Thank you for destroying my playstyle

Datthaw · January 2019

I have played a heavy armor argonian magnb for a long time now. Over the last few patches with the nerfs to nb healing, damage, sustain, changes to mercy, etc etc. And now nerfing argonian healing along with it....

You have completely destroyed an entire playstyle for a class. I thought you wanted more diversity. These changes have been detrimental to my playstyle for a long time and now this is like the final nail in the coffin.

Ty zos, you don't know how to balance

Tasear · January 2019

How so?

Arguably argonian will be so called meta class still.

Undefwun · January 2019

because people don't look at the full picture...

They look... got their calculators out and figure with the proposed changes in the current iteration of the game they are X worse off or whatever on their favorite class/build... not looking at that in relation to other classes or any upcoming sets etc etc.

Basically ppl need to wait until PTS and see how everything actually performs..

Datthaw · January 2019

They nerfing the pot sustain and the passive healing?? I dont understand where the confusion is.

Datthaw · January 2019

I have already lost a ton of damage from the changes to magnb to compensate for the healing nerfs, I relied on the pot passive for more sustain so I could run lower regen and squeak out more damage. Now it might no longer be posible, plus another nerf to healing, even if small

Bloodystab · January 2019

Dont forget about taking away Poison effect resistance.

Undefwun · January 2019

pretty sure there is a RIP thread for almost every race now...

Ok you are sustaining less of the pots, but I see alot of complaints about other races having less max stat and regen.

So you might be healing less of your pots, but it seems that because others are sustaining less there will be less incoming damage because less ability spam. Even's out. Seems like a reasonable assumption

So unless it is actually tested can you say I am wrong?

I also have a pvp lizard magblade, so I will be having to look at my build too, when its actually affecting me.

Datthaw · January 2019

Undefwun wrote: »

because people don't look at the full picture...

They look... got their calculators out and figure with the proposed changes in the current iteration of the game they are X worse off or whatever on their favorite class/build... not looking at that in relation to other classes or any upcoming sets etc etc.

Basically ppl need to wait until PTS and see how everything actually performs..

Btw man if you actually read what I said, this has been getting nerfed over the last few patches, just the changes to nb have nerfed this playstyle. It's not like I'm one of those see one nerf and the sky is falling guys

Undefwun · January 2019

Datthaw wrote: »

Btw man if you actually read what I said, this has been getting nerfed over the last few patches, just the changes to nb have nerfed this playstyle. It's not like I'm one of those see one nerf and the sky is falling guys

Yeah losing minor vitality on swallow soul sucked... and extra cost on the bow proc.

I thought healing ward change was gonna kill magblade for me, but I adapted and I still have fun.

Datthaw · January 2019

Undefwun wrote: »

pretty sure there is a RIP thread for almost every race now...

Ok you are sustaining less of the pots, but I see alot of complaints about other races having less max stat and regen.

So you might be healing less of your pots, but it seems that because others are sustaining less there will be less incoming damage because less ability spam. Even's out. Seems like a reasonable assumption

So unless it is actually tested can you say I am wrong?

I also have a pvp lizard magblade, so I will be having to look at my build too, when its actually affecting me.

Lol if you play a lizard wizard I really dont understand why you disagree. How can you honestly say heavy magnb has not been hit hard over the last few patches?

Undefwun · January 2019

Datthaw wrote: »

Lol if you play a lizard wizard I really dont understand why you disagree. How can you honestly say heavy magnb has not been hit hard over the last few patches?

I been using the same 5 light build from before dragon bones.. with minor tweaks along the way of course (with JC and all that)...

And I was more responding to Taesar's question than you really. The forums are saltier than the Dead Sea right now with people that actually have zero idea how it will actually play out, until the PTS goes live... but are spamming forum with RIP this and RIP that... because of some number changes that we don't how they factor in yet.

Because the changes are not a a vacuum. There are other changes we don't know about. Why's that? BECAUSE THE PTS HASN'T GONE LIVE YET. People need to chill and see what is what when they can actually test...

Datthaw · January 2019

Undefwun wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Lol if you play a lizard wizard I really dont understand why you disagree. How can you honestly say heavy magnb has not been hit hard over the last few patches?

