Dissenting views are a part of life, friend. It's rather troublesome to think we might not want them to exist.

A lot depends on context.

A flat "Don't like it? Leave it." Is rarely helpful or constructive to a good discussion.

On the other hand, a reasonable "This feature is working as intended as far as we know, and its probably prohibitive for the devs to change it even if they wanted to, so if this is a breaking point for you, you might really consider finding other games because this one is what it is in regards to your problem." Says more or less the same thing in a slightly more constructive manner.

I mean, we see people threatening to quit or conplaining about everything from serious stuff, to wanting practically a whole new game, to beating dead horses, to L2Play issues, and, well, practically anything on the forums on a regular basis.

At some point, the only practical answer to some posters is the traditional farewell from the forums: "ESO isn't likely to give you what you want. If that's your breaking point, goodbye, and can we have Your stuff?"

The gaming community as a whole is toxic in general, but I'm not so sure having a censored and "sanitized" forum filled with sunshine and lolipops is the way to go.

As long as the Internet exists, there will always be some saltiness huddled among the praise and criticisms.

andreasv wrote: »

Don't like the forum - Then go to another forum and ... No, just kiddin.

I agree with you. The ESO community has been the most averse / afraid of change gaming community I've seen. I understand that the game tries to avoid to be a copy of other (successful) MMOs. And god forbid you found something in another game and would like something similar in ESO. If you make such a suggestion it's "Why don't you play this game" posters farming likes and awesomes all day.

But maybe it also shows a certain lack of confidence in the developers.

To be honest, I never really understood the whole "This other game does it this way!" argument.

If its iconic to that game, ESO isn't going to copy it.

If its not iconic, ESO would still have to invest the time, money, and developer effort to do it, and that's a more significant hurdle than most players assume. Change doesn't happen without effort and good reason to do it (and potential profits), and many players making suggestions fail to articulate it beyond "This other game does it, its awesome, ESO should do it too."

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VaranisArano wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

Don't like the forum - Then go to another forum and ... No, just kiddin.

I agree with you. The ESO community has been the most averse / afraid of change gaming community I've seen. I understand that the game tries to avoid to be a copy of other (successful) MMOs. And god forbid you found something in another game and would like something similar in ESO. If you make such a suggestion it's "Why don't you play this game" posters farming likes and awesomes all day.

But maybe it also shows a certain lack of confidence in the developers.

To be honest, I never really understood the whole "This other game does it this way!" argument.

If its iconic to that game, ESO isn't going to copy it.

If its not iconic, ESO would still have to invest the time, money, and developer effort to do it, and that's a more significant hurdle than most players assume. Change doesn't happen without effort and good reason to do it (and potential profits), and many players making suggestions fail to articulate it beyond "This other game does it, its awesome, ESO should do it too."

Of course there's an effort that comes with change. It's sad, however, if the community argues against change because it's too much effort for the developers. But I guess it depends on what's asked for, e.g. a recent post has suggested changing the engine. Granted, that's too much change for a marginal improvement.

But I don't see anything wrong in getting ideas from other games. I'd love to see a similar approach to housing as in FFXIV. I'd also love to see more mounts rewarded from dungeons or other challenging content in the game. There's nothing wrong with suggesting / discussing those things, just because other MMOs are doing them.

weedgenius wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

CaineCarver wrote: »

I have noticed that constructive posts are many times met with a reply that straight out tells the poster if they don't like something about the game they should quit playing it. This has happened to me many times over the years and I see it every day many times on the forums. I don't know about others but many times I just don't post my views or opinions because all I want to do is reply to these jerks and tell them to kiss my ... nevermind LOL. But if I did reply in my own defense many times the reply would be viewed as negative and unconstructive, possibly even pulled or more, getting the discussion locked even. My point here is allowing this type of harassment probably hurts the free flow of ideas that could benefit the game. Perhaps these type of "love it or leave it" posts should be met with the same hammer as my desired reply.

Eh, nobody on forums cares about constructive posting or else, people mostly want lulz, want their main toon become stronger and to keep things from big changes, since those big changes are mostly nerfs with something new buffed considerably to shake the meta.

Can confirm. I'm here for the lulz.

I'm here for the articles

Cadbury wrote: »

weedgenius wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

CaineCarver wrote: »

I have noticed that constructive posts are many times met with a reply that straight out tells the poster if they don't like something about the game they should quit playing it. This has happened to me many times over the years and I see it every day many times on the forums. I don't know about others but many times I just don't post my views or opinions because all I want to do is reply to these jerks and tell them to kiss my ... nevermind LOL. But if I did reply in my own defense many times the reply would be viewed as negative and unconstructive, possibly even pulled or more, getting the discussion locked even. My point here is allowing this type of harassment probably hurts the free flow of ideas that could benefit the game. Perhaps these type of "love it or leave it" posts should be met with the same hammer as my desired reply.

Eh, nobody on forums cares about constructive posting or else, people mostly want lulz, want their main toon become stronger and to keep things from big changes, since those big changes are mostly nerfs with something new buffed considerably to shake the meta.

Can confirm. I'm here for the lulz.

I'm here for the articles

Wait....there are Articles!? I only come for the pictures & gifs...