"Now Is the Time for an Account Wide Achievement System" or "Why Don't Play Alts"

Tandor · January 2019

lagrue wrote: »

Odnoc wrote: »

Just play the game and have fun? Not sure why people worry about achievements on other characters when they probably don't have them all on one anyhow.

Because for some people that is fun? Are you really chastising people for enjoying an aspect of the game you don't? You don't "have" to do anything in this game. What a silly comment.

Maybe it's me that's misinterpreting, but it seemed to me on reading both comments that it's yours that is the silly comment based on a complete failure to comprehend the point being made.

Kiralyn2000 · January 2019

Honestly, I think I'd find account-wide achievements to be annoying. Because I don't see Achieves as a checklist of things that I must do, but as a handy way to keep track of what each of my characters has done. If doing an achievement on one character checked it off on the others as well, I wouldn't have any idea who did it.

But then, I don't feel 'forced' to 100% things. Just like I never had a problem with my Skyrim quest log picking up all those quests by overhearing conversations I was walking past (while other players complained on the forums about how they had to do those quests now, because they had to have a neat quest log.)

lagrue · January 2019

Tandor wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Odnoc wrote: »

Just play the game and have fun? Not sure why people worry about achievements on other characters when they probably don't have them all on one anyhow.

Because for some people that is fun? Are you really chastising people for enjoying an aspect of the game you don't? You don't "have" to do anything in this game. What a silly comment.

Maybe it's me that's misinterpreting, but it seemed to me on reading both comments that it's yours that is the silly comment based on a complete failure to comprehend the point being made.

He's saying because they don't have all the achievements on one character it shouldn't matter to them if they're shared.. that they should just play the game and have fun (as though hunting cheevos isn't fun for some people, which comes off as a jab at people's subjective idea of fun)... pretty silly argument to make.

Dielmeanathal · January 2019

Protossyder wrote: »

Shuairan wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

I cant believe this is even up for debate in 2018.
Players do Achievements, not characters. There is literally no reason for an Achievement to be characterbased.

It is also extremely unfair towards players who completed achievements on multiple characters to just join them together and make them accountwide.

Why this? No one takes the effort they invested away. Would be same as the constant hunt for better gear. Would be unfair for those who took so long to gather the perfect gear and then, with a new expansion, their effort ist for nothing.

Oh, so there is no difference in effort between a player having the dro'm athra destroyer on 5 chars (e.g. 1 tank, 1 healer and 3 dds) and a player who was lucky and got carried once?

And just because smth is "unfair" (even though your example is not unfair and is a bad comparison in my eyes), it justifies another unfair feature?

I'm not saying that it's unfair. In my eyes it's totally valid and fine. It was just an example. MMOs are changing and are in a constant state of changing. This affects every player. Some more than others, but nevertheless, everyone is affected.

Could be gear, xp gain rate (which is changed in every MMO which lasts more than 6 years), achievements and so on....

At some point players will be upset because they invested more time than someone else who joined later... happens.

Don't want to offend you, really, but it looks like a little bit of "mimimimi....I've invested so much and now everyone gets it nearly for free"

Siohwenoeht · January 2019

@Edziu Perhaps you should "read with understanding" the OP and the first few pages of the thread. Nowhere did the op have "only after alt is level 50" written.

It then, as these threads always do, devolved into "gimme skyshards lorebooks and all skill lines levelled too!"

If you want your journal achievements to be account wide, fine, doesn't bother me one bit. But under no circumstances should your brand new alt be able to sport any titles or have any skill lines or extra skill points that wasn't earned on that alt.

Lady_Sleepless · January 2019

What they should do is have an Account Overview and a Character Overview that you can toggle between. So you can see all of your account achievements as one and then toggle to see what your character has done so far. That way all titles and PvP ranks are personal to that character you unlocked it with but your account total will appear to easily see what you've done on your account. Simple, you can complete achievements on any character for an account total but it leaves you with titles still to collect if you want them on that character.
Skyshards and horse riding I'm less sure about. I'd like Skyshards unlocked, but honestly I'm unsure what ZOS want to do on that front.

Edziu · January 2019

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

@Edziu Perhaps you should "read with understanding" the OP and the first few pages of the thread. Nowhere did the op have "only after alt is level 50" written.

in OP ofc like in most these threads, sorry for bothering you with this but to this "only after alt get 50lvl" I mean as many other was writing it while also giving many more mid ground ideas

SteveCampsOut · January 2019

The only thing from Achievements I see that should be account wide are titles. Achievement Dye's are already account wide, why not the titles?

Tetrafy · January 2019

MrGarlic wrote: »

I am in favour of this, but I imagine it would just go into ZOS's 'Too-Hard Basket,' or the 'No-Finacial-Gain-For-The-Effort Receptacle.'

I'd also like to see better achievement rewards. Dyes that don't really colour very well and character titles are pretty limited. I don't see that changing either for the reasons listed in paragraph 1.