I been using the same 5 light build from before dragon bones.. with minor tweaks along the way of course (with JC and all that)...

And I was more responding to Taesar's question than you really. The forums are saltier than the Dead Sea right now with people that actually have zero idea how it will actually play out, until the PTS goes live... but are spamming forum with RIP this and RIP that... because of some number changes that we don't how they factor in yet.

Because the changes are not a a vacuum. There are other changes we don't know about. Why's that? BECAUSE THE PTS HASN'T GONE LIVE YET. People need to chill and see what is what when they can actually test...

Go throw on some heavy armor and try to find a play style that works for magnb. It used to be a very strong play style, now it's just.... meh.

As I said before I am not thinking about this in and vacuum. This playstyle has been nerfed repeatedly over the last few patches. This is just the latest kick to an already down playstyle.

Paulington · January 2019

I think it's unfair to call things "broken" and "ruined" before they are even tested. It's easy to jump to conclusions especially with how it will change things in relation to all the other classes/builds.

If nothing else, you can go on the PTS, discover it is underperforming, and submit some feedback.

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Undefwun · January 2019

Datthaw wrote: »

Go throw on some heavy armor and try to find a play style that works for magnb. It used to be a very strong play style, now it's just.... meh.

As I said before I am not thinking about this in and vacuum. This playstyle has been nerfed repeatedly over the last few patches. This is just the latest kick to an already down playstyle.

I tried heavy armor magblade at the end of '17. Didn't like it.

I will say I probably had a much lesser understanding of the game, but I never considered going back. Heavy metal armor and cloaking around didn't feel right to me.

All I was saying was in my reply to Taesar was, wait a week, have a crack at it in the PTS, then come and let ZOS know how you feel about the changes or change your title to "Thank you for potentially destroying my playstyle".

Instead the whole forum is flooded with QQ...

Datthaw · January 2019

Paulington wrote: »

I think it's unfair to call things "broken" and "ruined" before they are even tested. It's easy to jump to conclusions especially with how it will change things in relation to all the other classes/builds.

If nothing else, you can go on the PTS, discover it is underperforming, and submit some feedback. .

.......they have already nerfed this playstyle a few times...... I stated that in the op....how is the changes to healing and pot sustain on argonian anything but...another nerf....

This has been the slow moving destruction of a playstyle over a few patches. I'm not upset over just the argonian changes. If I still had minor vit from swallow soul, or path still gave a dot, or healng ward still had a base heal, I might not even care.

It's the cumulative nerfs over the last few patches that I'm upset about becasue I'm being forced into a light armor cloak abuse nb...
You know the kind of play style EVERYONE HATES AND CRIES ABOUT.

Datthaw · January 2019

Undefwun wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Go throw on some heavy armor and try to find a play style that works for magnb. It used to be a very strong play style, now it's just.... meh.

As I said before I am not thinking about this in and vacuum. This playstyle has been nerfed repeatedly over the last few patches. This is just the latest kick to an already down playstyle.

I tried heavy armor magblade at the end of '17. Didn't like it.

I will say I probably had a much lesser understanding of the game, but I never considered going back. Heavy metal armor and cloaking around didn't feel right to me.

All I was saying was in my reply to Taesar was, wait a week, have a crack at it in the PTS, then come and let ZOS know how you feel about the changes or change your title to "Thank you for potentially destroying my playstyle".

Instead the whole forum is flooded with QQ...

Lol you have a reading comprehension problem dont you?

Undefwun · January 2019

Datthaw wrote: »

Lol you have a reading comprehension problem dont you?

Usually pretty good, just spread thin across varies RIP threads and a couple discords, but I do think my point still stands.

Can you with 100% certainty say, just based on this preview of changes to racials, without testing it on the PTS along side any other potential and unknown changes that your chose play style is destroyed?

Either way good luck to you sir, I am out of this thread...

Datthaw · January 2019

Undefwun wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Lol you have a reading comprehension problem dont you?

Usually pretty good, just spread thin across varies RIP threads and a couple discords, but I do think my point still stands.

Can you with 100% certainty say, just based on this preview of changes to racials, without testing it on the PTS along side any other potential and unknown changes that your chose play style is destroyed?

