I think the passives for Bosmer and Khajiit should be Switched around and there is a reason why.
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Cats have flexiblity, with their tails, I think they would make the best acrobats. While Bosmer, are smaller so they can blend in hide a lot easier. Bosmer should have Stealthy, Decreased Detection. And Khajiits should have Decreased fall damage taken by 10% Along with the new speed increases bosmer might be getting. Khajiits should be the acrobats, and Bosmer should be the Cutpurse thieves as Thievery is a big thing among Bosmer Culture. Also Khajiit should get Stealth Detection. Why? Because Khajiit like cats would have very good senses, they would be able to sniff out people hiding anywhere near them. Bosmer do not have this. So one thing that has bothered me is the total switch around with the two races of what their passives should be. For a while I have felt they have gotten the two races wrong. Bosmer should have bonus to pickpocketing and stealth as they would have a much easier time at not being spotted and Khajiit at least the type that is playable in the game should have Agility,Acrobatics and Athletics.
Though Khajiit can be thieves and Drug Runners. There culture is not about making skooma or sneaking but living the path of the moons. They are also very cat like, I've seen how impressive my own cats have been able to jump and for their senses cats have very good sense of smell one can even find the Qtips hidden under my covers that is how good a khajiit sense of smell might be. I do think they need to be switched around. Bosmer should have bonus to Pickpocket, and Khajiit should have decrease in fall damage. Khajiit should get the stealth detection and Bosmer the decreased chance of detection. How can Bosmer be able to sense people that are sneaking up on them as good as a khajiit?
What are your thoughts? There is some information about cat senses that I linked below as well as some copy pasted text from there that would be a big thing in stealth detection that the bosmer just does not have.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_senses
A domestic cat's sense of smell is about fourteen times as strong as humans'.[dubious – discuss][15] Cats have twice as many receptors[16] in the olfactory epithelium (i.e. smell-sensitive cells in their noses) as people do, meaning that cats have a more acute sense of smell than humans. In fact cats have 200 million odor-sensitive cells in their noses where as humans only have 5 million odor-sensitive cells.
Whiskers also aid in hunting. High speed photography reveals that when a cat is unable to see its prey because it is too close to its mouth, its whiskers move so as to form a basket shape around its muzzle in order to precisely detect the prey's location.
Edited by Thevampirenight on January 17, 2019 9:28AM Though Khajiit can be thieves and Drug Runners. There culture is not about making skooma or sneaking but living the path of the moons. They are also very cat like, I've seen how impressive my own cats have been able to jump and for their senses cats have very good sense of smell one can even find the Qtips hidden under my covers that is how good a khajiit sense of smell might be. I do think they need to be switched around. Bosmer should have bonus to Pickpocket, and Khajiit should have decrease in fall damage. Khajiit should get the stealth detection and Bosmer the decreased chance of detection. How can Bosmer be able to sense people that are sneaking up on them as good as a khajiit?
What are your thoughts? There is some information about cat senses that I linked below as well as some copy pasted text from there that would be a big thing in stealth detection that the bosmer just does not have.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_senses
A domestic cat's sense of smell is about fourteen times as strong as humans'.[dubious – discuss][15] Cats have twice as many receptors[16] in the olfactory epithelium (i.e. smell-sensitive cells in their noses) as people do, meaning that cats have a more acute sense of smell than humans. In fact cats have 200 million odor-sensitive cells in their noses where as humans only have 5 million odor-sensitive cells.
Whiskers also aid in hunting. High speed photography reveals that when a cat is unable to see its prey because it is too close to its mouth, its whiskers move so as to form a basket shape around its muzzle in order to precisely detect the prey's location.
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✭Feline are predator, they hide and stay undetected by prey when they hunt.
The bonus stealth feet them perfectly well.
For the Lore, even if all Khajiit are not thiefs, they'r well know for that accros tamriel, that mean they'r a lot of them OR they'r good at.
They should have let them both this passive.
I'm more worried about the 75 rec on Khajiit to be honest.
Edited by Aznarb on January 17, 2019 10:04AM[ PC EU ]
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✭✭✭I think the reduced fall damage should be on Khajiits too - cats almost always land on their feet after falling, and as such, can survive surprisingly large falls.RIP Atherton, my beautiful little gentle friend. I will miss you forever. Without you I am a hollow shell.4 -
Undefwun✭✭✭✭✭because you play a Bosmer and want to be faster AND sneakier?
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✭Naah. Khajiits are fine, get your paws off my passives.PC - EU - France - AD
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✭Bosmer should have an edge in pickpocketing as well. But ZOS apparently doesn’t want Khajiit and Bosmer to share any bonuses so they just gutted all the stealth flavor out of Bosmer.
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✭I'm more worried about the 75 rec on Khajiit to be honest.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5735964/#Comment_5735964actually, I've put some numbers into the racials thread (and was corrected afterwards), and it seems that flat 75 regen is a buff to sustain as long as build stays under ~1.27k base regen (before percentage buffs), which would mean that most imaginable PvE khajiit stamina builds just got a slight sustain improvement.1 -
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✭✭WOW AMAZING. That whopping -10% fall damage is OP!
Well this is how they were described in oblivion.
Khajiit are one of the humanoid races which inhabit the continent of Tamriel, primarily their home province of Elsweyr. The Khajiit found in Cyrodiil are mainly Cathay. Many of these Khajiit disdain weapons in favor of their claws.
