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Imperial Race Changes...Devs please hear me out
GallantGuardian
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So i like that you added “ Reduces the cost of your Block and Bash abilities by 5%.” But where its at and how it is used makes it not even really that sought after...
Put it under “Toughness” that way we dont have to wait for it to proc
Just seems silly Imperial is the only race as of right now that needs to be purchased
And it has the most bland racial passives (although good) still bland and then you finally add somethin that makes it worth while and throw a proc on it.. please put it under toughness where it actually sounds like it belongs...
Put it under “Toughness” that way we dont have to wait for it to proc
Just seems silly Imperial is the only race as of right now that needs to be purchased
And it has the most bland racial passives (although good) still bland and then you finally add somethin that makes it worth while and throw a proc on it.. please put it under toughness where it actually sounds like it belongs...
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Beardimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I agree its weird. But if they were too good people would cry P2W. They need more tho as still very niche and just not great at much. Odd.Xbox One | EU | EP
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Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Remove the paywall for Imperial if there isn’t going to be anything special about them. I don’t want my Imperial to be a tank.PS4 Pro NA5 -
Jamdarius✭✭✭✭✭GallantGuardian wrote: »So i like that you added “ Reduces the cost of your Block and Bash abilities by 5%.” But where its at and how it is used makes it not even really that sought after...
Put it under “Toughness” that way we dont have to wait for it to proc
Just seems silly Imperial is the only race as of right now that needs to be purchased
And it has the most bland racial passives (although good) still bland and then you finally add somethin that makes it worth while and throw a proc on it.. please put it under toughness where it actually sounds like it belongs...
15% chance to heal on bow light attack (or any direct damage attack *cough* DK/Warden/NB *cough*) by 1750 health with and Reduces the cost of your Block and Bash abilities by 5% as 1 passive, 2 me it seems perfectly balanced if not overpowered.0 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What I think is funny is they said in their intro that they wanted to move away from percentage based passives, yet they add in 5% block/bash reduction instead of a flat amount.PC-NA Goat4 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭I agree. Imperial was advertised snd sold under those stats. They were hardy. But now devs decided to make them ever so mediocre.
There needs to be comparable flat numbers since considering you decided to nerf then into oblivion but received top dollar for purchase.
Fair exchange.4 -
ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭I'm quite sure the block passives are permanent and don't need to proc. Otherwise they would have added duration.2
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richo262✭✭✭✭✭
✭If they made the Imperial good, they'd be accused of pay to win. If they made it free, they'd irritate many that bought it and supported ZOS.
ZOS is in an impossible situation.0 -
Leogon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Red Diamond should work kinda like Adrenaline Rush but instead of getting stam back when you do damage, you would get health back when you take damage.Edited by Leogon on January 18, 2019 12:13AM0 -
Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭If they made the Imperial good, they'd be accused of pay to win. If they made it free, they'd irritate many that bought it and supported ZOS.
ZOS is in an impossible situation.
They would only be accused of pay to win if they made Imperial better or first choice over anything else. It should be just as good as everything else.PS4 Pro NA1 -
richo262✭✭✭✭✭
✭If they made the Imperial good, they'd be accused of pay to win. If they made it free, they'd irritate many that bought it and supported ZOS.
ZOS is in an impossible situation.
They would only be accused of pay to win if they made Imperial better or first choice over anything else. It should be just as good as everything else.
Exactly, so the Imperial is always destined to be at most 2nd place.
It would be impossible to make it 'as good as', that is a very fine line, where half would say it is not as good, half would say it is better. The half saying it is better will accuse ZOS of pay to win. Imperial will always be a clear 2nd place (or 3rd place) to other races.Edited by richo262 on January 18, 2019 12:26AM0 -
Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭If they made the Imperial good, they'd be accused of pay to win. If they made it free, they'd irritate many that bought it and supported ZOS.
ZOS is in an impossible situation.
They would only be accused of pay to win if they made Imperial better or first choice over anything else. It should be just as good as everything else.
Exactly, so the Imperial is always destined to be at most 2nd place.
It would be impossible to make it 'as good as', that is a very fine line, where half would say it is not as good, half would say it is better. The half saying it is better will accuse ZOS of pay to win. Imperial will always be a clear 2nd place (or 3rd place) to other races.
From what I am reading from others, it will only be viable as a tank now? That doesn’t sound appealing at all.PS4 Pro NA1 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's a flat passive. You do not need to proc it.
And to the guy who was complaining about percentage modifiers, there is a difference between applying them to additive and subtractive stats. You get the most benefit from max resource % passive then you have high resources. On the other hand you will get the most from cost reduction passive by investing nothing in other sources of block cost reduction.Edited by Royaji on January 18, 2019 12:30AM0 -
richo262✭✭✭✭✭
✭If they made the Imperial good, they'd be accused of pay to win. If they made it free, they'd irritate many that bought it and supported ZOS.
