People complain about...... Meta nerfs?
KhajiitFelix
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DW got nerfed hard and now I have a reason to bring 2H in a trial. But seriously, you wanted diversity right? So why complain about DW nerf? Meta got nerfed and this added some diversity. Or you just want forum reputation by saying something like "We must nerf meta so we will have build diversity" but in reality you are just a metamancer.
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vesselwiththepestle✭✭✭✭✭
✭The DW nerf isn't a DW vs 2H issue. 2H is still lacking behind. The issues are Stamina vs Magicka balancing and how the nerf was implemented. 2 half enchantments are worse than 1 full enchantment. Many have to run absorb stamina now on the bow bar, which additionally lowers dps compared to a berserk or damage glyph on bow bar. The forums are full of pointing out mathematical issues (why two half enchantments are worse than one full enchantment) and alternatives to the nerf. Also I'd like to point out, that upgrading and farming DW is twice as hard as 2H, but we didn't get a cost reduction, also we still need a FULL KUTA for HALF A GLYPH.
I don't see any added diversity, I tried 2H and it's still worse, so it won't be meta, while it has been "valid" anyway before and won't get more valid because it isn't buffed absolutely. If you want to make 2H more viable/meta, 2H should be buffed.
Last but not least I don't understand why there are so many threads about the upcoming patch and PTS patch notes in the general forum and combat forum instead of the PTS forum, where these things should actually be discussed.1000+ CP
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datgladiatah✭✭✭Maybe a 50% nerf was too much, but simply improving enchant power 100% on 2h instead would have been really bad for balance as it is. They probably should have mixed and matched the ratios. Idk, it should have been untouched and the CD should have been lower on 2h or something like that0 -
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True, but they also seem to change the numbers a bit high between each patch, increasing the numbers massivly in one or another direction a lot, maybe to make their pts test-bunnies or customers say what it will cause so they (ZOS) don’t need to look into it. :P[Outfits] Hide More Armor Slots?
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John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭KhajiitFelix wrote: »DW got nerfed hard and now I have a reason to bring 2H in a trial. But seriously, you wanted diversity right? So why complain about DW nerf? Meta got nerfed and this added some diversity. Or you just want forum reputation by saying something like "We must nerf meta so we will have build diversity" but in reality you are just a metamancer.
Sure, you have a reason to bring 2H in a trial. But nobody else has a reason to take you into a trial. 2H didn't grow any better overnight. Just whole stamina got nerfed, magicka hits harder, feels safer, and is much less of a liability. And 2H remained a pile of rubbish, because nothing changed about the whole poorly designed skill line - it loses even to nerfed DW, let alone to magicka (that is also better at what 2H prides itself in - AoE damage). So you simply got a new neighbor in your corner of irrelevance.3 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Everyone wants balance until it comes for their favourite thing.
It is also entirely possible to be in favor of game balance and build diversity, and yet not in favor of how ZOS has chosen to accomplish that very thing.
As for myself, I view "game balance" as an ever-moving target that ZOS deliberately changes every update since One Tamriel to create horizontal progression for players, and thus see that they deliberately engenders some level of unhappiness in players so that players who chase the meta will grind (or pay) in order to be as good as they used to be, thus prolonging their playtime in ESO beyond where most satisfied players would grow bored and leave. In that sense, "game balance" is an illusion for simply updating game/class/race mechanics to keep things fresh and keep metachasers engaged.
As for build diversity, for meta chasers, the only thing that matters is what's BIS mathematically for thr content and mechanics, so its not balance or diversity, but a game of who's turn it is to be King of the Hill which ZOS changes every update. For the rest of us, the only thing that matters is whether a build can complete the content and that's almost always down to the player's skill and knowledge, not their build.1 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »KhajiitFelix wrote: »DW got nerfed hard and now I have a reason to bring 2H in a trial. But seriously, you wanted diversity right? So why complain about DW nerf? Meta got nerfed and this added some diversity. Or you just want forum reputation by saying something like "We must nerf meta so we will have build diversity" but in reality you are just a metamancer.
Sure, you have a reason to bring 2H in a trial. But nobody else has a reason to take you into a trial. 2H didn't grow any better overnight. Just whole stamina got nerfed, magicka hits harder, feels safer, and is much less of a liability. And 2H remained a pile of rubbish, because nothing changed about the whole poorly designed skill line - it loses even to nerfed DW, let alone to magicka (that is also better at what 2H prides itself in - AoE damage). So you simply got a new neighbor in your corner of irrelevance.
Expertly put.0 -
ZeroXFF✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's not only DW, it's also 1hs that got nerfed, which really wasn't necessary. If anything, this reduces build diversity for tanks, and forces them to run destro staff back bar with crusher. So no, this change does nothing for build diversity, it's in fact making the viable builds more restrictive.1