What they need to understand is the more mainstream concepts they use, the more people actually enjoy your game. Fortnite, cod and wow are all top performers why? Because they use systems that give long term players goals and attainable ones.

Tetrafy · January 2019

WeerW3ir wrote: »

here we go again.another *** topic about this.

WE.. NOT. NEED. THIS.

Yes we really do.

Tetrafy · January 2019

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

You spelled "Summary" wrong.

An account wide summary would be fine. Achievements, beyond the basics, should remain character specific.

Why does it matter what chracter got it? So out dated.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · January 2019

Odnoc wrote: »

Just play the game and have fun? Not sure why people worry about achievements on other characters when they probably don't have them all on one anyhow.

so imma break it to you then...im almost done with all achievements and this is the main reason why I dont play any of my alts to begin with.
some people are completionists and like to have every.single.thing.

izanagi256 · January 2019

Im cheap and I dont wanna cosntantly respec for pve or pvp or tanking or healing so I level characters to do that

AlnilamE · January 2019

Tetrafy wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

You spelled "Summary" wrong.

An account wide summary would be fine. Achievements, beyond the basics, should remain character specific.

Why does it matter what chracter got it? So out dated.

Because maybe people want to do the same content on different characters and the achievements are a way of keeping track of who has done what?

I have 11 characters now. I can't off the top of my head remember which dungeons the two DKs are missing, or who has done all the DLC dungeons, for example. And which character should work on the Daedric Generals next.

Tandor · January 2019

lagrue wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Odnoc wrote: »

Just play the game and have fun? Not sure why people worry about achievements on other characters when they probably don't have them all on one anyhow.

Because for some people that is fun? Are you really chastising people for enjoying an aspect of the game you don't? You don't "have" to do anything in this game. What a silly comment.

Maybe it's me that's misinterpreting, but it seemed to me on reading both comments that it's yours that is the silly comment based on a complete failure to comprehend the point being made.

He's saying because they don't have all the achievements on one character it shouldn't matter to them if they're shared.. that they should just play the game and have fun (as though hunting cheevos isn't fun for some people, which comes off as a jab at people's subjective idea of fun)... pretty silly argument to make.

I think what he's saying is that if you don't have all the achievements on your main character it shouldn't worry you if you don't want to get them all on your other characters, just play the game and have fun. His point is that people are obsessing about the grind in getting achievements on alts when in all probability they don't have all of them on their main in the first place.

SugaComa · January 2019

Aliyavana wrote: »

I used to be against this but some trials are magika biased and ill never get those achievements on my stamina character

Been asking for this for ages ... And that's pretty much my main reason why ... When achievements aren't obtsibsble on one character through gave mechanics I dobt see the point ... It's one thing me not being good enough but to make it biased against me is just insulting me

Nerouyn · January 2019

I've just stopped caring about achievements because the developers have either lost their minds or embraced sadism.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Prologues_Achievements

150?! That's Shivering Isles grade insanity.

I'm not even doing that on one character let alone all of them. And completionism is a very fragile thing. Once you decide you're not going to bother with any part of that business, it becomes easier to not bother with any of it.

Like holiday achievements.

Halloween required doing trials. I am not a rat. I do not enjoy running through rat mazes. Nor will I pay gold to complete the achievement. Pass.

PvP or miss out on event tickets? I'll take missing out on event tickets.

SugaComa · January 2019

WeerW3ir wrote: »

here we go again.another *** topic about this.

WE.. NOT. NEED. THIS.

Yes we do ...

Choices ... We should have a choice in his we get the achievement for some they're gained by the player ... Those people prefer account wide ...other prefer them character bound for RP purposes ... Simply add a toggle both people are happy

We're not asking for skill points to be account wide just the achievements

SugaComa · January 2019

Hallothiel wrote: »

On console - so something that adds skyshards & lorebooks to maps would be lovely (at moment use eso app on phone and is spectacularly easy but hey)

There is a difference between achievements that I think is crucial. Titles for completing content should always be character bound - how can a char that had never done pvp be Emperor? My sorc has cleared vet hel ra but my main stamblade hasn’t (yet!) - I don’t want him to have the title unless I have earned it on that character.

But I can see the frustration for things that actually have a use - such as Mage / Fighters guild, psijiic or Undaunted. (Finding lore books for Mage’s is one of the most annoying things on console). But I am still not convinced by the arguements. I appreciate it may be a bit of a bother to have to run around & do quests/exploration etc when all you want to do is endlessly repeat dungeons & trials but this is an RPGMMO & so the questing matters.

Yes, Zos “could” possibly toggle this somehow but it’s not as important as fixing other things in the game. (Cyrodiil lag for starters)

Shhhhh you ... You're a mental and you're wrong xx

kargen27 · January 2019

Odnoc wrote: »

Just play the game and have fun? Not sure why people worry about achievements on other characters when they probably don't have them all on one anyhow.

What many mean when they say achievements is they want the rewards the achievements bring. They want to start a new character and have all the skyshards and lore books already found.

