare the arkay priestess the thing is by saving her you might just be changed the future to the point she might not have given you the staff or maybe they allowed her to stay to bury the dead. I only found out after looking it up that you had to read the notes and say the correct options and you only have one chance of doing so if not they won't help you at all forcing you to the point you have to kill them. Going to tell some spoilers here.
The King and the Family got desperate, and in so doing prepared to use a powerful soul sucking artifact that might not have only killed the invaders but everyone else on the island. Had the orcs not put a stop to it. The whole situation might have been worse far worse the relic attempted to corrupt the king he even tells you what he to do was going to be a lot worse then anything the orcs ever did. The Orcs respect the dead, I can imagine they allowed the survivors to bury their loved ones or buried them as a sign of respect in their cemetery. The Blood thorns or whatever they are called have no respect at all and had they succeeded in using the relic well that might have been even worse then the events in the rivenspire which I will not spoil.
The thing about the Vestige is they have power where others might have visions and relive the past without being able to change it. The Vestige has the option of reliving and changing the past and actively interact with it even if they never meant too. You can see this through several of the quests. You can literally change the past in several Daggerfall covenant missions as well. You can choose to change the past in order to change the fate of several people.

But the king and queen still died based on lore tho
Maybe it changes their dialogue but it doesn't still change history
I normally play as a Breton (Oblivion and Skyrim) but had to play as an altmer in eso for dps reasons so the entire history hurts me to the core
There's so much I don't know about tamriel even

The queen doesn't have to die during the quest. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Unearthing_the_Past

Everstorm · January 2019

Jhannes wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Jhannes wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I remember the island as its original name, Betony.

To us, the Orcs are murderous invaders who stole the home of the original Bretons, but to the Orcs, thats just how their people are. The glorious conquest. They earned that island through blood and battle and proved their right to claim it. They dont care about it already being claimed, they only care about being the stronger, more deserving people. ""What's yours is now mine because I'm stronger than you".

This is quite true. The orc that initiated the quest made a statement with that mentality

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Yeah I tried to save them all on a character the other day but I could only spare the arkay priestess the thing is by saving her you might just be changed the future to the point she might not have given you the staff or maybe they allowed her to stay to bury the dead. I only found out after looking it up that you had to read the notes and say the correct options and you only have one chance of doing so if not they won't help you at all forcing you to the point you have to kill them. Going to tell some spoilers here.
The King and the Family got desperate, and in so doing prepared to use a powerful soul sucking artifact that might not have only killed the invaders but everyone else on the island. Had the orcs not put a stop to it. The whole situation might have been worse far worse the relic attempted to corrupt the king he even tells you what he to do was going to be a lot worse then anything the orcs ever did. The Orcs respect the dead, I can imagine they allowed the survivors to bury their loved ones or buried them as a sign of respect in their cemetery. The Blood thorns or whatever they are called have no respect at all and had they succeeded in using the relic well that might have been even worse then the events in the rivenspire which I will not spoil.
The thing about the Vestige is they have power where others might have visions and relive the past without being able to change it. The Vestige has the option of reliving and changing the past and actively interact with it even if they never meant too. You can see this through several of the quests. You can literally change the past in several Daggerfall covenant missions as well. You can choose to change the past in order to change the fate of several people.

But the king and queen still died based on lore tho
Maybe it changes their dialogue but it doesn't still change history
I normally play as a Breton (Oblivion and Skyrim) but had to play as an altmer in eso for dps reasons so the entire history hurts me to the core
There's so much I don't know about tamriel even

Well the past is the past, and its best not changing it. Imagine if you were not born as a result in someone changing the timeline. The orcs well did a lot of heinous things but the bretons as well have done a lot of bad things some even worse then the orcs and the redguards have done the same. It is sad, and its good story telling. But yeah its something that will repeat. The Bretons did a lot of horrible things towards the Orcish people rather recently. The Orcs only took over an island, and removed the survivors. But the Bretons and Redguards have done campaigns of genocide on the orcs. Which is a cycle I think. So the Orcs still get a lot of the blunt of hate and fear. Just for the actions of some of the orcs in the past.

Wait wait..the bretons did what? Genocide? Wait I forgot to mention I'm new in eso (this is my second month of playing) I haven't gotten really deep in quests except for those in auridon,summerset and vvardenfell. I know not of any genocide. Where can I find quests about the genocide campaigns
I wanna know more
I hate the orcs but genocide is going a bit too far

The Orsinium dlc has a lot of lore about the wars between the orcs and the bretons and redguards. It's central story is about rebuilding the orc capital after it has been razed yet again.

Everstorm · January 2019

adriant1978 wrote: »

Jhannes wrote: »

Wait wait..the bretons did what? Genocide? Wait I forgot to mention I'm new in eso (this is my second month of playing) I haven't gotten really deep in quests except for those in auridon,summerset and vvardenfell. I know not of any genocide. Where can I find quests about the genocide campaigns
I wanna know more
I hate the orcs but genocide is going a bit too far

You'll find out as you go along that no race in this game is completely innocent and all have skeletons in the closet.