Either way good luck to you sir, I am out of this thread...

I can say this, it sure as hell is not going to buff my play style

Seenoevil · January 2019

The racial changes are lowering the ceiling. And raising the floor. The more experienced people who know how to build characters benefit more from % value increases then flat value increases.

Popularity of % modifier sets will be more desirable and probably show to be to powerful, hircines vineer, willows path pops to mind instantly. Class passives with % modifiers will mostly make up for what you have lost in the racial.

Most builds will not feel the effect of these changes, but will help massively for the newer player.....newer less experienced players will have more damage and sustain, give them a little more of a fighting chance in cyrodil, these race changes are cyrodil focussed.

All you will feel is a slight decrease in damage and sustain, whereas those free ap kills in cyrodil will now take more effort then previous, wait for pts and then make judgment on if your playstyle has changed.

Tasear · January 2019

I think your issue isn't the race, but class. The changes while they are a reduction they are balanced in consideration of other races. I would instead start asking your class reps or zos devs to work on nightblade healers then.

Datthaw · January 2019

Tasear wrote: »

I think your issue isn't the race, but class. The changes while they are a reduction they are balanced in consideration of other races. I would instead start asking your class reps or zos devs to work on nightblade healers then.

Oh it's definitely class based but, now, they nerfing the healing and sustain again. I understand they trying g to keep in line wit other races but it's like the kick in the ribs for me when I'm already down

Datthaw · January 2019

As for as a pure magnb healer they actually in a decent spot tbh. I play a heavy armor brawling dps which is what took a hit. No matter how I build that play style i can't make it work anymore.

Sotha_Sil · January 2019

Argonian is IMMUNE TO DISEASE status effect. I mean guys... that's a huge freaking buff

Moonsorrow · January 2019

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Argonian is IMMUNE TO DISEASE status effect. I mean guys... that's a huge freaking buff

What buff? it already had that. It lost the Poison immunity and many other things, less sustain from potion passive, less healing, less hp if go for tank with high hp. So.. buffed you say?

It really is funny to me how people not see how most got huge nerfs on their races especially if do pvp and had a competitive setup with high regen as an example. Some keep saying it was buff, but racial % is added after flat numbers like Dubious drink.. so it was a big nerf to all races with % regen racials built for high sustain.

Enough trying to remind about facts.. people seem to wanna see all of it as a buff, and some can be, for pve setups with low sustain.. but for pvp: nerfed.

Datthaw · January 2019

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Argonian is IMMUNE TO DISEASE status effect. I mean guys... that's a huge freaking buff

Yeah but there are skills and sets that still apply minor defile, and immune to disease doesn't do anything to stop major defile which is rhe more common debuff.

Kadoin · January 2019

Eh, last patch NB had greater healing than templar did and so it got nerfed. Now in this current patch, DKs have better healing than templar... Quite funny how nerfing never seems to solve the problem, right?

Tommy_The_Gun · January 2019

Tasear wrote: »

How so?

Arguably argonian will be so called meta class still.

Nope, I disagree. Argonians took a serious nerf on 2 of their core racial passives. 3K less recovery in totall from recurcefull passive & 6% less healing (5% healing done + 5% healing recived = 10% vs just 4% healing done).
For PvP people will chose Redguard for stamina builds and Breton for magicka builds.
For PvE healers people wil chose breton and for PvE tank people will chose Redguard.

Those will be 2 new meta races only. Breton's 7% mag skill cost reduction takes the cake for magicka builds.
Redguard's 1K stam recovery every 5 sec on direct dmg also takes the cake (imho i gues it will be stronger even than current argonian passives as it does not require potion). Just throw a caltrops and there you go, you can perma-block.

SaintSubwayy · January 2019

Soo what should be dunmer mdks say?
Got overrolled by a giants nerfdzoer once again

Datthaw · January 2019

Lol I have no sympathy for magdks. They are extremely strong in pvp right now.

Datthaw · January 2019

Pve may be a different story, I gather dps magdKS in pve are hurting, but pvp they are performing extremely well

stewhead2ub17_ESO · January 2019

YW