Unmatched by any other race in acrobatic ability and agility, Khajiit excel at stealth classes such as the Thief, Acrobat, or Monk.
You think bosmer would be able to jump like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VBriRtl_aM Edited by Thevampirenight on January 17, 2019 12:34PMPC NA
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✭✭✭Really bad idea (already wrote that in your other thread) because you would lock the Bosmer race into the nightblade class only. Also the passive would be far too weak to compete with Orc and Redguard.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.0 -
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Khajiits should be able to jump like that.Thevampirenight wrote: »WOW AMAZING. That whopping -10% fall damage is OP!
Well this is how they were described in oblivion.
Khajiit are one of the humanoid races which inhabit the continent of Tamriel, primarily their home province of Elsweyr. The Khajiit found in Cyrodiil are mainly Cathay. Many of these Khajiit disdain weapons in favor of their claws.
Unmatched by any other race in acrobatic ability and agility, Khajiit excel at stealth classes such as the Thief, Acrobat, or Monk.
You think bosmer would be able to jump like this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VBriRtl_aM
This will be an buff then taking keeps also in some dungeons for skipping mobs.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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Khajiits should be able to jump like that.Thevampirenight wrote: »WOW AMAZING. That whopping -10% fall damage is OP!
Well this is how they were described in oblivion.
Khajiit are one of the humanoid races which inhabit the continent of Tamriel, primarily their home province of Elsweyr. The Khajiit found in Cyrodiil are mainly Cathay. Many of these Khajiit disdain weapons in favor of their claws.
Unmatched by any other race in acrobatic ability and agility, Khajiit excel at stealth classes such as the Thief, Acrobat, or Monk.
You think bosmer would be able to jump like this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VBriRtl_aM
This will be an buff then taking keeps also in some dungeons for skipping mobs.
For sure there would be many threads telling them they need to nerf/Neuter the Kitties |:( But it would be amazing if they added true acrobatics in the game. I do miss that from Oblivion.Edited by Thevampirenight on January 17, 2019 1:04PMPC NA
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✭✭✭✭✭I disagree.
Khajiit are sneak thrives, good at sneaking around
Bosmer are hunters/stalkers good at finding prey
Leave those passives alone.
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Bosmer theft is a cultural competition more akin to being stuff to boast about. It’s used sometimes as a means to determine dominance, such as with the leader of that tribe that died by the Meat Mandate having his bow stolen and therefore was subservient to the one that took the bow.FrancisCrawford wrote: »
Bosmer theft is focused more on celebrating the skills of the person doing the stealing rather than on the materialistic acquisition of the object.
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✭You forget there are different kinds of Khajiit.
An Alfiq is a housecat in which, yes, they could probably fall from a 3 story building and land on their feet and be fine (like real life house cats can) but the Cathay are different, with a build more like a human than that of a cat. The difference is that Bosmer are born within the trees and their entire life is nature. Bosmer were born to be able to navigate the jungle while the Khajiits elements ranges from jungle to desert.
One last thing, Khajiits have learned to cut and use wood to build and not need to climb for shelter. Bosmer on the other hand....you can't even pick a flower without disrespecting the Green Pact so they have to climb and manipulate the trees to build shelter. They also relax and sleep in the trees as well. Khajiit do not...well....not the Cathay. Maybe Alfiq chill in the trees but probably need to call an emergency team to help get it back down.Edited by Kuramas9tails on January 17, 2019 7:12PMYour friendly neighborhood crazy cat lady of ESO
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✭I'm more worried about the 75 rec on Khajiit to be honest.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5735964/#Comment_5735964actually, I've put some numbers into the racials thread (and was corrected afterwards), and it seems that flat 75 regen is a buff to sustain as long as build stays under ~1.27k base regen (before percentage buffs), which would mean that most imaginable PvE khajiit stamina builds just got a slight sustain improvement.
That a good news then, thanks for the link
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✭✭✭✭✭Feline are predator, they hide and stay undetected by prey when they hunt.
The bonus stealth feet them perfectly well.
For the Lore, even if all Khajiit are not thiefs, they'r well know for that accros tamriel, that mean they'r a lot of them OR they'r good at.
They should have let them both this passive.
I'm more worried about the 75 rec on Khajiit to be honest.
Bosmer are known as thieves as well. (Rite of Theft, etc.)
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✭Feline are predator, they hide and stay undetected by prey when they hunt.
The bonus stealth feet them perfectly well.
For the Lore, even if all Khajiit are not thiefs, they'r well know for that accros tamriel, that mean they'r a lot of them OR they'r good at.
They should have let them both this passive.
I'm more worried about the 75 rec on Khajiit to be honest.
Bosmer are known as thieves as well. (Rite of Theft, etc.)
That why I said both of them should have keep this stealth bonus.[ PC EU ]
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✭✭✭✭✭Bosmer is ruined obviously. Before we can at least exploit those 21% recovery together with other bonuses to get 3k+ recovery.. i don't know how that formula work but now i have those 3k+ in tooltip with all buffs active.. now they remove stealth and they chop part of recovery, i expect 150-200 recovery decrease in result.
Those speed after roll-dodge is nice for disengaging, but this has so limited application..
Oh disease resistance and status immunity gone, nice, very nice nerf to race which was niche race for specific class for pvp and basically nothing more then RP in PVE. I don't know maybe they will nerf cutieness too somehow.2