Apart from the usual warring I can't come up with any atrocities done by the Khajiit. But I'm no lore expert.

starkerealm · January 2019

Everstorm wrote: »

adriant1978 wrote: »

Jhannes wrote: »

Wait wait..the bretons did what? Genocide? Wait I forgot to mention I'm new in eso (this is my second month of playing) I haven't gotten really deep in quests except for those in auridon,summerset and vvardenfell. I know not of any genocide. Where can I find quests about the genocide campaigns
I wanna know more
I hate the orcs but genocide is going a bit too far

You'll find out as you go along that no race in this game is completely innocent and all have skeletons in the closet.

Apart from the usual warring I can't come up with any atrocities done by the Khajiit. But I'm no lore expert.

Though, seriously, the Khajiit and Bosmer have done some pretty horrible things to one another. Nothing comes to mind that's exceptionally messed up at the moment, but there is history there.

Rake · January 2019

Bretons? Nothing of value was lost.

AlnilamE · January 2019

There is a quest in Stonefalls that I refuse to pick up after I did it on 2 characters. I just hate all the outcomes. And I'm ok with that.

Danikat · January 2019

Everstorm wrote: »

adriant1978 wrote: »

Jhannes wrote: »

Wait wait..the bretons did what? Genocide? Wait I forgot to mention I'm new in eso (this is my second month of playing) I haven't gotten really deep in quests except for those in auridon,summerset and vvardenfell. I know not of any genocide. Where can I find quests about the genocide campaigns
I wanna know more
I hate the orcs but genocide is going a bit too far

You'll find out as you go along that no race in this game is completely innocent and all have skeletons in the closet.

Apart from the usual warring I can't come up with any atrocities done by the Khajiit. But I'm no lore expert.

As Starkrealm said they have a long history of war with the bosmer. I believe it usually starts with raiding across the border and then escalates into war. Historical (in-universe) sources are often unclear on exactly what caused it, partially because no one else tends to notice until a full-blown war is going on and partially because theft is important to both cultures and not viewed entirely negatively (broadly speaking the attitude is that if you can get away with stealing it then you've earned it) so it can be hard for outsiders to understand when that becomes an offence worthy of declaring war.

But during war both sides have done some pretty messed up things. For example the khajiit will deliberately go into Valenwood and fell trees because they know that this is blasphemy to the bosmer and it will provoke them. There are also claims of cannibalism on both sides (confirmed for the bosmer, as far as I know only rumoured for the khajiit).

Other than that I think the khajiit are a bit too independently minded and geographically limited for large-scale conquests. All the warring with Valenwood has done very little to change the border, they seem to have no interest in moving into Black Marsh (a lot of khajiit hate water) and moving into Cyrodiil is probably out of the question most of the time with the Imperials being one of the most militaristic cultures in Tamriel.

AlnilamE wrote: »

There is a quest in Stonefalls that I refuse to pick up after I did it on 2 characters. I just hate all the outcomes. And I'm ok with that.

It's funny, I was always fine with this in previous TES games - I'd skip quests that involved helping/serving daedric princes I didn't like or trust, joining the Dark Brotherhood and all kinds of other things. But in ESO for some reason skipping content bothers me, even if I don't like it. I think I'm letting my MMO 'completionist' thinking over-rule my role-playing. (Although often I compromise - I made an evil character to do all the things I don't want my normal characters to do but where I want to see the outcome...or get the achievement.)

ArchMikem · January 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

adriant1978 wrote: »

Jhannes wrote: »

Wait wait..the bretons did what? Genocide? Wait I forgot to mention I'm new in eso (this is my second month of playing) I haven't gotten really deep in quests except for those in auridon,summerset and vvardenfell. I know not of any genocide. Where can I find quests about the genocide campaigns
I wanna know more
I hate the orcs but genocide is going a bit too far

You'll find out as you go along that no race in this game is completely innocent and all have skeletons in the closet.

Apart from the usual warring I can't come up with any atrocities done by the Khajiit. But I'm no lore expert.

Though, seriously, the Khajiit and Bosmer have done some pretty horrible things to one another. Nothing comes to mind that's exceptionally messed up at the moment, but there is history there.

I remember reading about this nifty little War sometime in the 3rd Era where the Bosmer straight up massacred half of Elsweyr before the Khajiit pushed them back, because bandits raided their Lumber shipments on the border. Such fun.

MLGProPlayer · January 2019

Jhannes wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There are a lot of quests that force you to do things like that. It's one of my biggest gripes with the game. There really should be more choice.

I'm guessing it's cuz it's an online game with lots of players in the same instance

But what you see in the game is unique to you. A village may be on fire and filled with Daedra for one player while it might be peaceful in another player's game. One player can choose to kill and NPC while another can choose to save them. The two players will see different NPCs. The game is designed to allow for choice right now. ZOS just hasn't implemented too much of it.

mxxo · January 2019

Betnikh was one of the really positive surprises to me in the basegame.

Hurbster · January 2019

As long as I get to *** off Nicollete it's all good.

ArcaneBlue · January 2019

no matter which dialogue option I choose I somehow always end up killing Drago

Thevampirenight · January 2019

Well with a new orc character I was able to spare all of them. WIthout having to execute them.