ZOS is in an impossible situation.
They would only be accused of pay to win if they made Imperial better or first choice over anything else. It should be just as good as everything else.
Exactly, so the Imperial is always destined to be at most 2nd place.
It would be impossible to make it 'as good as', that is a very fine line, where half would say it is not as good, half would say it is better. The half saying it is better will accuse ZOS of pay to win. Imperial will always be a clear 2nd place (or 3rd place) to other races.
From what I am reading from others, it will only be viable as a tank now? That doesn’t sound appealing at all.
Pretty much, although it was always a HP orientated character. So it was a tank before, and still is a tank.
I suspect with Nords ulti management, the Nord will outpace the Imperial, Argonians have resource management. Imperials, block cost reduction.
Argonians still generate resources massively off a pot, so it outpaces the Imp block cost reduction.
Nord DK's will be popping huge resource regen after they use an ulti, so it outpaces the imp block cost reduction.
Argonians and Nords are the best tanks by far. Nords DK's might be better than Argonians now, given their resource regen is now linked an ulti that will pop more frequently.
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Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If they made the Imperial good, they'd be accused of pay to win. If they made it free, they'd irritate many that bought it and supported ZOS.
ZOS is in an impossible situation.
They would only be accused of pay to win if they made Imperial better or first choice over anything else. It should be just as good as everything else.
Exactly, so the Imperial is always destined to be at most 2nd place.
It would be impossible to make it 'as good as', that is a very fine line, where half would say it is not as good, half would say it is better. The half saying it is better will accuse ZOS of pay to win. Imperial will always be a clear 2nd place (or 3rd place) to other races.
From what I am reading from others, it will only be viable as a tank now? That doesn’t sound appealing at all.
That was always the case though. With a massive bonus to health Imperials were never able to compete in "the best DPS" race well, race. Imperials never had a sustain passive either. They make good tanks and solid PvP characters for players who prefer a bit more raw resources over fancy conditional passives. Not a terrible DD either if you are looking for something with a bit more in-built health over "max deeps" numbers.0 -
Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭If they made the Imperial good, they'd be accused of pay to win. If they made it free, they'd irritate many that bought it and supported ZOS.
ZOS is in an impossible situation.
They would only be accused of pay to win if they made Imperial better or first choice over anything else. It should be just as good as everything else.
Exactly, so the Imperial is always destined to be at most 2nd place.
It would be impossible to make it 'as good as', that is a very fine line, where half would say it is not as good, half would say it is better. The half saying it is better will accuse ZOS of pay to win. Imperial will always be a clear 2nd place (or 3rd place) to other races.
From what I am reading from others, it will only be viable as a tank now? That doesn’t sound appealing at all.
That was always the case though. With a massive bonus to health Imperials were never able to compete in "the best DPS" race well, race. Imperials never had a sustain passive either. They make good tanks and solid PvP characters for players who prefer a bit more raw resources over fancy conditional passives. Not a terrible DD either if you are looking for something with a bit more in-built health over "max deeps" numbers.
Yeah but is it being completely knocked off of the list of a viable race choice for DD characters?PS4 Pro NA0 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If they made the Imperial good, they'd be accused of pay to win. If they made it free, they'd irritate many that bought it and supported ZOS.
ZOS is in an impossible situation.
They would only be accused of pay to win if they made Imperial better or first choice over anything else. It should be just as good as everything else.
Exactly, so the Imperial is always destined to be at most 2nd place.
It would be impossible to make it 'as good as', that is a very fine line, where half would say it is not as good, half would say it is better. The half saying it is better will accuse ZOS of pay to win. Imperial will always be a clear 2nd place (or 3rd place) to other races.
From what I am reading from others, it will only be viable as a tank now? That doesn’t sound appealing at all.
That was always the case though. With a massive bonus to health Imperials were never able to compete in "the best DPS" race well, race. Imperials never had a sustain passive either. They make good tanks and solid PvP characters for players who prefer a bit more raw resources over fancy conditional passives. Not a terrible DD either if you are looking for something with a bit more in-built health over "max deeps" numbers.
Yeah but is it being completely knocked off of the list of a viable race choice for DD characters?
You can't get knocked off of something you never were on.0 -
dodgehopper_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If they made the Imperial good, they'd be accused of pay to win. If they made it free, they'd irritate many that bought it and supported ZOS.
ZOS is in an impossible situation.
They would only be accused of pay to win if they made Imperial better or first choice over anything else. It should be just as good as everything else.
Exactly, so the Imperial is always destined to be at most 2nd place.
It would be impossible to make it 'as good as', that is a very fine line, where half would say it is not as good, half would say it is better. The half saying it is better will accuse ZOS of pay to win. Imperial will always be a clear 2nd place (or 3rd place) to other races.
