Is unkillable tank in PVP still possible?
Mariusghost84
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Ive seen countless videoes on youtube of tanks being able to tank 10+ oponents. Is this still possible, or has there been some changes that made that playstyle impossible? Im at the points in PVP where i obly enjoy beying a tank ( DK, 45k HP, max resistances ) as im really hard to kill and seem to win 8/10 BGs while im on that char. For some reason people always attack me, even though they dont have to, and by popping shields and healing i contribute to the team im in.
I really like that playstyle, but im certainly not unkillable.
1. Is it possible to have a build which makes me impossible to kill?
2. Is permablocking still a thing? Is that what makes some tanks unkillable?
3. Has there been some kind of nerf to prevent that kind of playstyle?
I really like that playstyle, but im certainly not unkillable.
1. Is it possible to have a build which makes me impossible to kill?
2. Is permablocking still a thing? Is that what makes some tanks unkillable?
3. Has there been some kind of nerf to prevent that kind of playstyle?
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SaintSubwayy✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mariusghost84 wrote: »
1. Is it possible to have a build which makes me impossible to kill?
2. Is permablocking still a thing? Is that what makes some tanks unkillable?
3. Has there been some kind of nerf to prevent that kind of playstyle?
1. Not really no, you can have a build which makes it so hard to get killed 1v1/2/3, that ppl may stop trying to kill you, since its so annoing that they justleave.
2. Permablocking has been nerfed heavily, while certain CC's have become unblockable (DK Fozzilize for Example) to force you to dropp your block. Maybe with the 4.3.0 Patch, there's an Ultigen Build which may let you have nearly Permablock (but still the unblockable CC remains)
3....well already answered in 2 -> unblockable CC
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Mariusghost84 wrote: »Ive seen countless videoes on youtube of tanks being able to tank 10+ oponents. Is this still possible, or has there been some changes that made that playstyle impossible? Im at the points in PVP where i obly enjoy beying a tank ( DK, 45k HP, max resistances ) as im really hard to kill and seem to win 8/10 BGs while im on that char. For some reason people always attack me, even though they dont have to, and by popping shields and healing i contribute to the team im in.
I really like that playstyle, but im certainly not unkillable.
1. Is it possible to have a build which makes me impossible to kill?
2. Is permablocking still a thing? Is that what makes some tanks unkillable?
3. Has there been some kind of nerf to prevent that kind of playstyle?
Just out of curiosity, what build are you using?0 -
Mariusghost84✭✭✭✭✭Mariusghost84 wrote: »Ive seen countless videoes on youtube of tanks being able to tank 10+ oponents. Is this still possible, or has there been some changes that made that playstyle impossible? Im at the points in PVP where i obly enjoy beying a tank ( DK, 45k HP, max resistances ) as im really hard to kill and seem to win 8/10 BGs while im on that char. For some reason people always attack me, even though they dont have to, and by popping shields and healing i contribute to the team im in.
I really like that playstyle, but im certainly not unkillable.
1. Is it possible to have a build which makes me impossible to kill?
2. Is permablocking still a thing? Is that what makes some tanks unkillable?
3. Has there been some kind of nerf to prevent that kind of playstyle?
Just out of curiosity, what build are you using?
Ive spent a lot of time on this build, and untill i get better at PVP with my other chars this is the only way i can actually enjoy and contribute in BGs. Check it out
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor?id=1053370 -
Mariusghost84✭✭✭✭✭SaintSubwayy wrote: »Mariusghost84 wrote: »
1. Is it possible to have a build which makes me impossible to kill?
2. Is permablocking still a thing? Is that what makes some tanks unkillable?
3. Has there been some kind of nerf to prevent that kind of playstyle?
1. Not really no, you can have a build which makes it so hard to get killed 1v1/2/3, that ppl may stop trying to kill you, since its so annoing that they justleave.