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2019

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

Odnoc wrote: »

Just play the game and have fun? Not sure why people worry about achievements on other characters when they probably don't have them all on one anyhow.

so imma break it to you then...im almost done with all achievements and this is the main reason why I dont play any of my alts to begin with.
some people are completionists and like to have every.single.thing.

Sounds like a psychological issue. You admit to basically having everything on your main but still feel the need to chase that carrot on others? Maybe this isnt an issue with the game... Maybe its an issue with those of you that feel compelled to stay on that wheel long after its served its purpose.

theyancey · January 2019

This is what drops off the south end of a north bound guar. No, just no.

Edziu · January 2019

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

Odnoc wrote: »

Just play the game and have fun? Not sure why people worry about achievements on other characters when they probably don't have them all on one anyhow.

so imma break it to you then...im almost done with all achievements and this is the main reason why I dont play any of my alts to begin with.
some people are completionists and like to have every.single.thing.

Sounds like a psychological issue. You admit to basically having everything on your main but still feel the need to chase that carrot on others? Maybe this isnt an issue with the game... Maybe its an issue with those of you that feel compelled to stay on that wheel long after its served its purpose.

so being completionist is psychological problem?
so as we have many achievements here it is not normal to wanting to complete them all whiel they are able?

and yes, I have completed many acheivements, many very hard and probably not only once on single character so why I need to complete even again on every new character which I will create?
that wont be problem if we had cap for character as many classes we have but we can get much more characters and yu know?

as I would be at end of acheivements hunting (my own player progress) I see my alts really naked, empty and *** in compare to my main and while seeing this I just lose interest of playing these alts as how much I have acheived before but this dont cont anymore if I dont want to play this single character

EDIT: and to this psychological issue for being completionist...if you have test then you try to fail few questions to be sure you dont get max points and be normal or you also have psychological issue of wanting to get all possible points to get the best grade?

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · January 2019

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

Odnoc wrote: »

Just play the game and have fun? Not sure why people worry about achievements on other characters when they probably don't have them all on one anyhow.

so imma break it to you then...im almost done with all achievements and this is the main reason why I dont play any of my alts to begin with.
some people are completionists and like to have every.single.thing.

Sounds like a psychological issue. You admit to basically having everything on your main but still feel the need to chase that carrot on others? Maybe this isnt an issue with the game... Maybe its an issue with those of you that feel compelled to stay on that wheel long after its served its purpose.

im sry that I want proof of my achieved goals...im sure next time you win a prize you will just pass it over since you have no use for it...that of course if you are sane since me and many others suffer from psychological diseases.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · January 2019

@Edziu he basically insulted every single completionist and achievement hunter in the game...I foresee a lot of toilet paper around his house tonight from "unknown psychological disordered people" ;3

Cpt_Teemo · January 2019

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

The only thing from Achievements I see that should be account wide are titles. Achievement Dye's are already account wide, why not the titles?

And all consumeables and traits now tbh, since traits don't really mean anything anymore

Siohwenoeht · January 2019

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

The only thing from Achievements I see that should be account wide are titles. Achievement Dye's are already account wide, why not the titles?

And all consumeables and traits now tbh, since traits don't really mean anything anymore

How do traits not matter? You need them for master writs.

Food/drink recipes work like motifs, the more you know increases your master writ drop rate...

Cpt_Teemo · January 2019

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

The only thing from Achievements I see that should be account wide are titles. Achievement Dye's are already account wide, why not the titles?

And all consumeables and traits now tbh, since traits don't really mean anything anymore

How do traits not matter? You need them for master writs.

Food/drink recipes work like motifs, the more you know increases your master writ drop rate...

I get less master writs on my main crafter than I do on my alts with no knowledge and no traits which is funny

Emmagoldman · January 2019

Tandor wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

The player did the achievments and it should be universal.

I dont like to be penalized because I chose to do some content on different alts.

Justice, thieves, blackhand on my stamblade

Wrothgar on my stamdk

Morrowind with my warden

Murkmire with my argonian.

I also hate that achievments are also locked in motifs. Sorry, my crafter learns the motifs, not the toon doing the content

I take precisely the opposite viewpoint from you, but from exactly the same position. Like you, I choose to do some content on different alts. Unlike you, I don't want an alt who doesn't do a specific part of the content to share in the achievements for that content. My lawful good templar avoids the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content, for example, and shouldn't receive the achievements for it just because my nightblade assassin has done it.

PC-based RPGs are very different to the standard console fare, and are very much character-based whereas a lot of console games are player-based. That difference lies at the heart of a lot of the discussions held on this subject.

I think that is what has been the difference. The hardcore role players see it through the lens of their toon, while others, such as myself, don’t see things through their toon, but through themselves. Regardless of my toon, everything is done by me. Just curious, do you send your motifs to a crafter or have it spread out between the toons? A mag toon that is your enhancer and another is a woodworker?

I don’t feel the game achievements should be centered on that view, but I hope your able to enjoy the rpg element

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · January 2019

@Cpt_Teemo welcome to my world...