From what I am reading from others, it will only be viable as a tank now? That doesn’t sound appealing at all.
That was always the case though. With a massive bonus to health Imperials were never able to compete in "the best DPS" race well, race. Imperials never had a sustain passive either. They make good tanks and solid PvP characters for players who prefer a bit more raw resources over fancy conditional passives. Not a terrible DD either if you are looking for something with a bit more in-built health over "max deeps" numbers.
Yeah but is it being completely knocked off of the list of a viable race choice for DD characters?
That's been the case for quite some time.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
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Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »If they made the Imperial good, they'd be accused of pay to win. If they made it free, they'd irritate many that bought it and supported ZOS.
ZOS is in an impossible situation.
They would only be accused of pay to win if they made Imperial better or first choice over anything else. It should be just as good as everything else.
Exactly, so the Imperial is always destined to be at most 2nd place.
It would be impossible to make it 'as good as', that is a very fine line, where half would say it is not as good, half would say it is better. The half saying it is better will accuse ZOS of pay to win. Imperial will always be a clear 2nd place (or 3rd place) to other races.
From what I am reading from others, it will only be viable as a tank now? That doesn’t sound appealing at all.
That was always the case though. With a massive bonus to health Imperials were never able to compete in "the best DPS" race well, race. Imperials never had a sustain passive either. They make good tanks and solid PvP characters for players who prefer a bit more raw resources over fancy conditional passives. Not a terrible DD either if you are looking for something with a bit more in-built health over "max deeps" numbers.
Yeah but is it being completely knocked off of the list of a viable race choice for DD characters?
That's been the case for quite some time.If they made the Imperial good, they'd be accused of pay to win. If they made it free, they'd irritate many that bought it and supported ZOS.
ZOS is in an impossible situation.
They would only be accused of pay to win if they made Imperial better or first choice over anything else. It should be just as good as everything else.
Exactly, so the Imperial is always destined to be at most 2nd place.
It would be impossible to make it 'as good as', that is a very fine line, where half would say it is not as good, half would say it is better. The half saying it is better will accuse ZOS of pay to win. Imperial will always be a clear 2nd place (or 3rd place) to other races.
From what I am reading from others, it will only be viable as a tank now? That doesn’t sound appealing at all.
That was always the case though. With a massive bonus to health Imperials were never able to compete in "the best DPS" race well, race. Imperials never had a sustain passive either. They make good tanks and solid PvP characters for players who prefer a bit more raw resources over fancy conditional passives. Not a terrible DD either if you are looking for something with a bit more in-built health over "max deeps" numbers.
Yeah but is it being completely knocked off of the list of a viable race choice for DD characters?
You can't get knocked off of something you never were on.
That’s strange, because many builds I have seen for DDs include Imperial in the list for viable races. Never the best choice, of course.PS4 Pro NA1 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »If they made the Imperial good, they'd be accused of pay to win. If they made it free, they'd irritate many that bought it and supported ZOS.
ZOS is in an impossible situation.
They would only be accused of pay to win if they made Imperial better or first choice over anything else. It should be just as good as everything else.
Exactly, so the Imperial is always destined to be at most 2nd place.
It would be impossible to make it 'as good as', that is a very fine line, where half would say it is not as good, half would say it is better. The half saying it is better will accuse ZOS of pay to win. Imperial will always be a clear 2nd place (or 3rd place) to other races.
From what I am reading from others, it will only be viable as a tank now? That doesn’t sound appealing at all.
That was always the case though. With a massive bonus to health Imperials were never able to compete in "the best DPS" race well, race. Imperials never had a sustain passive either. They make good tanks and solid PvP characters for players who prefer a bit more raw resources over fancy conditional passives. Not a terrible DD either if you are looking for something with a bit more in-built health over "max deeps" numbers.
Yeah but is it being completely knocked off of the list of a viable race choice for DD characters?
That's been the case for quite some time.If they made the Imperial good, they'd be accused of pay to win. If they made it free, they'd irritate many that bought it and supported ZOS.
ZOS is in an impossible situation.
They would only be accused of pay to win if they made Imperial better or first choice over anything else. It should be just as good as everything else.
Exactly, so the Imperial is always destined to be at most 2nd place.
It would be impossible to make it 'as good as', that is a very fine line, where half would say it is not as good, half would say it is better. The half saying it is better will accuse ZOS of pay to win. Imperial will always be a clear 2nd place (or 3rd place) to other races.
From what I am reading from others, it will only be viable as a tank now? That doesn’t sound appealing at all.
That was always the case though. With a massive bonus to health Imperials were never able to compete in "the best DPS" race well, race. Imperials never had a sustain passive either. They make good tanks and solid PvP characters for players who prefer a bit more raw resources over fancy conditional passives. Not a terrible DD either if you are looking for something with a bit more in-built health over "max deeps" numbers.