2. Permablocking has been nerfed heavily, while certain CC's have become unblockable (DK Fozzilize for Example) to force you to dropp your block. Maybe with the 4.3.0 Patch, there's an Ultigen Build which may let you have nearly Permablock (but still the unblockable CC remains)
3....well already answered in 2 -> unblockable CC
Thanks. Thats good to know! What ultigen are you referring to btw?0 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Only if you out put zero damage and are tanking really inexperienced players for the most part. Otherwise you might be able to hold off a few good players. 1v1 sure, but what’s the point? I haven’t seen a truly unkillable tank for a while. I beleive the people that say they encounter “unkillable” tanks because for them it’s true. They’re just unwilling to beleive or acknowledge that their build and skill level is inadequate. For the most part people just get angry when they try to kill one person for a long time, fail, and then get run over by reinforcements.Edited by Vapirko on January 22, 2019 10:19AM1 -
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SaintSubwayy✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mariusghost84 wrote: »SaintSubwayy wrote: »Mariusghost84 wrote: »
1. Is it possible to have a build which makes me impossible to kill?
2. Is permablocking still a thing? Is that what makes some tanks unkillable?
3. Has there been some kind of nerf to prevent that kind of playstyle?
1. Not really no, you can have a build which makes it so hard to get killed 1v1/2/3, that ppl may stop trying to kill you, since its so annoing that they justleave.
2. Permablocking has been nerfed heavily, while certain CC's have become unblockable (DK Fozzilize for Example) to force you to dropp your block. Maybe with the 4.3.0 Patch, there's an Ultigen Build which may let you have nearly Permablock (but still the unblockable CC remains)
3....well already answered in 2 -> unblockable CC
Thanks. Thats good to know! What ultigen are you referring to btw?
was something like, Nord combined with Ultcost reduction / ultigen sets....dunno the excat build...
The ide is to block as much dmg as possible, till your SnB ult is ready again....rinse and repeatPC EU
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Absolutely, some play support tanks in a group which has its use, but by and large I’m willing to bet that these “unkillable” tanks that people get so frustrated at could be straight up ignored most of the time. Going all aggro on them is just what new players do, I remember getting sucked into that trap back in the day.2 -
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✭Why do you have "Inner Beast" slotted in pvp? O_o
It does no damage and you don't have a set that would give your teammates damage reduction from whoever you taunt. Is it just to give resources to your teammates through synergy?0 -
Mariusghost84✭✭✭✭✭InvictusApollo wrote: »Why do you have "Inner Beast" slotted in pvp? O_o
It does no damage and you don't have a set that would give your teammates damage reduction from whoever you taunt. Is it just to give resources to your teammates through synergy?
I use that char to pve mailny. I switch that skill out with wings in pvp 0 -
Crixus8000✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's not possible. It works well against people who lack cc that ignore block and dots that ignore block, for example people just spamming direct hits aren't going to do anything and it would be easy to tank 10-20 of these players, yet a single bleedblade will give you so much trouble, even kill you in a 1v1 at least in no cp.2 -
Muskrap✭✭✭Crixus8000 wrote: »It's not possible. It works well against people who lack cc that ignore block and dots that ignore block, for example people just spamming direct hits aren't going to do anything and it would be easy to tank 10-20 of these players, yet a single bleedblade will give you so much trouble, even kill you in a 1v1 at least in no cp.
As it should. People that build for tanking and not killing players is whats ruining pvp0 -
Crixus8000✭✭✭✭✭
✭Crixus8000 wrote: »It's not possible. It works well against people who lack cc that ignore block and dots that ignore block, for example people just spamming direct hits aren't going to do anything and it would be easy to tank 10-20 of these players, yet a single bleedblade will give you so much trouble, even kill you in a 1v1 at least in no cp.
As it should. People that build for tanking and not killing players is whats ruining pvp
Tbh I think the same for the damage part. I would rather meet a tank I can't kill than a full bleed, defile proc build that ignores my roll/block, resists and hots and just melts me. At least you can walk away from a tank. But yes I can see how niether are fun to fight.
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NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭"Unkillable" tanks still exist... although they aren't actually unkillable, they do die eventually or under coordinated pressure.
However they only have value to their faction if you don't ignore them. A tank which is less durable but providing significant heals or effectively controlling the enemy has more value.
Pro tips: chaining/leashing enemy players out of aoes or right before a DD drops their burst on them is not effective control, it's annoying and outright harmful. Also, don't run around handing out free CC immunity, which inhibits DD burst rotations. In short, tank WITH you team not just randomly do tank things.3 -
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✭I had been using this for a while, ended up switching impregnable out for transmutation but definitely felt tanky.
https://youtu.be/u7S3YEVagfQ Edited by Casul on January 23, 2019 5:22PMPvP needs more love.0