Yeah but is it being completely knocked off of the list of a viable race choice for DD characters?
You can't get knocked off of something you never were on.
That’s strange, because many builds I have seen for DDs include Imperial in the list for viable races. Never the best choice, of course.
Noone says they are not viable. Imperial makes a fine DD if you want more health. I have an imperial stamDD and it is an enjoyable character since even with no points in health, dubious and seven medium my health sits at a comfotable 18k before ebon. It's a nice and relaxing DD I like running. But I will never outDPS a redguard who has to stay on his toes and barely scratches 16,5k with ebon.
But this is not something the DPS ladder accounts for.0 -
Lyserus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GallantGuardian wrote: »So i like that you added “ Reduces the cost of your Block and Bash abilities by 5%.” But where its at and how it is used makes it not even really that sought after...
Put it under “Toughness” that way we dont have to wait for it to proc
Just seems silly Imperial is the only race as of right now that needs to be purchased
And it has the most bland racial passives (although good) still bland and then you finally add somethin that makes it worth while and throw a proc on it.. please put it under toughness where it actually sounds like it belongs...
15% chance to heal on bow light attack (or any direct damage attack *cough* DK/Warden/NB *cough*) by 1750 health with and Reduces the cost of your Block and Bash abilities by 5% as 1 passive, 2 me it seems perfectly balanced if not overpowered.
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radiostar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Actually I started off my healer as an Imperial and she was very good, up until I think the CP was added. Through the Vet Ranks she was a great healer though. Now I would not use an Imperial to heal. This is for pve. Other than that, it was for a tank and they made pretty good ones but not the best."Billions upon Billions of Stars"0 -
Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Actually I started off my healer as an Imperial and she was very good, up until I think the CP was added. Through the Vet Ranks she was a great healer though. Now I would not use an Imperial to heal. This is for pve. Other than that, it was for a tank and they made pretty good ones but not the best.
Imperials, IMO, should be able to perform any role decently and their racial passives should encourage that.
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Mattock_Romulus✭✭✭✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »They get +1% gold though
Actually, it's now a flat rate of .02 gold per kill.0 -
markdeloma✭✭✭Actually, since this race is acquired FOR money, it should bring money.
All other versions of the scrolls presented the Imperials as a race with enhanced characteristics in trade:
Oblivion - Mercantile, Speechcraft, Personality (+10)
Morrowind - Mercantile, Speechcraft (+10)
Skyrim - Imperial Luck (nothing special but it's skyrim
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So why I don't have +10% for gold and only have absurd ridiculous 1%. Must be upgrated to 10 or removed as shameful thing.Head of Emerald Turtle1 -
XxCaLxX✭✭✭✭✭Ive had quite a few 590k vma scores with my Imperial stamsorc so to say it didnt compete with redguard or any other race is just inaccurate. These changes suck and are no more balanced than they were before. balance? nerf? hard to tell the difference anymore.1 -
Protossyder✭✭✭✭This is the "Dark Knight Rises"-Discussion all over again. No, it was not "You're a big guy - for you(me)", it was "It would be very painful - for you." Just learn to think (and read), [snip]
"Red Diamond: 10% Chance on Melee Attack to heal for 6% of Max Health → When you deal Direct Damage you have a 15% chance to heal for 1750. Reduces the cost of your Block and Bash abilities by 5%."
The passive "Red Diamond" reduces the cost of your Block and Bash abilities by 5%. It is not bound in any way to the proc chance. If it was (which is not the case), they would've included the duration of the cost reduction in the description, don't you think?
[edited to remove insulting language]Edited by ZOS_Ragnar on January 24, 2019 1:44PMCharacters worth mentioning:Daedrós - Magicka DK - Altmer - PvE & PvP - Emperor - IR - GH - TTTArenas: vDSA (~46k) - vMA (~586k)
Dragybor - Stamblade - Redguard - PvE (first char)
Yondaime Raikage - Stamsorc - Redguard - PvP
Zerg Overmind - Magblade - Altmer - PvE - GH
Yenari - Magsorc - Altmer - PvE - Flawless Conqueror
Devoured-his-siblings - DK Tank - Argonian - PvE - Unchained
Valkyrja Valhalla - StamDK - Redguard - PvE
Hyperion der Obere - Magplar - Altmer - PvE
Affa al'Dschinni - Stamplar - Orc - PvP
Enjoys-the-slaughter - Templar Healer - Argonian - PvE
Hades Adamastos - Stamcro - Orc - PvE
Khaba the Cruel - Magsorc- Altmer - PvP
Hekate Ourania - Magcro - Atlmer - PvE - TTT
Trials: vAA hm - vHRC hm - vSO hm - vMoL hm (~161k) - vHoF hm (~218k) - vAS+2 (~114k) - vCR+3 - vSS hm - vKA hm
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